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How could you post so much and say so little? Consider my question, it wasn’t ‘are there angry and frustrated vets?’ It was, how exactly would alterations in combat engagment alter the outcome?This book review mentions the restrictive nature of the Rules of Engagement but has some other interesting things about the Tet Offensive:
I can’t help but wonder if you are actually reading all you are posting, are you really arguing that we lost because of an insufficent amount of indiscriminate killing in the middle of a civil war?
Even as a hypothesis, it seems pretty silly to me. Consider Iraq and Afghanistan. The current administration has, quite literally, abandoned the constaints of not only the military field manuals and codes of conduct, but even the Geneva Conventions. From a Catholic perspective, the ramifations are clear, systemic torture of detainees and the indiscrimate killing of civilians renders a conflict unjust, regardless of rather the critera in CCC2309 are met or not (CCC 2313, etc. are not conditional and not per the judgement of individual authority, on this even Weigel agrees).
But how about from a strategic perspective? Both the military and the state department agree that such tactics have served as an important recruitment factor for all the insurgent factions, including Islamic Extremists. It has also created an environment where the primary strategic goal of the wars primary proponents - namely permanent US military presence, is unpallatable to the general population.
So we have a situation where you are claiming that if we had only been able the “shoot first and act questions later” we would have “won” Vietnam, but we have a situation today where it is perfectly acceptable to beat a middle aged man to death in a sleeping bag, or torture/crucify someone in response the scarcest of hearsay evidence without repurcussion - to no avail.
That would seem to suggest that the primary problem is not that we do not foresake Christ enough in our conduct, but that too many people are incapable of learning from dire mistakes as long as they, themselves, are not the ones getting burned by the stove.
In that light, it is no surprise that the same folks who cannot win a war, even when they take the country to the :“dark side” (Cheney’s own words) with regards to torture homicide were all, themselves, a bunch of chickenhawks during Vietnam. As I’ve said before, the gutless always have grand ideas about other people’s blood and treasure.