Viral video of 'irreverent' distribution of Eucharist during papal mass in Manila, Philippines

[robwar]

Perhaps no one cares anymore?

but the radical traditionalist. A Mass for seven million and we are fussing over some video taken in one small part of 7 million receiving communion. Let’s get real here. Why is someone video taping the Mass like this to begin with. Isn’t that person suppose to be praying not video tapping others receiving the Eucharist? I think the real sacrilege is that.

 

[ProVobis]

but the radical traditionalist.

How do you know this?

Judging by some of the posts here, it could have very well been some enthusiastic supporter of communion for everyone by whatever means necessary, no?

 

[Colorad007]

but the radical traditionalist. A Mass for seven million and we are fussing over some video taken in one small part of 7 million receiving communion. Let’s get real here. Why is someone video taping the Mass like this to begin with. Isn’t that person suppose to be praying not video tapping others receiving the Eucharist? I think the real sacrilege is that.

I hope that more than just “radical traditionalists” care enough about our Lord in the Eucharist to avoid such shameful abuses as that which evidently occurred in the Philippines.

 

[robwar]

How do you know this?

Judging by some of the posts here, it could have very well been some enthusiastic supporter of communion for everyone by whatever means necessary, no?

the link of the video didn’t work for me. I think it borders on the silly to have someone video a small part of the largest Mass ever then have devout and well meaning Catholics jump on that as liturgical abuse as if that was the intention, to abuse the liturgy. I think given the size of the Mass and the amount of people needed to distribute etc can be given some understanding and leeway in understanding. Instead, those that like to put themselves out there as liturgy police are not rejoicing in that this was a world record Mass but that someone unintentionally maybe not followed proper rubrics. From what I’ve read about “liturgy” abuse, part of what is or isn’t considered abuse is intent and purpose and based one some little video provided here, no one can judge this at all.

 

[JoyIsLikeRain]

I hope that more than just “radical traditionalists” care enough about our Lord in the Eucharist to avoid such shameful abuses as that which evidently occurred in the Philippines.

How is that a “shameful abuse”?

Some of these posts reek of 18th century “worthiness” used to keep the unwashed masses out of church.

Have you asked the Lord if He is shamed?

Have you talked to any Filipino present at that mass?
Have you asked them how worthy they are, or how Catholic they are?

Please, do these very things and then come back and report.

Otherwise, if you feel this is shameful, pray on it.
Pray for them.

But don’t sit on some forum and post away of how “shameful” some Catholics at a mass on the other side of the world are for receiving communion.

 

[robwar]

I hope that more than just “radical traditionalists” care enough about our Lord in the Eucharist to avoid such shameful abuses as that which evidently occurred in the Philippines.

How do you know it was “shameful” abuse? Are you a liturgy expert? You want to judge something based on one little video yet overlook that this was the biggest Mass ever? What is shameful here? Nit picky Catholics or maybe unintentional distribution in a 7 million person Mass?

 

[robwar]

How is that a “shameful abuse”?

Some of these posts reek of 18th century “worthiness” used to keep the unwashed masses out of church.

Have you asked the Lord if He is shamed?

Have you talked to any Filipino present at that mass?
Have you asked them how worthy they are, or how Catholic they are?

Please, do these very things and then come back and report.

Otherwise, if you feel this is shameful, pray on it.
Pray for them.

But don’t sit on some forum and post away of how “shameful” some Catholics at a mass on the other side of the world are for receiving communion.

exactly!

 

[ProVobis]

How do you know it was “shameful” abuse? Are you a liturgy expert?

Well, for starters, whether it’s 10 people or 7 million, every communion minister is instructed to say “Corpus Christi” or “Body of Christ.” I didn’t see any lips moving, did you? Only people seemingly having a good time in passing the hosts, two or three at a time. Having been on CAF for a few years, I know they would make a big deal about that on L&S among other things. And I think you know that, too.

 

[SWolf]

How is that a “shameful abuse”?

