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frank_maritano
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OK. what do they hope to gain, thier all dead?
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Michelle_G_55
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Thank you all for the prayers. A good thing is that now that she is living on her own we see her and hear from her more ofter. She rarely sees the LDS family she lived with. She will attend football games of the children in that house and see the woman at work but that’s about it. She said to me last night that she gets lonely having to eat dinner all by herself. I feel but in the back of my mind I think to myself, “I told you so”. It was time for her independence but I wish it would have been in another way.
My husband and I spoke with the nun at our church before she got sick. After she was operated on we spoke, but not for councelling .I do believe I witnessed the Lord speaking through her. She had a glow about her and told me a very odd thing. She said my daughter will be back to the catholic religion not in 1 yr. or 2 but in 4 years. I found the 4 years very odd but I guess I need something to hold on to.
You all have been very helpful with your answers. Sometimes I can be hostel in my questions, not because I want to be but because it comes out that way with the hurt. I will try to do better.
I did ask if they celebrate Christmas and birthdays since I just learned that the Jahovahs Witness do not. What a relief.
I hope all of you a blessed day and blessed Thanksgiving. I know despite this mess, we do have many things to be thankful for. The Lord has blessed us with a wonderful daughter that maybe will come to her senses. I will continue to pray and pray.
Happy Thanksgiving
Michelle G 55
My husband and I spoke with the nun at our church before she got sick. After she was operated on we spoke, but not for councelling .I do believe I witnessed the Lord speaking through her. She had a glow about her and told me a very odd thing. She said my daughter will be back to the catholic religion not in 1 yr. or 2 but in 4 years. I found the 4 years very odd but I guess I need something to hold on to.
You all have been very helpful with your answers. Sometimes I can be hostel in my questions, not because I want to be but because it comes out that way with the hurt. I will try to do better.
I did ask if they celebrate Christmas and birthdays since I just learned that the Jahovahs Witness do not. What a relief.
I hope all of you a blessed day and blessed Thanksgiving. I know despite this mess, we do have many things to be thankful for. The Lord has blessed us with a wonderful daughter that maybe will come to her senses. I will continue to pray and pray.
Happy Thanksgiving
Michelle G 55
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KathleenGee
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God bless you, Michele.
After finding out more about Mormonism and its continual targeting of Catholicism in various ways, I think the Church needs now to do more in protecting the faithful and our sense of the sacred.
I am keeping you and all Mormons in my prayers.
After finding out more about Mormonism and its continual targeting of Catholicism in various ways, I think the Church needs now to do more in protecting the faithful and our sense of the sacred.
I am keeping you and all Mormons in my prayers.
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tqualey
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Hi, Frank,
Yes, I would be interested in the answer to that one myself! I have gotten a bit mixed up on these various doctrines … and then they are subject to change without notice.
Hey, Tony888, let’s see what you have to say.
God bless
Yes, I would be interested in the answer to that one myself! I have gotten a bit mixed up on these various doctrines … and then they are subject to change without notice.
Hey, Tony888, let’s see what you have to say.
God bless
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blueadept
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Obviously, LDS do not recognize any other baptism besides their own and they believe they have the proper priesthood authority since it was taken away due to the Apostasy and given back to the earth through Joseph Smith. Everyone needs to be baptized before the 2nd Coming of Christ which they believe it will be soon. Therefore; everyone needs to hear the Gospel (including the dead) in order for them to be saved.
My understanding is that we all won’t necessarily be Mormon, but we will be saved. Just not in the highest level of heaven which is reserved for the Temple worthy LDS folks.
Their thought is if they are right, most will be saved. If they are wrong, no harm has been done.
That said, I would prefer the work not to be done regardless. As a technical 6th generation LDS, I don’t believe my wishes will be honored even if I’ve been a Catholic my entire life.
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DCNBILL
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Note that the situation that you have quoted is not abortion.
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bz5
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Parker can give you a better answer, but I’ll try. They do baptize deceased persons by proxy, believing that if the deceased hear the Mormon message and accept it in the afterlife and are then baptized, they can go to (a higher level?) of heaven. They have no concept of the baptism of desire, as Catholics do, so I suppose it seems like an issue of fairness to them.
I say a higher level of heaven, because, while they believe in an ‘outer darkness’ for the worst sinners, there are three levels of heaven for the vast majority, the highest being for faithful Mormons whose marriages have been sealed in the Temple, etc…
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tqualey
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Hi, Blueadept,
Would you kindly explain that part about the, “…proper priesthood authority since it was taken away due to the Apostasy and given back to the earth through Joseph Smith”? Since Smith came to the Protestant revolt a bit late - whose ‘apostasy’ does this address?
Thank you and God bless
Would you kindly explain that part about the, “…proper priesthood authority since it was taken away due to the Apostasy and given back to the earth through Joseph Smith”? Since Smith came to the Protestant revolt a bit late - whose ‘apostasy’ does this address?
Thank you and God bless
Obviously, LDS do not recognize any other baptism besides their own and they believe they have the proper priesthood authority since it was taken away due to the Apostasy and given back to the earth through Joseph Smith. Everyone needs to be baptized before the 2nd Coming of Christ which they believe it will be soon. Therefore; everyone needs to hear the Gospel (including the dead) in order for them to be saved.
My understanding is that we all won’t necessarily be Mormon, but we will be saved. Just not in the highest level of heaven which is reserved for the Temple worthy LDS folks.
