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mike182d
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Were Muhammed and the Rightly Guided Caliphs *true *Muslims when they conquered nearly two-thirds of Christian lands in the East, reducing the whole of the Byzantine Empire to the size of a Greek city state?
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Maryam_V
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It does seem you are very uncomfortable to a point that you are willing to forego your “love thy enemy” teaching. You are blinded by your discomfort that you’re making claims in the absence of proof.
Love and forgiveness…very good virtues indeed, where do they stand in relation to justice? Can one achieve love and forgivenes without justice? Is it justice to give the rule of the land to creation rather than the Creator?
With the way you wrote, it’s as if wherever there are many Muslims, Christians just drop dead every minute. I am in a country where there are no non-Muslims citizens. There are many Christians here. I see Christians and their families living in luxurious villas with many of them employing maids even. Many of them receive hefty salaries. They go around shopping malls, buying signature stuff. They go to their countries or whichever country they wish to visit yearly (others, twice a year) - airfare paid for by their employers. Contrary to the picture you wish to paint, Christians here live like “kings” and I do not see them dropping dead every minute.
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RyanL
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Maryam V.:
Which country? Perhaps I’ve been there and have seen things you haven’t…
Shalom,
RyanL
Maryam V.,
Which country? Perhaps I’ve been there and have seen things you haven’t…
Shalom,
RyanL
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Donna_P
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RyanL:
Thank you for your responses.
- Islam is not peaceful. While many who follow Islam ARE peaceful, Jihad for others is a way of life.
- Jesus IS God.
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Donna_P
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Maybe this is a good time to look at the Catholic Church? We do teach one Way. Those who try to go their own way are diciplined or excommunicated.
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mike182d
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Donna P:
Well…sort of. This venerable practice has died down considerably after Vatican II
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shamsery
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Donna P:
Faith101:
**Sorry, the thesis is not correct. **
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shamsery
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Donna P:
Not terrorism.
Jihad has a certain meaning in Islam.
Not terrorism.
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Maranatha
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Donna P:
Clarity and consistency come from God. Ambiguity and inconsistency come from our adversary.
The CC does not use excommunication as often. We use a softer approach to keeping people in line. This does not mean that individual Catholics can determine dogmas of the CC. The Catechism is a clear an unambiguous interpretation of the Bible and other Traditions. Like Islam or any other religion, individuals many not fully live up to the precepts. Unlike Islam the dogmas of the Catholic Church are clear and set and not open to individual interpretation.
Clarity and consistency come from God. Ambiguity and inconsistency come from our adversary.
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mike182d
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What did Muhammed think Jihad meant, before the Qu’ran was written?
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Faith101
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Donna P:
Faith101:
And (remember) when Allah will say (on the Day of Resurrection): "O Jesus, son of Mary! Did you say unto men: Worship me and my mother as two gods besides Allah? " He will say: "Glory be to You! It was not for me to say what I had no right (to say). Had I said such a thing, You would surely have known it. You know what is in my innerself though I do not know what is in Yours, truly, You, only You, are the AllKnower of all that is hidden and unseen (Quran 5:116)
- You are right. Jihad is a way of life for all GOOD muslims. Do you know what Jihad means…it DOES NOT mean holy war…i dont know who made that up. Jihad means struggle. A good muslim struggles with themselves to overcome their desires, and to follow the straight path. IT can also mean fighting against oppression and injustice.
- That is your opinion. He surely never said it.
May God guide us all to the truth. Ameen
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Faith101
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The word “Jihad” is derived from the Arabic word “Jahd” which means fatigue or the word “Juhd” which means effort. A Mujahid is he who strives in the Cause of Allah and exerts efforts which makes him feel fatigued. The word “Jihad” means exerting effort to achieve a desired thing or prevent an undesired one. In other words, it is an effort that aims at bringing about benefit or preventing harm.
Jihad can be observed through any means and in any field whether material or moral. Among the types of Jihad are struggling against one’s desires, the accursed Satan, poverty, illiteracy, disease, and fighting all evil forces in the world.
This was taken from an answer to the question “what is jihad” For all those interested, here is the link
islam-online.net/fatwa/english/FatwaDisplay.asp?hFatwaID=18243
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Faith101
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In other words, Islam is PERFECT, people (and therefore muslims since they are people) are not.
