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goitalone
Guest
It’s all in the Bible my friend, it wasn’t made up by SDA’s
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BobCatholic
Guest
Where does it say in the Bible the 7th day must be Saturday?
biblegateway.com/quicksearch/?quicksearch=saturday&qs_version=9
According to the above, nowhere.
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BobCatholic
Guest
So you’re saying that this interpretation of the Bible is in the Bible. Please post me the Bible verse that says the sabbath is Saturday.
No interpretations (traditions) please. Just Bible verses, as you claim.
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MarysRoses
Guest
You are right, the SDA church had NOTHING to do with putting that bible in your hands.
The Catholic Church however, had quite a lot to do with it.
It was the Catholic Church that brought a volume of selected writings (out of the hundreds possible) into existence and established a canon of scripture.
It was the Catholic Church that devoted tremendous time and resources over many centuries to copying and preserving the text.
It was the Catholic Church that provided a copy, laboriously hand copied and often even beautifully decorated, to all the parishes in the world. (Remember there was no printing press or easy transportation. Not even cheap and easily available paper, parchment takes enormous amounts of time and money to make.)
Bibles were sometimes chained to the lectionaries, but only because they were very valuable, not to ‘keep them away’ from the people. If the intent was to keep the bible out of people’s hands, it would have been much easier and saved a lot of money and time to simply not make them available.
Why are phone books chained to public phones? To keep phone books away from people? Of course not, it is so that everyone using the phone will have a book!
A bible or any other book of its size and workmanship was easily more than a years salary for a prosperous merchant. Bibles were scarce because of the available technology and the inability of most people to read. Millions of Catholic monks spent their entire lives copying scripture so that there would be bibles to read at mass. (If the Catholic Church was against scripture, why did she devote such a large portion of her resources to preserving and disseminating it?)
When Adventists approach people, they immediately take the position that the Bible and the Catholic Church cannot both be true. But the Bible is NOT contrary to Catholic belief.
Adventist INTERPRETATION of the bible (which after all is only a tradition of men that has been around less than 200 years) is contrary to Catholic belief.
MaryRoses
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goitalone
Guest
What day is the seventh day?
I think we all know its Saturday…just look up the word Saturday in these languages and see how it is spelled and pronounced…example, el sábado in Spansih or
sabato in Italian, sábado in Portuguese, Russian в субботу. Greek, Σάββατο
Genesis 2:2
By the seventh day God had finished the work He had been doing; so on the seventh day he rested from all his work.
Genesis 2:3
And God blessed the seventh day and made it holy, because on it he rested from all the work of creating that he had done.
Exodus 13:6
For seven days eat bread made without yeast and on the seventh day hold a festival to the LORD
Exodus 16:26
Six days you are to gather it, but on the seventh day, the Sabbath, there will not be any."
Exodus 16:29
Bear in mind that the LORD has given you the Sabbath; that is why on the sixth day he gives you bread for two days. Everyone is to stay where he is on the seventh day; no one is to go out."
Exodus 16:30
So the people rested on the seventh day.
Exodus 20:10
but the seventh day is a Sabbath to the LORD your God. On it you shall not do any work, neither you, nor your son or daughter, nor your manservant or maidservant, nor your animals, nor the alien within your gates.
Exodus 20:11
For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.
Exodus 31:15
For six days, work is to be done, but the seventh day is a Sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD. Whoever does any work on the Sabbath day must be put to death.
Exodus 31:17
It will be a sign between me and the Israelites forever, for in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, and on the seventh day he abstained from work and rested.’ "
Exodus 34:21
"Six days you shall labor, but on the seventh day you shall rest; even during the plowing season and harvest you must rest.
Exodus 35:2
For six days, work is to be done, but the seventh day shall be your holy day, a Sabbath of rest to the LORD. Whoever does any work on it must be put to death.
Leviticus 14:9
On the seventh day he must shave off all his hair; he must shave his head, his beard, his eyebrows and the rest of his hair. He must wash his clothes and bathe himself with water, and he will be clean.
Leviticus 23:3
The Sabbath ] " 'There are six days when you may work, but the seventh day is a Sabbath of rest, a day of sacred assembly. You are not to do any work; wherever you live, it is a Sabbath to the LORD.
