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Tony…

It is a matter of being faithful in Christ to the very end. The Church proposes, but does not impose or try to lay out telling us what to do every day. And to lay out a guilt trip on having guilt free sex mentality won’t work either these days.

There is ample information available for any Catholic to research, as well as the pulpit always preaching the way of truth.

The teaching Magisterium of the Church is the transmission of grace through the Holy Spirit Who didn’t ever leave us. We are the ones who freely leave, but Christ is always there for us in His Church.
 
KathleenGee said:
Tony…

… as well as the pulpit always preaching the way of truth.
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The issue of abortion is ALWAYS mentioned at the pulpit in the RCC. I can’t say I’ve ever heard of it mentioed in a Sacrament Meeting or during anytime of their 3 hr block meeting. IMO, the reason is that the issue is a private matter between the individual and their bishop. This wasn’t the case in regards to Prop 8 where it got mentioned A LOT during their Sunday meetings.
 
Tony888 said:
I agree with your prespective and I believe the the LDS system results in a rate of abortion that is equal or better than the Catholic rate (no data though)

At the end of the day, it is all about the actual outcome, not a rule that so many church members choose to ignore.
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Indeed, it is very sad that some people, having the fullness of truth, would not follow. But unfaithful members aside, the Catholic church’s fruit includes thousands of years’ worth of great saints, brilliant thinkers, scientists, schools, hospitals, and missionaries that no government or church can come close to.
 
blueadept said:
The issue of abortion is ALWAYS mentioned at the pulpit in the RCC. I can’t say I’ve ever heard of it mentioed in a Sacrament Meeting or during anytime of their 3 hr block meeting. IMO, the reason is that the issue is a private matter between the individual and their bishop. This wasn’t the case in regards to Prop 8 where it got mentioned A LOT during their Sunday meetings.
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blueadept, If you teach the below, it’s all covered
  • The sanctity of life
  • Chastity for the unmarried,
  • abortion for a married couple is a grave sin
The key lesson here is teaching Chastity.

How often do they discuss Chastity and fidelity in your RCC pulpit? I honestly don’t remember it being a topic during Sunday services as a Catholic
 
Tony888 said:
blueadept, If you teach the below, it’s all covered
  • The sanctity of life
  • Chastity for the unmarried,
  • abortion for a married couple is a grave sin
The key lesson here is teaching Chastity.

How often do they discuss Chastity and fidelity in your RCC pulpit? I honestly don’t remember it being a topic during Sunday services as a Catholic
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The subject is hammered hard in our high school ministry and at EVERY young adult retreat that I’m aware of. My girls have proudly worn their chastity rings for the last 4 and 5 years and they are 17 and 18.

I remember a video that I saw on a LDS site in regards to testimonies of young adults from different faiths where the message was in regards to importance of chastity and fidelity. Further projects of this nature would be a good ecumenical goal IMHO. What was cute about the video was that they kept the church identity of each kid silent until the end. I still could easily identify the LDS and Catholic member though.

Nice deflection. Why the lack of outward support against abortion if LDS are so pro-life? What’s the difference between showing joint support against abortion versus both faiths showing support of Prop 8?
 
blueadept said:
The subject is hammered hard in our high school ministry and at EVERY young adult retreat that I’m aware of. My girls have proudly worn their chastity rings for the last 4 and 5 years and they are 17 and 18.

I remember a video that I saw on a LDS site in regards to testimonies of young adults from different faiths where the message was in regards to importance of chastity and fidelity. Further projects of this nature would be a good ecumenical goal IMHO. What was cute about the video was that they kept the church identity of each kid silent until the end. I still could easily identify the LDS and Catholic member though.

Nice deflection. Why the lack of outward support against abortion if LDS are so pro-life? What’s the difference between showing joint support against abortion versus both faiths showing support of Prop 8?
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Yes, I also liked that commercial blueadept:thumbsup:

I didn’t deflect, I explained that the focus was on teaching Chasitity during Sundays. In your response, are you admitting that the RCC focuses on Abortion rather than Chastity during the Sunday services (which is what I asked you about, if you want to talk deflection 🙂 )

I fully anticipated the RCC to teach Chastitiy during youth activites, I was just trying to compare apples with your critique of LDS regular service topics. Abortion isn’t a chapter in Gospel Principles, .

