Views on Mormonism?

[truthsave]

Maybe LDS member feel someway ashamed directly answering to this question to people that they know will ridiculize them from their answer.
I can answer from my wife family side. My wife is ex-mormon but her family are LDS mormons.
If they follow LDS programe and doctrine and temple activity and marriage and follow the traditional God commandements and the “revealed” new by Joseph Smith commandements that they consider from God, they will become Christ like (this one I have learned here when LDS twist things around not to give a straight answer) and yes they will become gods and will populate other planet.
In my wife’s family one of her sister is the best candidate with her husband since they are considered to follow all these things.

If you are LDS and you follow all this things the Lord cannot deny you to become another god (a lesser god, a god of another planet not of a universe, I guess…), since by their work they bound the Lord that cannot go against His promise.

If it is not like that please an LDS may clarify the point or points where I am wrong.
But when you are LDS and you talk to another LDS saying what I have just said, nobody will tell you, you are wrong.

I have assisted to different talk with my wife’s family and learnt also that her mother even though she does everything and follow everything she has to from LDS doctrine, she unfortunately will never become a god since her husband left her.
From what I remember she would become a serving angel of who became a god, like her daugheter and her husband, of course if they will keep up with their promises till the end.

 

[Naf623]

Aww, come on: join in

" The truth is the truth even if no one believes it, and a lie is a lie,even if everyone believes it. "

Very true. However confusing, counter-intuitive, distasteful, unusual, or however little evidence is available, something that is true, is true regardless.

As a favor to a fellow Catholic, could you not use “Joe Smith”? Mormons typcally find that very offensive and I would hate to be intentionally offensive to Brother Parker, et al

Not only that, how would you feel if we chose to disparage the real presence, your pope etc.etc.etc.?
No different,

So according to Mormon theology, is Jesus now a god, or has he not progressed to godhood yet? Since Jesus is not Mormon, did the Mormons have to perform a baptism for the dead on behalf of Jesus?

Jesus was a God when He assisted His (our) Father in the creation. It is clear in the Genesis account “let us make man in our image, after our likeness” that more than one being was involved: God the Father, and Jesus Christ.
Mormon is only your nickname for us; we are The Church of Jesus Christ, and being His church, His baptism was already performed by the same priesthood authority as we hold, and in the correct manner (naturally).

Will LDS members one day become a GOD?

The quote you refer to says “as God is, man may become”. Further information is not, and has never been, provided to clarify exactly what this is intended to mean.
There are a number of possibilities: (and I don’t mean this to be exhaustive(
In The Garden of Eden, Satan told Eve a partial truth: “ye shall be as Gods, knowing good from evil”. In this respect, we are already coming to be “as God is”, because we have in us an understanding and power to discern between good and evil.
Prior to our mortal birth, we existed as spirits in heaven with God, however God has a physical, tangible body; something we desired to attain ourselves. The fact that we are here on earth means that we will one day die and be ressurection, and so will keep our physical body (in a perfected state), and in that respect be “as God is”
After we die, should we get to heaven, we will continue to have the ability to learn and grow; possibly this is a reference to the fact that across the course of eternity we may one day be able to learn everything God knows, and thus be “as God is” in that respect.
God has many different attributes, and which one(s) this quote refers to is not entirely certain. Many LDS members do interpret it to mean that one day we may have spirit children of our own and will have the opportunity to do as God has done for us; create worlds and bodies for them to experience just as we have. Our doctrines, however, simply teach that families last forever, and all those who live according to the covenants they have made, will be able to live through the eternity still together with their family.

 

[KathleenGee]

‘Let us make someone in our image’…at one time, the Jews, like others, believed in multiple gods.

Abraham, who believed in the One, True God is the father of Israel.

So believing in multiple gods was the fruit of choosing the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil, vs the Tree of Life, the only tree named among the trees the First Couple were allowed to eat…so that one could become like the gods…

And so then man creates gods in his image.

 

[KathleenGee]

Mormonism began with Joseph Smith in the 1800’s in early America.

Christianity began with Jesus Christ, His apostles, and followers, Pentecost.

No Jew has ever believed they were a spirit in a prior life.