Leviticus 23:8
For seven days present an offering made to the LORD by fire. And on the seventh day hold a sacred assembly and do no regular work.’ "
Numbers 28:25
On the seventh day hold a sacred assembly and do no regular work.
Deuteronomy 5:14
but the seventh day is a Sabbath to the LORD your God. On it you shall not do any work, neither you, nor your son or daughter, nor your manservant or maidservant, nor your ox, your donkey or any of your animals, nor the alien within your gates, so that your manservant and maidservant may rest, as you.
Deuteronomy 16:8
For six days eat unleavened bread and on the seventh day hold an assembly to the LORD your God and do no work.
Hebrews 4:4
And yet his work has been finished since the creation of the world. For somewhere he has spoken about the seventh day in these words: “And on the seventh day God rested from all his work.”
Can’t be much more plain than that.
I think we all know its Saturday…just look up the word Saturday in these languages and see how it is spelled and pronounced…example, el sábado in Spansih or
sabato in Italian, sábado in Portuguese, Russian в субботу. Greek, Σάββατο
Genesis 2:2
By the seventh day God had finished the work He had been doing; so on the seventh day he rested from all his work.
Genesis 2:3
And God blessed the seventh day and made it holy, because on it he rested from all the work of creating that he had done.
Exodus 13:6
For seven days eat bread made without yeast and on the seventh day hold a festival to the LORD
Exodus 16:26
Six days you are to gather it, but on the seventh day, the Sabbath, there will not be any."
Exodus 16:29
Bear in mind that the LORD has given you the Sabbath; that is why on the sixth day he gives you bread for two days. Everyone is to stay where he is on the seventh day; no one is to go out."
Exodus 16:30
So the people rested on the seventh day.
Exodus 20:10
but the seventh day is a Sabbath to the LORD your God. On it you shall not do any work, neither you, nor your son or daughter, nor your manservant or maidservant, nor your animals, nor the alien within your gates.
Exodus 20:11
For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.
Exodus 31:15
For six days, work is to be done, but the seventh day is a Sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD. Whoever does any work on the Sabbath day must be put to death.
Exodus 31:17
It will be a sign between me and the Israelites forever, for in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, and on the seventh day he abstained from work and rested.’ "
Exodus 34:21
"Six days you shall labor, but on the seventh day you shall rest; even during the plowing season and harvest you must rest.
Exodus 35:2
For six days, work is to be done, but the seventh day shall be your holy day, a Sabbath of rest to the LORD. Whoever does any work on it must be put to death.
Leviticus 14:9
On the seventh day he must shave off all his hair; he must shave his head, his beard, his eyebrows and the rest of his hair. He must wash his clothes and bathe himself with water, and he will be clean.
Leviticus 23:3
The Sabbath ] " 'There are six days when you may work, but the seventh day is a Sabbath of rest, a day of sacred assembly. You are not to do any work; wherever you live, it is a Sabbath to the LORD.
Leviticus 23:8
For seven days present an offering made to the LORD by fire. And on the seventh day hold a sacred assembly and do no regular work.’ "
Numbers 28:25
On the seventh day hold a sacred assembly and do no regular work.
Deuteronomy 5:14
but the seventh day is a Sabbath to the LORD your God. On it you shall not do any work, neither you, nor your son or daughter, nor your manservant or maidservant, nor your ox, your donkey or any of your animals, nor the alien within your gates, so that your manservant and maidservant may rest, as you.
Deuteronomy 16:8
For six days eat unleavened bread and on the seventh day hold an assembly to the LORD your God and do no work.
Hebrews 4:4
And yet his work has been finished since the creation of the world. For somewhere he has spoken about the seventh day in these words: “And on the seventh day God rested from all his work.”
Can’t be much more plain than that.
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BobCatholic
Guest
Amen.
Adventist interpretation of scripture is not the Apostolic interpretation of scripture. If this interpretation was, Christians, during the 2,000+ years of Christian history, would have held to this. You could find historic writings in all of the twenty centuries. After all, Truth doesn’t change. So the Holy Spirit would have guided all the Christians throughout the centuries to this interpretation, and he can show us Christian writings from throughout Christian history showing this interpretation.