 

[Beryllos]

What a great and diverse forum we have here! And what a wonderful and diverse church throughout the world! Talk about the Body of Christ! (1 Corinthians 12?) Give thanks and praise to God! :bowdown2:

 

[robwar]

Well, for starters, whether it’s 10 people or 7 million, every communion minister is instructed to say “Corpus Christi” or “Body of Christ.” I didn’t see any lips moving, did you? Only people seemingly having a good time in passing the hosts, two or three at a time. Having been on CAF for a few years, I know they would make a big deal about that on L&S among other things. And I think you know that, too.

i was not able to view the link provided so I can’t say either way if lips were moving. Likewise, I do not know nor does anyone else here what dispensations might have been issued concerning the Eucharist considering the size of the Mass. It is unfair to judge a Papal Mass with a world record attendance based on one little video. It is shameful that too many Catholics want to jump on this bandwagon and nit pick over everything the Holy Father says and does. This wasn’t the Pope doing this. Give this a rest.

 

[LongingSoul]

Passing Jesus around like a beach ball in my mind constitutes abuse.

Passing Jesus around like a beach ball is just a snide interpretation of the scene. I see it as faithful people clamouring to be part of the Eucharist and close to Jesus. It is just like the scenes 2000 years ago when people wanted to be near Jesus and there are those trying to push them away because they aren’t doing it right and not following the protocols. So often Jesus addresses those peoples faith as the most important thing. Their state of the heart in wanting to be near Him, the Son of God. Never once does he take issue with the rules they’ve broken to just be near Him. On the contrary, He chastises those whose self appointed policing undermines His relationship with His faithful followers.

 

[CuriousAlways]

What if the Sacrament of Reconciliation were offered before Mass. Wonder how many folks would be “eager” to share in this sacrament to be closer to Jesus?

After reading the thread and not having watched the video beforehand I was expecting to see a “free-for-all” which when I did watch the video I really didn’t see and it seemed more of a desire among the folks to make sure everyone who wanted to receive the Lord did not get left out - but given that - it still is of great concern to me that it was not done in accordance with what I have been accustomed to - that a priest or deacon etc say the words and the person receiving the body and blood of Christ answer with an Amen. Also, I wonder if any of the hosts were dropped accidently? Yikes.

One Christmas I saw a non-Catholic at our Catholic church who came up with her husband and received communion but am sure they were not aware of the Catholic teachings on transubstantiation. I have even heard non-Catholics say “oh well, aren’t all religions alike?”. Non-Catholics are frequently not even aware that being in the state of grace is required and they do not know there is a fasting period prior to receiving the Holy Eucharist. I worry more about the mishandling of the Holy Eucharist in such cases? When I read about that satanic mass and how those folks might have taken a consecrated host - why that was very worrisome.

Same thing could happen in such a large crowd of 7 million? Who knows who is there?

 

[robwar]

What if the Sacrament of Reconciliation were offered before Mass. Wonder how many folks would be “eager” to share in this sacrament to be closer to Jesus?

After reading the thread and not having watched the video beforehand I was expecting to see a “free-for-all” which when I did watch the video I really didn’t see and it seemed more of a desire among the folks to make sure everyone who wanted to receive the Lord did not get left out - but given that - it still is of great concern to me that it was not done in accordance with what I have been accustomed to - that a priest or deacon etc say the words and the person receiving the body and blood of Christ answer with an Amen. Also, I wonder if any of the hosts were dropped accidently? Yikes.

One Christmas I saw a non-Catholic at our Catholic church who came up with her husband and received communion but am sure they were not aware of the Catholic teachings on transubstantiation. I have even heard non-Catholics say “oh well, aren’t all religions alike?”. Non-Catholics are frequently not even aware that being in the state of grace is required and they do not know there is a fasting period prior to receiving the Holy Eucharist. I worry more about the mishandling of the Holy Eucharist in such cases? When I read about that satanic mass and how those folks might have taken a consecrated host - why that was very worrisome.

Same thing could happen in such a large crowd of 7 million? Who knows who is there?

Who was there, seven million people, a world record.

 

[boar2roar]

This is wrong its not a collection basket meant to be passed down row to row… Pre Vatican 2 didn’t you have to kneel and recieve it directly from the priest let alone this, and now its like a salsa dip getting passed around with your hands up in the air calling for it.

 

[CatholicWhovian]

As a Filipino I have to speak out. I say we do things differently here. My Theology professor was right. This, shall I call, “stinginess” with regards to liturgy is a mainly Western thing.

And if a crowd of seven million people - faithful, reverent people I might add - would want to receive Jesus then what’s stopping them? Some of the posts in this thread who feel “abhorrent” about this sound like something out of a Pharisee. Remember when Zacchaeus wanted to listen and reach out to Jesus but can’t because it was too crowded? They are like the people in the Mass.