So Islam is not defined or explained by the behavior of all muslims.
Did that help…let me know i can rephrase
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Faith101
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Not only are they true Muslims…but the *best * Muslims
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Rhubarb
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How does it go?
Not one hundred people in the Unites States hates the Catholic Church, but millions hate what they mistake for the Catholic Church?
That was Bishop Sheen.
I think it’s true for Islam also. Terrorists in the world who kill the innocent while claiming to be doing the work of Allah abuse the name. Flying planes into buildings and blowing up busses arn’t acts act of a sane, truely faithful Muslim. And that miniscule percent of the Islamic population that happen to be in the lime light arn’t typical among the millions of Islamic people worldwide. They are deluted people. And they twist a beautiful religion into something ugly, and false.
I was working for a man, flipping burgers, who was born in Syria. I was 16, he was 22. He told me once that Jihad isn’t about killing people who disagree with you. Jihad is waking up every day and schlepping yourself into work at a job you hate so you can afford to keep your wife and kids. Jihad is putting in extra late night hours so you can earn a degree. And so on and so forth.
Not one hundred people in the Unites States hates the Catholic Church, but millions hate what they mistake for the Catholic Church?
That was Bishop Sheen.
I think it’s true for Islam also. Terrorists in the world who kill the innocent while claiming to be doing the work of Allah abuse the name. Flying planes into buildings and blowing up busses arn’t acts act of a sane, truely faithful Muslim. And that miniscule percent of the Islamic population that happen to be in the lime light arn’t typical among the millions of Islamic people worldwide. They are deluted people. And they twist a beautiful religion into something ugly, and false.
I was working for a man, flipping burgers, who was born in Syria. I was 16, he was 22. He told me once that Jihad isn’t about killing people who disagree with you. Jihad is waking up every day and schlepping yourself into work at a job you hate so you can afford to keep your wife and kids. Jihad is putting in extra late night hours so you can earn a degree. And so on and so forth.
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LtTony
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tom.wineman said:
THANK YOU!!!
I have been directing that same question to Muslims and Arabs in general and have yet to see anything in the form of a reply. Stone cold silence. I fear a peaceful religion has been overwhelmed by violent practitioners.
Muslims in this country are not stepping up to help bridge the gap between cultures. They are not taking the high ground and taking back their religion. Christians in the 50s and 60s sent an already marginal group, the KKK, to the lunatic fringe of acceptance. American Muslims can do the same, or do they despise Western culture so much that they can’t?
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LtTony
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Faith101 2. That is your opinion. He surely never said it. [/QUOTE said:
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Willdecided
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It sickens me, especially a few weeks ago when all of this news that prisoners at Guantanamo Bay Prison have been treated unfairly and had there Quran desecrated. I am not saying that it is right for anyone to do any harm to any holy book, but, it happened. For one thing, they are prisoners; not prisoners for car theft, robbing a bank or stealing a car. They are prisoners for terrorist acts. These are the same people who burn American Flags and we saw them on the news cheering when the Twin Towers fell on September 11th.
I find it strange that it is acceptable in today’s society (I am talking non Christian people here) to burn and rip bibles if they want to. Isn’t that called freedom of speech? But, if this happens, especially in an interrogation prison where terrorists are being held, then the whole world is offended. I just do not understand it.
Peace
I find it strange that it is acceptable in today’s society (I am talking non Christian people here) to burn and rip bibles if they want to. Isn’t that called freedom of speech? But, if this happens, especially in an interrogation prison where terrorists are being held, then the whole world is offended. I just do not understand it.
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Maryam_V
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Yes. They, Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) and the Rightly Guided Caliphs (may Allah be pleased with them) are the “truest” Muslims, if I can use that term to describe the best of Muslim generations. The rightly guided cliphs, all 4 of them - received the good news of being in Paradise even while they were still on earth.
Of course, I know that you won’t understand seeing that you look at the history (even present) of Islam in a different angle and in definitely unpleasant colors.
Maryam V.
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Booklover
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No, that does not help, Faith! First of all how do you know that Islam is perfect? What defines or explains it then? You sound as if Islam is totally separated from its followers. That doesn’t make sense.
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