 

[truthsave]

. Our doctrines, however, simply teach that families last forever, and all those who live according to the covenants they have made, will be able to live through the eternity still together with their family.

Only that?
My wife’s family are all liers then and my wife after 24 years of being an LDS is a stupid.

You always says your doctrine teaches…so all the things of becoming gods and populating other planets is invented by anti-mormons. OK.

So your official answer is LDS will never become gods that will populate other planets with their epouses.

 

[truthsave]

A question to Naf623, of course if you know it.

You know what is LDS explication for Genesis 6:2 ?

The divine beings saw how beautiful these human women were, so they married the ones they chose.

Who are the divine beings? Since their being is clearly differentiated from human women.

This is really just for curiosity since LDS have a completely different explications of writings I would like to know their point of view about it

 

[Miriam1947]

A question to Naf623, of course if you know it.

You know what is LDS explication for Genesis 6:2 ?

The divine beings saw how beautiful these human women were, so they married the ones they chose.

Who are the divine beings? Since their being is clearly differentiated from human women.

This is really just for curiosity since LDS have a completely different explications of writings I would like to know their point of view about it

This is a better version, I think.

[BIBLEDRB]Genesis 6:2-4[/BIBLEDRB]

 

[hosemonkey]

If the LDS temple ceremonies are modeled on the Masonic temple ceremonies, as I’ve heard many times, that seems ironic. Don’t the Masonic ceremonies really mean to make fun of religious rites with exaggeration and irreverence?

While mormon temple ceremonies are plagarized nearly word for word from Freemasonry, masonic rituals are not intended to mock religion or disparage Christianity. They are, in fact, quite reverent and dignified. Having said that, they are not intended to be religious in nature, as are the mormon imitations.

 

[hosemonkey]

**Jesus was a God **

So, what you are truly saying is that only **some **mormons believe that they will become Gods? Is there a pro-God faction and an anti-God faction? Or is each mormon free to free-lance on the “god” question? Is “godhood” an official mormon doctrine, or not? I am anxiously awaiting your answer.

 

[bz5]

While mormon temple ceremonies are plagarized nearly word for word from Freemasonry, masonic rituals are not intended to mock religion or disparage Christianity. They are, in fact, quite reverent and dignified. Having said that, they are not intended to be religious in nature, as are the mormon imitations.

Not to argue, but because you might find it interesting: I have, since the last post, found the reference I’d been thinking of (from the book Inside Mormonism) “Freemasonry originated in the eighteenth-century Enlightenment as a men’s club that mocked established religion and jokingly claimed an ancient, secret heritage for itself. Later Masons often took these claims at face value, and Smith, as a man purveying his own allegedly ancient secrets, bought into the idea of Masonry as an authentic transmitter of ancient ritual.”

 

[LatterDayLady]

Aww, come on: join in

You’re too funny! Sorry, but last time I de-lurked I was chased off the playground! :whacky:

 

[KathleenGee]

TexanKnight…

Yes, what you experienced were the same testimonies by former Mormons…

Damage Control.

In the story of Genesis…another context can be taken as well…After God has created most of the world, He sees that it is good, and says to them, engaging in them in praise of His creation…‘Let us make man…’

There is an incredible blindness to what is growing in the Garden…In the Garden of Eden, there are many trees from which Adam and Eve can eat, including the Tree of Life.

Instead, through the deceit of the devil, – even though God told them NOT to eat of the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil, they prefer to eat the one tempted to eat by Satan, and forego the fruit of the Tree of Life…so they can become as gods.

Jesus is the Tree of Life. His fruit is that of His very person…His Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity…our nourishment…that brings us Eternal Life.

Either you wish to make yourself a god or you chose to eat of the Eucharist, prefigured in the Manna from Heaven in Exodus.

 

[KathleenGee]

Parker, I made a lapse in not stating that prior to the Levites, that yes, indeed the first born sons were made priests, we recalling that as memorial when the Jews were in enslaved in Egypt.

In our Church, a priest of Christ is forever…serving at the altar the Perpetual Sacrifice – that Melchizedek, most possibly Shem, the son of Abraham…first fruit – meaning chosen by Christ in spirit and truth…and providing the fruits of the Tree of Life, Christ’s Eucharist. The Catholic priest is well aware that Christ has chosen him, and he is not worthy.

