Views on Wicca

[Syrokal]

Hi there i was just wondering what peoples veiws are on the Wiccan religion. What people think of there practicies and the way they conduct there lives and what relation it has to christianity.

 

[renee1258]

Over time I met sincere and insincere Wiccans, just like meeting Christians. Some honestly don’t believe in God, and think Jesus was a nice guy and have nothing against Christianity. All their acts have a positive intention to them. They just don’t think about Chrisitanity, the same way I don’t think about Hinduism. It isn’t an act of rebelion for them, they take their beliefs seriously.

Of course I’ve been in a few conversations with Wiccans, trying to dispove Christianity. Usually they Christians stole many Pagan beliefs. Now I will agree as cultures become Christian, they used cultural displays of celebration that might been used previously from Chrisitianity. I’ve heard two points, Pagans acting Chrisitian in fear of prosecution of Christians and Christians maintaining Pagan/cultural displays in fear of prosectution of Pagens. Figures…

I know that Satanic worshippers pass themselves off as Wiccan, so I’m very wary.

 

[Faithful_2_Rome]

If you met “insincere Wiccans”…how can you say “ALL their acts have a POSITIVE intention”

Wicca is a PAGAN religion…they practice witchcraft… no matter what people may say or believe about a differerence between white or black magic…ALL magic is BLACK

They may have grown up in that faith… but they are in the grip of Satan whether they know it or not

Those who have grown up into this or any faith other than Christianity need to be served in the same manner as Missionaries do for those in third world lands…PROSTYLIZED and CONVERTED for the betterment of their eternal souls. Those who convert to Wicca, or ANY pagan faith should not be associated with…just prayed for.

 

[Syrokal]

Wrong!..Witchcraft is not a part of Wicca it just so happens that most wiccans(around 97%) practice witchcraft(which is not Satan bound) as well.

Its like a priest who also likes to cook, or play the violin it just is connected.

All magick is not black. Using your spiritual power to help or understand is hardly evil. That’s like saying searching the internet for a local hospital is evil and wrong.

You say Wiccans are in the grip of Satan but how can they be in the grip of something they do not recognise as even existing. Satan is purely Christian and has no place in Wicca or Pagan based religions.

Its funny how such a large amount of people pray. for anyone who dose not follow there religion. If the lord god was the one true divine power he would use his power to draw back any who stray from the herd of Christianity and Catholicism and would not be worried for he is the one true god as the first commandment states.

I am thy lord thy only lord thou shall worship no other god but me. If this was true (and im not saying it isent) he would have little to worry about.

And for the note an Incinsire wiccan is just somebody who states themself Wiccan when they dont understand what it is.

 

[Ghosty]

There is no such thing as good that doesn’t come from God. Any power that is called to outside of God is inherently evil, despite the good appearances of what may occur. The Old Testament covers this nicely in many places.

As for Wicca, I don’t think much of it as a religion. It’s a modern creation for recapturing a “lost faith”, and bears little resemblence to the ancient religion it trys to emulate. It’s a generally innocent, if severely misguided, faith, and one that can definately lead people away from God.

 

[Syrokal]

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It’s a generally innocent, if severely misguided, faith, and one that can definately lead people away from God.

But most people dont “want”. To be with god because they dislike the way that christianity and its counterparts operate.

lead people away from God

The same was said about Christianity in its founding days.
All religions are the same.
Differant paths
Same Goal.

 

[renee1258]

The media plays a lot into our view of this, especially horror movies when it comes to wicca/witchcraft/satanic rituals.

I don’t agree with any pre-Christian belief as a Catholic, but is it possible to believe in a pre-Christian belief and not be satanic. To a sincere wiccan, Satan is a Christian belief, they don’t belive in. Just like a Jewish person can say, “Jesus was a good ‘man’” so does a Wiccan.

An insincere Wiccan usually would go off about how awful Chrisitianity is, and how bad this or that is in our religion.

A sincere Wiccan is not into Wicca because s/he doesn’t like Christianity. That is hence evil. You believe in Wicca, because you believe it is the Truth and you really don’t have an opinion on Christ.

 

[Syrokal]

Thanks for that…at least there are those with lighter and more forgiving opinions.

 

[Ghosty]

But most people dont “want”. To be with god because they dislike the way that christianity and its counterparts operate.