Net, I’m saying what we do is different and it does get results, not saying it’s better (no data)
 
LDS and Catholics have both stood together in regards to Prop 8 on a street corner.

Why can’t we stand together against abortion on a street corner? The visual attendance of LDS at pro-life events is dismal at best and I feel the abortion issue is simply a personal issue that is left to the LDS laity from my experience. I will be going around to a couple of the other churches to see if their youth would be willing to go with us to the Pro-Life Walk in San Francisco on Jan 21st. I expect a few churches to be enthusiastic about attending. I unfortunately expect a cold-shoulder when I talk to the Stake President (whom I personally know) though.
 
Tony888 said:
Yes, I also liked that commercial blueadept:thumbsup:

Abortion isn’t a chapter in Gospel Principles, .
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Abortion isn’t a part of the 3 year cycle of Catholic readings either. But it seems to carry enough weight to get mentioned a lot during the Homily.

IMO, if it’s important. You’ll hear about it in your 3 hr block of meetings. Issues like contraceptions and abortions are personal matters for LDS folks and thus the reason the discussions are only between the bishop and individuals.

For Catholics, the Pope has determined that these ARE moral issues and have spoken authoritively on them. My LDS wife always wondered why I never got called out-on-the-carpet if I talked to my 6th grade CCD class about these subjects. She felt fairly sure she would have been if she brought it up in her Sunday school class (16-17 YW (Laurels??))
 
Chastity is being taught in Catholic schools, purity and chastity.

But I think the Hispanics are onto something…a Promessa for Jesus…kids get a chastity ring to keep themselves pure until marriage…it is a ceremony and the girls wear long gowns…the rituals really help deepen the desire to remain pure.

The other is there was a prior hesitancy by religious educators to avoid black and white morality to young teenagers for fear they would become fundamentalist in judging and condemning other people, so they made the teachings more relative.

However, we have to face the teenagers’ age appropriateness…and black and white is what they need…just add that we are to judge no one or label people, but pray for them.
 
Hi, Tony888,

What an incredible imagination you have - just invent anything you want and hope someone will not call your hand on it. Truly, shooting from the hip is a genuine disappointment - try to do better.

God bless
Tony888 said:
I agree with your prespective and I believe the the LDS system results in a rate of abortion that is equal or better than the Catholic rate (no data though)

At the end of the day, it is all about the actual outcome, not a rule that so many church members choose to ignore.
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Tony888 said:
I agree with your prespective and I believe the the LDS system results in a rate of abortion that is equal or better than the Catholic rate (no data though)

At the end of the day, it is all about the actual outcome, not a rule that so many church members choose to ignore.
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At the end of the day it is about Church teaching and the Mormon Church is no longer anti-abortion in its teaching.
 
Tony888 said:
I agree with your prespective and I believe the the LDS system results in a rate of abortion that is equal or better than the Catholic rate (no data though)

At the end of the day, it is all about the actual outcome, not a rule that so many church members choose to ignore.
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Since I think the rate abortion is even lower in a women penitentiary I guess this system they belong to is the best form of cristrianity then.
The outcome is what you are looking after?
Yes you could tell by the fruits!

How many times we hear abuse of this statement!

You see how easy it is using words from the bible to justify a context.

The fruits are the one in your heart when you do things in a certain way not just because you do things or not. Doing is not as important as being. We should pray to change and from this change will also change our action even thought is true action will canilize you in a certain way of being but they will not change you.

Maybe we could guess a young lady crying out to the Lord to forgive her abortion will be more justified then another one saying the Lord thanks since she is soo good?
This story remind me of a parabole doesn’t it?