The Levite priesthood could not serve without the altar in the Temple. Thus when the temple was destroyed, the Jewish priesthood was suspended. (There is alleged work right now in restoring the Jewish Temple and the priesthood…my pastor said that when that should happen…).

How I view Mormonism’s priest in actuality is more as patriarchal, spirit - filled as head of family, praying spiritually, and serving as healer, overseeing his genealogy.

 

[soren1]

Soren1 was correct in his (or her) explanation, and I tremendously appreciate his (or her) sensitivity to the topic he (or she) sensitively addressed. (I think I know the gender, but just in case I supposed I needed to add the other possibility.)

I’m a guy. In fact, I am the same Soren you will find on this webpage.

 

[soren1]

No sir, Parker is wrong. There is no need for that Priesthood NOW. Nor is there any Biblical reference to support that any of the OT Prophets held that Priesthood.

I challenge you to show me where Samuel, Isaiah, Jeremiah, Elijah, Elisha, etc held that title.

Thank you in advance.

In His Grip

Oh, I am not defending Parker on the whole LDS theoology of the priesthood! By no menas! I was responding only to your one post where, unless I misunderstood, you were denying the historical distinction of two orders of priesthood. If that is what you meant, you are wrong. If you meant something else, then my post missed the point.

I actually think the account I gave of the two priesthoods, of the Levites and of the firstborn, poses far more problems for Mormonism when deeply understood than support for it, although I chose not to get into my reasons for thinking so. Yet on the more elemental question of whether there are two distinct orders of priest, one higher and one lower, then I have no quarrel with the Mormons on that single point.

 

[hosemonkey]

Not to argue, but because you might find it interesting: I have, since the last post, found the reference I’d been thinking of (from the book Inside Mormonism) “Freemasonry originated in the eighteenth-century Enlightenment as a men’s club that mocked established religion and jokingly claimed an ancient, secret heritage for itself. Later Masons often took these claims at face value, and Smith, as a man purveying his own allegedly ancient secrets, bought into the idea of Masonry as an authentic transmitter of ancient ritual.”

You are quite correct. “Operative” Freemasonry goes back to the Cathedral builders. “Speculative” Freemasonry only dates to the 18th century, begun by mainly wealthy men who were fascinated by ritual and a spirit of rebellion against convention. Many modern Masons do take masonic mythology at face value and are convinced that Freemasonry extends back to the building of King Solomon’s temple. Of course, builders were required, but modern Masons have no connection to them. Freemasonry had great social cachet in the 18th and 19th century and Joseph Smith undoubtedly felt quite chic at being accepted. The mysteries of freemasonry would no doubt enhance his self-invented new “Religion” with some really cool mumbo-jumbo.

 

[Chipper]

The quote you refer to says “as God is, man may become”. Further information is not, and has never been, provided to clarify exactly what this is intended to mean.
…

Many LDS members do interpret it to mean that one day we may have spirit children of our own and will have the opportunity to do as God has done for us; create worlds and bodies for them to experience just as we have. .

HMMM!!!.. Thanks for answering me?

I am sort of taking by surprise here. Why did you answer me and not the many others that asked this question?

Well at any rate thanks for answering me. I have to be somewhere right now, so I have to go. But when I come back, be ready to DEFEND the book of Abraham, as Canonized by the LDS church.

This book more than anything convinces me that ya’ll are just barking up the wrong tree.

 

[TexanKnight]

Let me be very clear:

Mormons were taught that they could become Gods. They could have their own planets.

Mormons were taught that God was once just a man. God was once just like us…ie. sinful. And someday, man can become just God. It is an unending chain.

I cannot accept that. But our Mormon brothers and sisters DO believe it.

 

[hosemonkey]

Let me be very clear:

Mormons were taught that they could become Gods. They could have their own planets.

P.T Barnum was right.

 

[Miriam1947]

nat,

Jesus was a God when He assisted His (our) Father in the creation. It is clear in the Genesis account “let us make man in our image, after our likeness” that more than one being was involved: God the Father, and Jesus Christ.

Nat, no Jesus was not, nor has He ever been, a God.

JESUS is God, He has always been God.