But he hasn’t done it yet. So we wait and see what proof he has
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BobCatholic
Guest
I was searching the English version. It should have said “Saturday”.
Saying “we know it is Saturday” doesn’t make that a Biblical doctrine. Are you counting on the philosophy of men (reasoning) or scripture for this statement? If scripture, then show me the verse that says 7th day = Saturday.
Yup.
They all mention a seventh day, which is nice and all, but not one of these verses say “seventh day” is “Saturday”
You’ve interpreted (using your tradition and not scripture) those verses to say that “Seventh day” is saturday.
Please show me the Bible verse that says the Seventh Day must be Saturday - that we must start counting the days from Sunday to end up with the 7th day as Saturday & Sabbath. You can’t find that in the Bible for the modern calendar is an invention of Pope Gregory (see wikipedia about the Gregorian Calendar!)
I asked you for scripture, and not your tradition. You’ve given me scripture, that says 7th day. But now show me the scripture that says the 7th day must be Saturday and no other day. Christians who go to worship every Sunday are going every 7th day (they’re just counting Monday as the first day of the week)
You can’t do it. This is because this is based on an interpretation of scripture (tradition), and not scripture. So you must now prove that the Apostles held to this tradition (2 Thess 2:15, Galatians 1:9) or else you’re preaching to us another Gospel.
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goitalone
Guest
Also…
biblelight.net/st-cath.htm
Perhaps the boldest thing, the most revolutionary change the Church ever did, happened in the first century. The holy day, the Sabbath, was changed from Saturday to Sunday. “The Day of the Lord” (dies Dominica) was chosen, not from any directions noted in the Scriptures, but from the Church’s sense of its own power. The day of resurrection, the day of Pentecost, fifty days later, came on the first day of the week. So this would be the new Sabbath. People who think that the Scriptures should be the sole authority, should logically become 7th Day Adventists, and keep Saturday holy.
Source: Sentinel, Pastor’s Page (Fr. Leo Broderick), Saint Catherine Catholic Church, Algonac, Michigan, May 21, 1995.
biblelight.net/st-cath.htm
Perhaps the boldest thing, the most revolutionary change the Church ever did, happened in the first century. The holy day, the Sabbath, was changed from Saturday to Sunday. “The Day of the Lord” (dies Dominica) was chosen, not from any directions noted in the Scriptures, but from the Church’s sense of its own power. The day of resurrection, the day of Pentecost, fifty days later, came on the first day of the week. So this would be the new Sabbath. People who think that the Scriptures should be the sole authority, should logically become 7th Day Adventists, and keep Saturday holy.
Source: Sentinel, Pastor’s Page (Fr. Leo Broderick), Saint Catherine Catholic Church, Algonac, Michigan, May 21, 1995.
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MarysRoses
Guest
The Church Jesus founded has his law in their hearts, not on stone tablets.
The Church Jesus founded has Jesus himself in the Blessed Sacrament. While your comment sounds impressive, it overlooks the New Covenant and the New Testament.
MarysRoses
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BobCatholic
Guest
I asked you for Bible verses that showed that the Sabbath was Saturday. You posted none.
Instead you post links to this website, of this one pastor whose magisterial authority you accept (in violation of “Bible only” theology)
So, if the holy day was changed, you’ll have to first show me in the Bible that the holy day was originally Saturday.
Then you must find the people in the Catholic Church who made this change. If it was a Pope, there will be a written Papal Bull somewhere authorizing this change. If it was an ecumenical council, same thing.
Oh, and the priest who wrote that article was in error. We don’t believe in priestly infallibility, do you?
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LRThunder
Guest
Even if assuming Saturday is the Sabbath, are you holding to the Levitical laws in Leviticus as well? Is there a high priest in SDA who is the only one who can offer sacrifices to God? I guess the Church’s sense of its own power changed that as well.
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MarysRoses
Guest
Yes, the Jewish people now keep their sabbath on saturday. But does the commandment require that it be saturday?
The hebrew word for ‘seventh’ is an ordinal number. Like first, fifth, tenth. It does not designate a specific day by name. It identifies a day that follows six others. It does not identify a starting point.