Their thought is if they are right, most will be saved. If they are wrong, no harm has been done.
That said, I would prefer the work not to be done regardless. As a technical 6th generation LDS, I don’t believe my wishes will be honored even if I’ve been a Catholic my entire life.
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blueadept
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Mormons tend to date the Apostasy sometimes between when the last Apostle died and probably by the Council of Nicea.
You can’t really lump Mormonism with the Protestant movement. Protestant are Reformists that started with Luther and Calvin. They were technically fine with Catholic Church until that time when they believed the RCC got a few things wrong.
LDS, on the otherhand, is a Restoration-type church who believes the proper priesthood authority was removed from the earth which they refer to as the Apostasy. This of course was given back through the prophet Joseph Smith. They consider him a seer, prophet and revelator. They also consider each subsequent president as a prophet, seer and revelator and of course they re-established the 12 Apostles as well since Joseph Smith’s time and even today. Another difference is that EVERY worthy male, holds the priesthood.
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blueadept
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If you want to read something about the LDS church that presents a middle ground, I suggest the book “Rough Stone Rolling”.
Critics could read it and be convinced the Mormons got it wrong and LDS members can read it and believe that everything was answered.
That’s not easy to do nowadays …
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tqualey
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Hi, Blueadept,
Maybe this guy should run for political office…
God bless
Maybe this guy should run for political office…
God bless
If you want to read something about the LDS church that presents a middle ground, I suggest the book “Rough Stone Rolling”.
Critics could read it and be convinced the Mormons got it wrong and LDS members can read it and believe that everything was answered.
That’s not easy to do nowadays …
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Miriam1947
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Mormons believe that if they baptize our dead that our dead will then have to make a choice to become Mormon and will then go to their (Mormon) celestial kingdom. I’m not sure if Mormons believe if those dead baptized will go to hell if they refuse to become Mormons in the next life.
After all they have baptized Pope John Paul II SIX TIMES! They have baptized our saints. They bragged about hitting the mother lode of Catholic names and they also baptize Jewish Holocaust victims.
The Catholic Church now forbids giving baptismal records to anyone outside the faith.
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tqualey
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Hi, Miriam1947,
Thanks for that information - I had not heard it before.
I guess the Catholic Church does not want to contribute to a fraud.
Hey, Tony888, maybe you would like to comment on this (just get your facts straight first - just because I do not know much about Mormonism does not mean that others on the thread are not well versed.)
God bless
Thanks for that information - I had not heard it before.
I guess the Catholic Church does not want to contribute to a fraud.
Hey, Tony888, maybe you would like to comment on this (just get your facts straight first - just because I do not know much about Mormonism does not mean that others on the thread are not well versed.)
God bless
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BaileyJoe
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I don’t think God would wait so many years to give someone some plates that added to the Bible. For a long time they did not allow Black people in their churches. Now it ok. It seems to me they just make the rules as they go along. I consider the LDS and the Seven Day Adventist cults. There are lots of good people in their churches. Being good is not all it takes to get to heaven.
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blueadept
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I’ve had Mormons laugh at me in insinuating that accepting an LDS baptism for the dead infers that one is Mormon. So I would like to see a CFR on that Miriam. Their thought is that salvation can only occur through proper priesthood authority and they are the only ones with it. They are doing it since Jesus said to baptize all nations in the name of the Father, and of the Son and the Holy Ghost.
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Miriam1947
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I’m not sure what you are asking for here. CFR? Is it okay if I claim ignorance on that?
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blueadept
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It’s a call for a reference (CFR) since I believe you are stating a personal opinion.
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stokemeister
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As a Mormon I would say Miriam1947’s description does not describe my belief regarding baptism for the dead. I think it mischaracterizes the belief perhaps similar to the way you might feel when people slander relics in the Catholic Church.
In general I find the Mormon belief a very inclusive not exclusive practice that broadens a practitioner’s sense of connection to the entire human family across all boundaries. It builds empathy across barriers of time. It celebrates the justice and mercy of God. It is a manifestation of the strength of their belief in the resurrection for all who have ever lived and also the value of every soul.
It is not about turning other people’s ancestors into Mormons or even accuracy or efficiency in accomplishing the task…that’s not the point or they would go about it very differently.
The nuanced Mormon understanding of the afterlife is also not the stark Heaven/Hell divide of most of Christianity, although that imagery is also in uniquely Mormon scripture as well. The Mormon afterlife is described in terms of degrees of light and levels within levels. There will be a place for everyone and all will have the ability to choose according to their willingness to receive that light and the mercy of Christ.
In general I find the Mormon belief a very inclusive not exclusive practice that broadens a practitioner’s sense of connection to the entire human family across all boundaries. It builds empathy across barriers of time. It celebrates the justice and mercy of God. It is a manifestation of the strength of their belief in the resurrection for all who have ever lived and also the value of every soul.
It is not about turning other people’s ancestors into Mormons or even accuracy or efficiency in accomplishing the task…that’s not the point or they would go about it very differently.
The nuanced Mormon understanding of the afterlife is also not the stark Heaven/Hell divide of most of Christianity, although that imagery is also in uniquely Mormon scripture as well. The Mormon afterlife is described in terms of degrees of light and levels within levels. There will be a place for everyone and all will have the ability to choose according to their willingness to receive that light and the mercy of Christ.
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Miriam1947
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Darn it I lost my links. I will post them again tomorrow. Because it is getting late here and I get up very early.
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