I don’t understand your point here. Rejecting God is rejecting God. Not all Wiccans reject God, but many do, and they must accept the fruits of that decision just like everyone else. Not liking the humans who follow God is no reason to reject God. Rejecting the eternal because of the temporary is severely irrational.

The same was said about Christianity in its founding days.

So? Such statements were wrong then, and are wrong now. How can the religion that was founded directly by God be the same as a religion created purely as an academic exercise by humans? That premise makes no sense, I’m afraid.

Wicca doesn’t represent an “evil” in the world, but rather an incorrect, and frankly naive, belief in a very recent human construct. There are many good things in Wicca, but those are merely the reflections of the good in the Church and in God, not something distinct from them.

 

[CrazyFaith]

I don’t understand your point here. Rejecting God is rejecting God. Not all Wiccans reject God,

True Wicca doesn’t reject the God of christians, it just tries to accept God in all of his or her forms. Perhaps God comes to people in ways they can accept and understand. Jesus, afterall, came to his people as Jewish. One God many names. Anyone who follows the true tenets of their faith is seeking truth and good morality.

There are many good things in Wicca, but those are merely the reflections of the good in the Church and in God, not something distinct from them.

Wiccan makes no distinctions among any of the gods and goddesses of all faiths and traditions. They are all reflections of eachother. A Wiccan should respect your beliefs in one God, Jesus, the Holy Spirit, and the prayers to the different saints as an intervention for your prayer to God.

But most people dont “want”. To be with god because they dislike the way that christianity and its counterparts operate.

Perhaps Syrokal is addressing the distinction between the faith of religion and the business of religion (which admittedly turns many people off it.

 

[Syrokal]

Perhaps Syrokal is addressing the distinction between the faith of religion and the business of religion (which admittedly turns many people off it.

Exactly Perhaps i should become more deailed in the points im putting forth here…

 

[Jdg164]

Syrokal:

All magick is not black. Using your spiritual power to help or understand is hardly evil. That’s like saying searching the internet for a local hospital is evil and wrong.

Syrokal, from your point of view, all magick is not black and using spiritual powers to help or understand not evil. To a Christian, even more specifically a Catholic, magick (whether it is labeled black or white) is a form of divination- an attempt to know or control or change what is not meant for us to know/control/change. This is not the same as looking for a local hospital on the net b/c searching the net for a medical facility does not fall under spiritism or divination.

Syrokal:

You say Wiccans are in the grip of Satan but how can they be in the grip of something they do not recognize as even existing.

Well clearly if someone does not believe in something, they would not acknowledge it. This makes perfect sense. But someone who does believe in Satan can describe someone or something as “in his grip.” An analogy: someone may not believe in cancer. They do not recognize the cancer and hence do not seek medical treatment because obviously, you wouldn’t seek treatment for something you don’t believe is there. A Dr. however would believe the person has it because HE believes in it.
Many people here argue from their own point of view. That’s fine. But what is necessary to understand is that if the person you are arguing/discussing something with does NOT share the same POV, much of what you will attempt to point out is moot.

 

[Ghosty]

CrazyFaith: Wiccans do not accept Christian beliefs, because they don’t accept Jesus as God, and his words as God. Insofar as they know what Jesus said, they absolutely reject his teachings. There’s no way that Jesus’ teachings can overlap in an inclusive way with other religions that accept other gods.

Other religions reflect the teachings of God because God is ever-present, but this doesn’t mean that other religions need to be embraced as truth. On the contrary, people in other faiths should hopefully accept the fullness of the God they instinctually recognize by joining the Church. There can be no fullness of faith outside of the Church that was founded by God himself. The Wiccan faith is an incomplete and imperfect understanding of God.

Jesus said specifically that he was God, and he also founded a Church that still exists today, saying that it was the ministry of God on Earth. No Wiccan truly accepts the Christian God without abandoning Wicca, because they do not accept that God created the Church as the direct ministry of Heaven on Earth. Anyone who says that Jesus wasn’t God and didn’t set up the Church as God’s ministry is calling Jesus a liar. It’s perfectly reasonable to call Jesus a liar, but it’s unreasonable to turn around and say that one accepts his teachings at the same time.

 

[Syrokal]

There is a large difference between Accepting another factions beliefs and Following and believing another Factions belief. The larger majority of Wiccans accept the fact that you follow the path that you do. That dose not mean to say that they agree with it and its values.

