Violence and Islam

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shamsery:
Jihad has a certain meaning in Islam.
Not terrorism.
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Catholics have one Teaching Authority so we know what the Bible means. Islam has no teachin authority so Holy War - Jihad becomes just that for many…War.
 
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Willdecided:
It sickens me, especially a few weeks ago when all of this news that prisoners at Guantanamo Bay Prison have been treated unfairly and had there Quran desecrated.

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Please keep up with the truth. The Media LIED.
 
Donna P:
Catholics have one Teaching Authority so we know what the Bible means. Islam has no teachin authority so Holy War - Jihad becomes just that for many…War.
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You need little patience, perseverance and open mind to understand the real interpretation of Jihad as per Islamic theology.
 
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shamsery:
You need little patience, perseverance and open mind to understand the real interpretation of Jihad as per Islamic theology.
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Huh?

Answer the question.

I have to drop by the office for a bit, but I’ll check back.
 
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Munawar:
I think you’re behind truth yourself. The Red Cross has been raising Guantanamo Koran abuse concerns since back in 2002
Munawar
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Munawar,

There’s a significant difference between raising concerns and documenting fact. As I recall, you had some rather pointed things to say when Christians were “raising concerns” about the treatment of women and Christians in Islamic countries…

Let’s apply the same standard.

Shalom,
RyanL
 
Donna P:
Catholics have one Teaching Authority so we know what the Bible means. Islam has no teachin authority so Holy War - Jihad becomes just that for many…War.
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Donna…did you read my response? Jihad is an arabic word.

It means to struggle. Read the link i posted if you want to understand this better.
 
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LtTony:
Yes He did. That’s why they crucified Him.
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If someone told me they were God and i actually believed them…i would NEVER attempt to hurt them.

If I didnt believe them, and they did die…then they arent really God.

THey tried to kill him, but God answered Jesus’s (pbuh) prayer and saved him.

That they said (in boast), "we killed christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah.;- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not:- (Chapter #4, Verse #157)
 
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Munawar:
Hi Donna,

I think you’re behind truth yourself. The Red Cross has been raising Guantanamo Koran abuse concerns since back in 2002

reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=domesticNews&storyID=8549743

news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20050519/us_nm/religion_koran_icrc_dc_2

Munawar
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I would not be surprised if there was some abuse. The personnel are young, probably not well trained. And it is war, and may of these prisoners are murderers of women and children. So some guards may have made poor choices.
But the abuses were isolated and not systematic, as far as I can tell.
And I think the situation needs to be kept in perspective: Do you think a few holy books may have been abused when rival Muslims have attacked each others’ mosques?

Jim
 
**I think that God and the world would be better served if, rather than trying to convince Christians that jihad does not mean war, you would try to convince your fellow Muslims who are running around blowing things up and killing people. **
 
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Faith101:
If someone told me they were God and i actually believed them…i would NEVER attempt to hurt them.

If I didnt believe them, and they did die…then they arent really God.

THey tried to kill him, but God answered Jesus’s (pbuh) prayer and saved him.
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I think we will have to respectfully agree to disagree on the last statement. But the two prior indicate you may not understand some Christian basics: unbelievers killed Jesus for alleged blasphemy. Those who loved Jesus, for the most part, didn’t become true believers until He rose from the dead.

Jim
 
Munawar, Faith101, Shamsery and Maryam V.:
I would sincerely like to see a reply on my initial post in this thread. And also replies to the issues raised below below:

#1. Munawar: “You don’t need an authority to straighten out evil in any religion. that is not Islam. Islam does NOT condone these actions. Please try to separate individual muslims from Islam”
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Maranatha: “If two scholars disagree on an interpretation of the Qur’an or the Sunnah, which do you follow?”
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You’re telling me jihad isn’t a violent war, yet I see some muslims violently engaging in one. So there is some confusion apparently.

#2 tom.wineman : "How come all these peaceful Moslems are not over there straightening out the non peaceful Moslems ? Its nice to sit in this country espousing what the “true” Islam is but do nothing about it. And then is peace really for the infidels ?
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geezerbob: “I think that God and the world would be better served if, rather than trying to convince Christians that jihad does not mean war, you would try to convince your fellow Muslims who are running around blowing things up and killing people.”

Thanks, Jim
 
Thee difference Catholics don’t not sanction things like this. Moslem clerics all through the mideast make this call for jihad. I have not heard of one cleric in the middle east come on tv after 9-11 and say as some have said that , “it is not the peacful face of islam.” Islam has no peacful face. Since its creation its been a warring horde that has spread over parts of our world and subjugated our Christian brothers.
 
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Munawar:
Hello Maranatha,

The authentic Muslim is the one who follows the Quran and the Sunnah. Every Muslim knows this, and the ones that commit evil, KNOW they are committing evil.
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If a muslim completely follows Quran and Sunnah of false prophet Mohammed, then he is a terrorist. According to Allah and Mohammed, He is a Good Muslim.
If a muslim doesn’t follow Quran completely, then he is a Bad Muslim. Allah calls them as Hypocrites.