Adventists teach that Christians must observe a SATURDAY sabbath as a day of worship, to reject that saturday sabbath is to reject God and be lost.
(cont…)
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goitalone
Guest
I just gave you scripture and if you cannot see it then what else is there left to tell?
God say’s he blessed ONE day, the seventh day and where in the Bible does it have ANY English days of the week?
Nowhere, because the english language didn’t exsist then. So the Lord used the numders of the days.
God say’s he blessed ONE day, the seventh day and where in the Bible does it have ANY English days of the week?
Nowhere, because the english language didn’t exsist then. So the Lord used the numders of the days.
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MarysRoses
Guest
(cont. from previous post)
f God intended we keep a specific day of the week as the sabbath, and it was so important that to worship on the wrong day would cost us our salvation, don’t you think He not only would have been explicit in His direction to do so, (there is NO explicit command for Christians to keep sabbath in the NT), but also have made it easy to identify which day was the sabbath?
The idea that the ‘seventh-day’ is culturally dependent is right on the money. This is easily demonstrated by looking at the international date line. The date line is an entirely man made artifact, arbitrary and of entirely human invention.
Why does this matter? When Adventists are rushing around on Samoa on Friday evening, finishing their work for the week and preparing to begin their sabbath, at the very same time, watching the same setting sun, Adventists on Fiji, Tonga and New Zealand are watching Saturday evening pass away, and with it their sabbath. Whether its Friday or Saturday, depends on where you live in relation to the dateline. The sun sets in Tonga only a few minutes after Samoa, but becuase of the dateline, its an entirely different day.
worldatlas.com/aatlas/infopage/dateline.htm
Adventists on Hawaii and Kiribati (another South Pacific Island) have an even stranger problem. Kiribati, by an act of their government, moved the dateline so that all the islands in their country would be on the same side, and have the same dates.
Kiribati is south of Hawaii, would be in the same time zone, except for the date. So, on Saturday, while Adventists are going to church in Hawaii, Christians in Kiribati are going to Church at the very same time, on SUNDAY! Adventists in Kiribati would be going around doing their secular work and recreation on Sunday, while its Sabbath in Hawaii.
Who’s keeping the ‘real’ sabbath? How can we know?
Where does the biblical sabbath begin in relation to the dateline?
Does it seem reasonable that Kiribati can ‘change’ the sabbath by moving the dateline by a simple act of parlaiment without any protest from Adventists?
I’ve asked these questions of Adventists, the best answers i’ve gotten are 'we keep sabbath where we are" , " You do the best you can in figuring out which day is right".
Neither answer addresses the fact they allow a secular, man made abstraction to dictate which day they will observe as sabbath.
Adventists in the far north have difficulties in determining when sunset is and when sabbath begins. As ‘sunset’ can occur so early in the winter as to interfere with school and work, one local northern SDA conference has seriously discussed returning to an earlier decision to observe ‘sunset’ at 6 p.m. year round. Early adventists did similar until switching to actual sunset several years afterward.
(cont.)
f God intended we keep a specific day of the week as the sabbath, and it was so important that to worship on the wrong day would cost us our salvation, don’t you think He not only would have been explicit in His direction to do so, (there is NO explicit command for Christians to keep sabbath in the NT), but also have made it easy to identify which day was the sabbath?
The idea that the ‘seventh-day’ is culturally dependent is right on the money. This is easily demonstrated by looking at the international date line. The date line is an entirely man made artifact, arbitrary and of entirely human invention.
Why does this matter? When Adventists are rushing around on Samoa on Friday evening, finishing their work for the week and preparing to begin their sabbath, at the very same time, watching the same setting sun, Adventists on Fiji, Tonga and New Zealand are watching Saturday evening pass away, and with it their sabbath. Whether its Friday or Saturday, depends on where you live in relation to the dateline. The sun sets in Tonga only a few minutes after Samoa, but becuase of the dateline, its an entirely different day.
worldatlas.com/aatlas/infopage/dateline.htm
Adventists on Hawaii and Kiribati (another South Pacific Island) have an even stranger problem. Kiribati, by an act of their government, moved the dateline so that all the islands in their country would be on the same side, and have the same dates.