The simply recognise its existence without prejudice.

 

[Melonie]

Syrokal:

You say Wiccans are in the grip of Satan but how can they be in the grip of something they do not recognise as even existing. Satan is purely Christian and has no place in Wicca or Pagan based religions.

Meaning no disrespect in this, but you see, that’s exactly the trouble with Wiccans: they think that just because they chose not to recognize Satan, he doesn’t exist and has no power over them.

That logic is flawed as severely as this:

“Hm…let’s see. I want to go to London, but I am deathly afraid of airplanes. So I will just refuse to recognize that it’s an airplane, and call it a Good White Griffin instead. Problem solved.”

Not.

The point is, it is quite easy to serve Satan when you don’t “believe” in him.

 

[CrazyFaith]

The point is, it is quite easy to serve Satan when you don’t “believe” in him.

Wiccans don’t lay the responsibility of evil on an outside being. They lay the responsibility for their actions on themselves. You can only “serve Satan” by believing in ‘him.’ A self-serving evil that you commit isn’t called satanic, unless it was done in the name of satan. You can recognized and fight evil, bad energy, succubi, satan, demons, evil spirits. Let’s not be naive and say evil only has one name.

 

[Syrokal]

But Wiccans Dont do anything Satanic bye pagan belifes anyway…Any Rituals that are performed are in the best intent(and dont get started about how intentions however good can lead to evil). And are only chanaling the energys given bye the Lord and the Lady.
And anyone who dose perform an act that is harmful against others i from that point on no longer wiccan. Magick is like a knife. A knife can be used to amputate a infested limb but can allso be used to slit the mans throat as he sleeps. Like everything Spells and Spiritual energys can be used for good and bad but are not bye definition evil.

 

[CrazyFaith]

No Wiccan truly accepts the Christian God without abandoning Wicca, because they do not accept that God created the Church as the direct ministry of Heaven on Earth.

Very true! Their can be no such thing as a Catholic Wiccan, because, as you imply, the belief in the Christian God forbids belief in other gods.

I mean that Wicca accepts all gods and goddesses as a path. It’s the journey that we take which determines whether or not we have been good people. No, wiccans don’t accept the beliefs and traditions set by 2000 years of catholic history, a history which also reflects other faiths and other traditions. Take the celtic cross as an example. A symbol of catholic faith. A combination of new catholic teachings (at the time) and pagan symbology.

 

[Melonie]

What I am trying to explain to you is, Wiccans’ “lord and lady” do not exist in reality, and only God is worthy of that sort of attention. Why should Wiccans do anything for some false, Uppercase lord and lady? If they are not God the Father, God the Son, or God the Holy Spirit, then serving them amounts to serving Satan. What does not serve God, serves Satan. (and don’t get me started, either, on all the many things that serving God can be.) The so-called Wiccan “lord and lady” are just Satan pretending to be entities of nature or something, so that the sort of people inclined to be duped by Wiccan cults will be mislead-- and unfortunately for them, it matters none at all whether they “recognize” or “give power to” that fact: it is true.

 

[Syrokal]

No…no…no…

This is where you show yourself to be deluded with “your” Beliefs and “your” Religious contest you leave no option open for the fact that there “may” be other Deities and the likes. There always has been and always will be.(whether they exist or not they still are there!).

Why is your god so different than Ours

Wicca shares the same Ideals as Christianity and pretty much every other religion on earth.
Live a happy life, do no harm to others, help were you can and do not do Evil or Wrong things.

The place were our religions separate is when this happens

your patron god says this.

“If you dont do what i say you will burn in hell”.

He is no better than this Satan.

I am not disrespecting Christianity in any way i am not saying that the Lord and lady exist and the Lord father Holy ghost dose not.

In fact i firmly believe that he dose exist as dose Allah as dose The lord and Lady as dose every other god and goddess.

Christianity just seems to want to destroy all opposes like a army.and that leads to Religious Intolerance which is what i see mostly.

The so-called Wiccan “lord and lady” are just Satan pretending to be entities of nature or something, so that the sort of people inclined to be duped by Wiccan cults will be mislead

What drives you to this fact what evil life destroying act has a true Wiccan ever done.Name something allong the lines.Wiccans seek to preseve and to better all Like Christians all we do is choose to go about it a differant way.