Today’s world needs Bad Muslims who don’t follow Quran.

Munawar, Stop pretending. Don’t try to give Sugar Coated picture of Islam.
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Munawar:
It is like homosexual priests. At the end of the day the Bible says Homosexuality is wrong, and any way you work it, it is unacceptable.
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How about Pedophile prophet ? At the end of the day Pedophilia is wrong, and any way your prophet worked it, it is unacceptable.
 
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A.Pelliccio:
Thee difference Catholics don’t not sanction things like this. Moslem clerics all through the mideast make this call for jihad. I have not heard of one cleric in the middle east come on tv after 9-11 and say as some have said that , “it is not the peacful face of islam.” Islam has no peacful face. Since its creation its been a warring horde that has spread over parts of our world and subjugated our Christian brothers.
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I don’t know what channel you watch or what Islamic website you visit but I am pretty sure that majority of the Muslims and their clerics condemned 9/11 and other terrorists acts of their people. You can also visit sites like www.informationclearinghouse.info for alternative news and commentaries.

manx
 
Proud Kafir:
If a muslim completely follows Quran and Sunnah of false prophet Mohammed, then he is a terrorist. According to Allah and Mohammed, He is a Good Muslim.
If a muslim doesn’t follow Quran completely, then he is a Bad Muslim. Allah calls them as Hypocrites.

Today’s world needs Bad Muslims who don’t follow Quran.

Munawar, Stop pretending. Don’t try to give Sugar Coated picture of Islam.

How about Pedophile prophet ? At the end of the day Pedophilia is wrong, and any way your prophet worked it, it is unacceptable.
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What about the Taqiyya ?

In Christ,
selvaraj
 
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RyanL:
Maryam V.,

Which country? Perhaps I’ve been there and have seen things you haven’t…

Shalom,
RyanL
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Maryam talking about Saudi Arabia, where Christians are living like Kings.(Can anyone explain the meaning of King?)
In Christ,
selvaraj
 
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geezerbob:
If that is the case, then we merely judge Islam by what we see Muslims doing. Nothing wrong with that. If Muslims don’t want to be identified with the terrorists, then perhaps they should do something about them. As long as we hear of imams preaching hatred for the west and encouraging violent acts, I see no reason for changing my opinion just because someone comes on this forum and says Islam is peaceful.
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You make excellent sense. By their fruit you shall know them. O Lord come. How long O Lord will you withhold your vengeance from upon those who kill our brothers and sisters? The king said not long as He gave His beloved martyrs a robed bleached bright in the blood of the Lamb. He gave them a crown and told them that when the number was fulfilled of those who would die for the faith then He would come. That number in 144,000. This number is symbolic to be sure. Diabolic schemes against righteous people have caused the deaths of many times that even in the last century. But the true Lord God Jesus Christ will judge those who butcher and enslave countless others in the name of Allah and Mohammed.

Maranatha, Lord Come.

Dan L
 
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Faith101:
The word “Jihad” is derived from the Arabic word “Jahd” which means fatigue or the word “Juhd” which means effort. A Mujahid is he who strives in the Cause of Allah and exerts efforts which makes him feel fatigued. The word “Jihad” means exerting effort to achieve a desired thing or prevent an undesired one. In other words, it is an effort that aims at bringing about benefit or preventing harm.

Jihad can be observed through any means and in any field whether material or moral. Among the types of Jihad are struggling against one’s desires, the accursed Satan, poverty, illiteracy, disease, and fighting all evil forces in the world.

This was taken from an answer to the question “what is jihad” For all those interested, here is the link

islam-online.net/fatwa/english/FatwaDisplay.asp?hFatwaID=18243
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This is of course why over two million Christians and animists have been killed by the Jihad of Muslims in Sudan in the last two decades. It is why Christians and Jews have been enslaved, killed, impoverished for nearly 1400 years all over North Africa, the Middle East and Asia. It is why young people blow themselves up and kill Israelis month after month. This is why airplanes were run into buildings in NY and Washington DC. This is why the world is divided into dar al Islam and dar al Harb.

I’d be willing to allow Islam to become the religion described by the posters here. I wish it were that relgion. I’m thankful that many Muslims apparently believe the way posters present their beliefs on this forum. We would offer you more than you know, but just to be able to live at peace would be nice. Just to see you honestly look at your own religion and actually renounce those things that are evil would be very nice.

I think true Christians reject the materialistic bent of much of Western culture. I think we must confess that we too often pretend that it is benign. We have plenty of unrighteousness within our ranks and it is not enough just to shrug our shoulders and pretend it does not matter.

Most of us here join with righteous Muslims who abhor these things. At the same time we have no theory like Jihad which encourages us to kill people or to enslave them for no other reason than they won’t convert to our way. It is not there and never has been.

Dan L
 
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