And besides, since that these people are passing the Eucharist to other people means that there is a sense of reverence that people would want to share that reverence to others and would want others to receive the grace of God. Isn’t that what the Church is supposed to be? The Body of Christ - a communion of people working and helping each other so everyone in it can receive the grace of Christ? I say the papal mass is a great metaphor for what the Church is supposed to be.

I trust that they are aware that they are holding the Body of Christ. Most Filipinos go to Mass, unlike in the West. They know the protocol well. Maybe the people who see this as “abhorrent” are envious of our strong faith as a people?

 

[ProVobis]

i was not able to view the link provided so I can’t say either way if lips were moving. Likewise, I do not know nor does anyone else here what dispensations might have been issued concerning the Eucharist considering the size of the Mass. It is unfair to judge a Papal Mass with a world record attendance based on one little video. It is shameful that too many Catholics want to jump on this bandwagon and nit pick over everything the Holy Father says and does. This wasn’t the Pope doing this. Give this a rest.

For the record, the video didn’t show the Pope distributing communion but one minister passing it out and all kinds of hands were involved in a very small amount of space. More hands were moving than feet. Weren’t there even broken hosts in the air? Maybe the rest of the estimated 7 million were a lot more orderly, I don’t know. There had been large crowds in Cuba and Mexico too for Papal Masses btw so it should not have come as a surprise that people in the Philippines would turn out as well. Poor planning if anything.

 

[SWolf]

As a Filipino I have to speak out. I say we do things differently here. My Theology professor was right. This, shall I call, “stinginess” with regards to liturgy is a mainly Western thing.

And if a crowd of seven million people - faithful, reverent people I might add - would want to receive Jesus then what’s stopping them? Some of the posts in this thread who feel “abhorrent” about this sound like something out of a Pharisee. Remember when Zacchaeus wanted to listen and reach out to Jesus but can’t because it was too crowded? They are like the people in the Mass.

And besides, since that these people are passing the Eucharist to other people means that there is a sense of reverence that people would want to share that reverence to others and would want others to receive the grace of God. Isn’t that what the Church is supposed to be? The Body of Christ - a communion of people working and helping each other so everyone in it can receive the grace of Christ? I say the papal mass is a great metaphor for what the Church is supposed to be.

I trust that they are aware that they are holding the Body of Christ. Most Filipinos go to Mass, unlike in the West. They know the protocol well. Maybe the people who see this as “abhorrent” are envious of our strong faith as a people?

There have been instances of Masses with over a million where Communion was administered by priests in the proper fashion. It can, and should, be done this way.

If that’s not possible, there’s no need for every person to receive communion. None.

It was poor planning, plain and simple.

If that makes me a Pharisee, take it up with the Vatican.

REDEMPTIONIS SACRAMENTUM
94. It is not licit for the faithful “to take . . . by themselves . . . and, still less, to hand . . . from one to another” the sacred host or the sacred chalice.181

 

[ProVobis]

I trust that they are aware that they are holding the Body of Christ. Most Filipinos go to Mass, unlike in the West. They know the protocol well. Maybe the people who see this as “abhorrent” are envious of our strong faith as a people?

Hopefully then they didn’t just come out and see the Pope. When Pope John Paul II said Mass in Chicago back in 1980 he drew quite a crowd too. I know there were people there who normally hadn’t gone to Mass on a regular basis.

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[CatholicWhovian]

There have been instances of Masses with over a million where Communion was administered by priests in the proper fashion. It can, and should, be done this way.

If that’s not possible, there’s no need for every person to receive communion. None.

But if that happened, what if they wanted to take communion and were saddened by the fact that they didn’t receive communion?

If that makes me a Pharisee, take it up with the Vatican.

REDEMPTIONIS SACRAMENTUM
94. It is not licit for the faithful “to take . . . by themselves . . . and, still less, to hand . . . from one to another” the sacred host or the sacred chalice.181

When I said that most Filipinos know the protocol well they know why they should take in the Eucharist and how sacred the Body of Christ is.

I have to make an excuse with this one, since I’ve found myself rethinking on some things. Most of the people in the Papal Mass were poor and don’t have enough education, so it’s not really their fault for being ignorant about the thing, and the way they see it, it’s a gesture of kindness and community.

Is Redemptionis Sacramentum required for Catholic schools and parishes to be taught? From what I remember that didn’t appear in any of my Christian Living lessons. And I’m Catholic school born and bred, like most Filipinos are.