Kiribati is south of Hawaii, would be in the same time zone, except for the date. So, on Saturday, while Adventists are going to church in Hawaii, Christians in Kiribati are going to Church at the very same time, on SUNDAY! Adventists in Kiribati would be going around doing their secular work and recreation on Sunday, while its Sabbath in Hawaii.
Who’s keeping the ‘real’ sabbath? How can we know?
Where does the biblical sabbath begin in relation to the dateline?
Does it seem reasonable that Kiribati can ‘change’ the sabbath by moving the dateline by a simple act of parlaiment without any protest from Adventists?
I’ve asked these questions of Adventists, the best answers i’ve gotten are 'we keep sabbath where we are" , " You do the best you can in figuring out which day is right".
Neither answer addresses the fact they allow a secular, man made abstraction to dictate which day they will observe as sabbath.
Adventists in the far north have difficulties in determining when sunset is and when sabbath begins. As ‘sunset’ can occur so early in the winter as to interfere with school and work, one local northern SDA conference has seriously discussed returning to an earlier decision to observe ‘sunset’ at 6 p.m. year round. Early adventists did similar until switching to actual sunset several years afterward.
(cont.)
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MarysRoses
Guest
Cont. from previous post)
So…
Does sabbath begin at sundown, a specific time of day, or later in the evening? One jewish commentary identifies the time as when three stars are visible. That would be later than the ‘sunset’ Adventists typically use. Should that even be a factor, should sabbath be when Jerusalem experiences it, no matter where you are?
Adventists accept the day as beginning at the international date line. Adventists in Austrailia and China observe sabbath even before the middle east does.
The biblical commandment says ‘seventh day’. This term is not a proper noun,and it is not the name of a day. Its a designation for any day that follows a group of six. The grammar is the same as describing the ‘seventh apple’ or the ‘seventh house on the right’
‘seventh’ is determined by where someone would start counting, not an inherent quality of the item described.
There is nothing wrong if a person wants to observe a sabbath on Saturday, that is a personal decision. Where I disagree with Adventists is their insistence that other Christians MUST keep sabbath and make it an issue on which their salvation will be determined, if not now then in the future at some time.
Yes, this IS a matter of salvation to Adventists, regardless of what they often tell new members:
adventist.org/beliefs/fundamental/index.html
St. Paul clearly said differently: ( Colossians 2:16-17)
16
Let no one, then, pass judgment on you in matters of food and drink or with regard to a festival or new moon or sabbath. 8
17
These are shadows of things to come; the reality belongs to Christ.
and in Romans 14:
4
Who are you to pass judgment on someone else’s servant? Before his own master he stands or falls. And he will be upheld, for the Lord is able to make him stand.
5
(For) one person considers one day more important than another, while another person considers all days alike. Let everyone be fully persuaded in his own mind. 2
6
Whoever observes the day, observes it for the Lord. Also whoever eats, eats for the Lord, since he gives thanks to God; while whoever abstains, abstains for the Lord and gives thanks to God.
As Christians, we are free of the old law and its observances. Our sabbath rest is in Christ, not in a day of the week. Sunday is not the sabbath on another day, as Adventists claim.
(Hebrews Chapter 4)
9
Therefore, a sabbath rest still remains for the people of God.
10
And whoever enters into God’s rest, rests from his own works as God did from his.
11
Therefore, let us strive to enter into that rest, so that no one may fall after the same example of disobedience.
12
Indeed, the word of God is living and effective, sharper than any two-edged sword, penetrating even between soul and spirit, joints and marrow, and able to discern reflections and thoughts of the heart.