Many mormons if not all should really deeply study who were the pharisee. And of course it will good for many of us too.
 
followingtheway said:
Me neither. I mean I watched a video that was supposed to show “what they believed” until some people said some of it was not true, some they didn’t believe anymore, and some they believed, but it was misrepresented. But it’s a little strange how I see a lot of Catholics said “Mormons are not Christians!” and then they whine and complain when Protestants say that about them. I’m Catholic but hey, who am I to judge? 🤷

That’s just my two cents. :twocents:

God bless :byzsoc:

David
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According to the Catholic Church, Mormons are not Christians and their baptism is not valid. So… I guess you don’t have to judge. The Church has already done that for us.
 
Bz5

We name our children after “dead” saints, yes. They are our heroes in the faith but who said they were DEAD? Are they not the CLOUD of WITNESSES? (see John Martignoni’s website) They are more ALIVE than ever!

Re: abortion fight

Catholic laypeople have been at the forefront fighting abortion since day 1. I seem to remember the LDS girls I worked with said abortion was allowed in cases of rape… ???

One of the most beautiful efforts to help the post-abortive women (and men need healing too) is RACHEL’S VINEYARD. Countless groups worldwide reach out to unwed moms - Catholic Charities, Knights of Columbus to mention 2 have spent thousands of man hours & millions of dollars in this endeavor.

I heard the former Texan abortion clinic manager speak in my city last spring & she has joined the true Church mostly because of the Catholics witnessing at the fence of her clinic for months. David will eventually defeat the planned parenthood juggernaut Goliath.

Christian denoms have failed in interpretation of scripture (keep in mind the 5th Commandment & sin of Onan) & thereby allow abortion even if limited & artificial birth control (some bc causes very early abortions just the same). Catholicism is one group for sure that historically that allows none of it - maybe the Orthodox included - See the brilliant 'HUMANE VITAE" by Pope Paul VI. These who would rail at Holy Mother Church for standing FIRM need to ask one question in their heart: “What would Jesus do?”
 
Pepband_Mom said:
Bz5

I heard the former Texan abortion clinic manager speak in my city last spring & she has joined the true Church mostly because of the Catholics witnessing at the fence of her clinic for months. David will eventually defeat the planned parenthood juggernaut Goliath.
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That would Abby Johnson who was a director at an abortion clinic in Houston. I would describe her as someone who thought she was looking out for women’s health just as the LDS church views the reason why it allows abortion in certain cases IMO. Here’s her book

amazon.com/Unplanned-Dramatic-Planned-Parenthood-Eye-Opening/dp/1414339399

While she thought there were special circumstances where abortion should be allowed, she had a change of heart. Its a page turner and I highly recommend the book for anyone who thinks they want to defend those special circumstances.
 
Here is the excellent Chastity video mentioned by blueadept
I Choose to Be Pure

See if you can pick out who is whom: Buddhist, Catholic, Luthern, Muslim, Non denominaltional, LDS
 
Pepband_Mom said:
Bz5

We name our children after “dead” saints, yes. They are our heroes in the faith but who said they were DEAD? Are they not the CLOUD of WITNESSES? (see John Martignoni’s website) They are more ALIVE than ever!
You’re right.-BZ

I heard the former Texan abortion clinic manager speak in my city last spring & she has joined the true Church mostly because of the Catholics witnessing at the fence of her clinic for months. David will eventually defeat the planned parenthood juggernaut Goliath.

I love that book, Unplanned, by Abby Johnson. I showed my teens the arguments she fell for as an ‘inoculation’ for them.-BZ
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Tony888 said:
How often do they discuss Chastity and fidelity in your RCC pulpit? I honestly don’t remember it being a topic during Sunday services as a Catholic
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While the homily will tie the scripture reading of the day to our current situation (this may lead to chastity or some other point) the homily is not the main function of the Mass. At Mass we hear the word of God, worship and praise Him, and ultimately participate in Christ’s Sacrifice made present to us through the consecration.
 
We have a really good ‘priest in training’ this year. He gives wonderful homilies. Better than Father. He has the gift.

That doesn’t mean that I don’t like our pastor’s homilies but, they just aren’t quite as memorable.
 
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