Remember that the ‘Word’ of God is Jesus, not a book
and from the Catechism:
usccb.org/catechism/text/…2chpt1art3.htm
“2175
Sunday is expressly distinguished from the sabbath which it follows chronologically every week; for Christians its ceremonial observance replaces that of the sabbath. In Christ’s Passover, Sunday fulfills the spiritual truth of the Jewish sabbath and announces man’s eternal rest in God. For worship under the Law prepared for the mystery of Christ, and what was done there prefigured some aspects of Christ:107”
As Catholic Christians, we gather to celebrate the Eucharist on Sunday, as the FIRST day, celebrating the resurrection of Jesus, and as the EIGHTH day, as it surpasses the old sabbath which was a memorial of the old creation, and becomes the memorial of the NEW Creation in Christ.
usccb.org/catechism/text/…2chpt1art3.htm
"2174
Jesus rose from the dead "on the first day of the week.“104 Because it is the “first day,” the day of Christ’s Resurrection recalls the first creation. Because it is the “eighth day” following the sabbath,105 it symbolizes the new creation ushered in by Christ’s Resurrection. For Christians it has become the first of all days, the first of all feasts, the Lord’s Day (he kuriake hemera, dies dominica)—Sunday”
MarysRoses
So…
Does sabbath begin at sundown, a specific time of day, or later in the evening? One jewish commentary identifies the time as when three stars are visible. That would be later than the ‘sunset’ Adventists typically use. Should that even be a factor, should sabbath be when Jerusalem experiences it, no matter where you are?
Adventists accept the day as beginning at the international date line. Adventists in Austrailia and China observe sabbath even before the middle east does.
The biblical commandment says ‘seventh day’. This term is not a proper noun,and it is not the name of a day. Its a designation for any day that follows a group of six. The grammar is the same as describing the ‘seventh apple’ or the ‘seventh house on the right’
‘seventh’ is determined by where someone would start counting, not an inherent quality of the item described.
There is nothing wrong if a person wants to observe a sabbath on Saturday, that is a personal decision. Where I disagree with Adventists is their insistence that other Christians MUST keep sabbath and make it an issue on which their salvation will be determined, if not now then in the future at some time.
Yes, this IS a matter of salvation to Adventists, regardless of what they often tell new members:
adventist.org/beliefs/fundamental/index.html
St. Paul clearly said differently: ( Colossians 2:16-17)
16
Let no one, then, pass judgment on you in matters of food and drink or with regard to a festival or new moon or sabbath. 8
17
These are shadows of things to come; the reality belongs to Christ.
and in Romans 14:
4
Who are you to pass judgment on someone else’s servant? Before his own master he stands or falls. And he will be upheld, for the Lord is able to make him stand.
5
(For) one person considers one day more important than another, while another person considers all days alike. Let everyone be fully persuaded in his own mind. 2
6
Whoever observes the day, observes it for the Lord. Also whoever eats, eats for the Lord, since he gives thanks to God; while whoever abstains, abstains for the Lord and gives thanks to God.
As Christians, we are free of the old law and its observances. Our sabbath rest is in Christ, not in a day of the week. Sunday is not the sabbath on another day, as Adventists claim.
(Hebrews Chapter 4)
9
Therefore, a sabbath rest still remains for the people of God.
10
And whoever enters into God’s rest, rests from his own works as God did from his.
11
Therefore, let us strive to enter into that rest, so that no one may fall after the same example of disobedience.
12
Indeed, the word of God is living and effective, sharper than any two-edged sword, penetrating even between soul and spirit, joints and marrow, and able to discern reflections and thoughts of the heart.
Remember that the ‘Word’ of God is Jesus, not a book
and from the Catechism:
usccb.org/catechism/text/…2chpt1art3.htm
“2175
Sunday is expressly distinguished from the sabbath which it follows chronologically every week; for Christians its ceremonial observance replaces that of the sabbath. In Christ’s Passover, Sunday fulfills the spiritual truth of the Jewish sabbath and announces man’s eternal rest in God. For worship under the Law prepared for the mystery of Christ, and what was done there prefigured some aspects of Christ:107”
As Catholic Christians, we gather to celebrate the Eucharist on Sunday, as the FIRST day, celebrating the resurrection of Jesus, and as the EIGHTH day, as it surpasses the old sabbath which was a memorial of the old creation, and becomes the memorial of the NEW Creation in Christ.
usccb.org/catechism/text/…2chpt1art3.htm
"2174
Jesus rose from the dead "on the first day of the week.“104 Because it is the “first day,” the day of Christ’s Resurrection recalls the first creation. Because it is the “eighth day” following the sabbath,105 it symbolizes the new creation ushered in by Christ’s Resurrection. For Christians it has become the first of all days, the first of all feasts, the Lord’s Day (he kuriake hemera, dies dominica)—Sunday”
MarysRoses
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BobCatholic
Guest
Right. God blessed the SEVENTH DAY. But nowhere does it say this seventh day must be Saturday in the Bible. This is based 100% on your interpretation of those verses. This is based 100% on your TRADITION not SCRIPTURE.
Violation of sola scriptura
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BobCatholic
Guest
Good point MarysRoses.
It doesn’t say anything on what day of the week it is supposed to be. Scripture is silent on this issue!
So, what we need to do is to see how the Apostles interpreted those verses.
So, goitalone, show me how the Apostles interpreted those verses you posted. Show me their interpretation. It is obviously not in the Bible, so it must be someplace else.
Or do you expect us to accept your interpretation of scripture (tradition) on blind faith with no proof whatsoever? I don’t think that is the correct thing to do. We must hold to the Apostles interpretation of scripture, not yours.
Otherwise, Galatians 1:9 comes into play. Follow 2 Thess 2:15.
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BobCatholic
Guest
goitalone
You have an interpretation of scripture. Please prove to us that your interpretation of scripture is identical to that of Jesus and the Twelve Apostles. If this interpretation is written in the Bible, please show it to us. If it is not, please show us secondary proof. Perhaps a reliable witness testified in the early centuries they heard the Apostles preach this doctrine. I’m sure history must be able to back this up, right? If this interpretation was true, Christians, during the 2,000+ years of Christian history, would have held to this. You could find historic writings in all of the twenty centuries. After all, Truth doesn’t change. So the Holy Spirit would have guided all the Christians throughout the centuries to this interpretation, and you can show me Christian writings from throughout Christian history showing this interpretation.
Remember, the Holy Spirit will also give you the correct words to use, remember? Don’t give up yet. Just do it
Now, if you don’t have this kind of proof, this must mean that either 1) This interpretation cannot be from the Holy Spirit because He would have taught it throughout Christian history or 2) you’re expecting us to accept your magisterial authority on blind faith or 3) you didn’t do your homework and accepted someone else’s interpretation on blind faith or
4) You believe that the Holy Spirit guided the Twelve Apostles into the Truth, and He stopped doing so until He came around to you and then started again.
You have an interpretation of scripture. Please prove to us that your interpretation of scripture is identical to that of Jesus and the Twelve Apostles. If this interpretation is written in the Bible, please show it to us. If it is not, please show us secondary proof. Perhaps a reliable witness testified in the early centuries they heard the Apostles preach this doctrine. I’m sure history must be able to back this up, right? If this interpretation was true, Christians, during the 2,000+ years of Christian history, would have held to this. You could find historic writings in all of the twenty centuries. After all, Truth doesn’t change. So the Holy Spirit would have guided all the Christians throughout the centuries to this interpretation, and you can show me Christian writings from throughout Christian history showing this interpretation.
Remember, the Holy Spirit will also give you the correct words to use, remember? Don’t give up yet. Just do it
Now, if you don’t have this kind of proof, this must mean that either 1) This interpretation cannot be from the Holy Spirit because He would have taught it throughout Christian history or 2) you’re expecting us to accept your magisterial authority on blind faith or 3) you didn’t do your homework and accepted someone else’s interpretation on blind faith or
4) You believe that the Holy Spirit guided the Twelve Apostles into the Truth, and He stopped doing so until He came around to you and then started again.
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goitalone
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Ok, since you insist on spamming me with pervious posted I shall do the same to make my point quicker as well. But with audio.
amazingfacts.org/resources/Audio/BALQALib/1227sgal410.asx
amazingfacts.org/resources/Audio/BALQALib/1227day.asx
…are two good ones!
Hope you have speakers installed
amazingfacts.org/resources/Audio/BALQALib/1227sgal410.asx
amazingfacts.org/resources/Audio/BALQALib/1227day.asx
…are two good ones!
Hope you have speakers installed
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goitalone
Guest
Also this one I think could help alot.
amazingfacts.org/resources/Audio/BALQALib/010404_confused_Sabbath.asx
amazingfacts.org/resources/Audio/BALQALib/010404_confused_Sabbath.asx
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