Virgin Mary apparitions at Green Bay-area shrine recognized as first in U.S

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Rich_Olszewski said:
Yes, it could seem that way. There have been only 64 Lourdes’ miracles recognised by
the Church in the last 152 years since 1858. Given the thousands upon thousands of pilgrims who have gone there in the hope of a miraculous cure, it’s a miniscule number. There are no “certified” cures that occurred at Fatima.

I guess that those apparitions, for those who accept them, do more to bolster the faith of those people than to prove anything or provide more revelation to the Church.
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Bear in mind that barely anyone reports cures. It would mean going through the hassle of getting medical notes and sometimes there’s not enough poof even if they do report it.

My mum was cured of TB (it was impossible to cure it when she was younger, you had to have a lung collapsed). She was about to have her lung collapsed but went to Lourdes as the last resort. When she came back she had a Doctor’s appointment and all the bacteria had gone. It never returned.

She hasn’t reported this as a miracle, even though she has a large quantity of Doctor’s notes to prove it. She also knew someone who spent some time working at Lourdes. They told her all the miracles they had witnessed, but they are so frequent that they are rarely reported.

One time, they were standing in the water and this man was carrying a large wooden cross on his back (I can’t remember what the event was). Suddenly before everyone’s eyes it started turning into gold. They had it tested and it was real solid gold. This wasn’t made public. Miracles happen all the time at Lourdes, which is why a big deal isn’t made out of them.

I was cured by the Green Scapular but haven’t reported it because God’s always answering prayers :). He never leaves us.
 
Thyme said:
My mum was cured of TB (it was impossible to cure it when she was younger, you had to have a lung collapsed). She was about to have her lung collapsed but went to Lourdes as the last resort. When she came back she had a Doctor’s appointment and all the bacteria had gone. It never returned …

One time, they were standing in the water and this man was carrying a large wooden cross on his back (I can’t remember what the event was). Suddenly before everyone’s eyes it started turning into gold. They had it tested and it was real solid gold. This wasn’t made public. Miracles happen all the time at Lourdes, which is why a big deal isn’t made out of them.

I was cured by the Green Scapular but haven’t reported it because God’s always answering prayers :). He never leaves us.
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Nice uplifting commentary. Currently our three sons (who left the Church some time ago) are now praying a decade every day with my husband and me. One of them even requested a Miraculous Medal and a St. Benedict Medal which he placed on his neck chain. This might not sound like much, but it is a miracle – through the recitation of the rosary, and various novenas, attendance at daily mass, etc. Now, to keep going and eventually get them back to Confession and in the Church pew. 🙂
 
Mary pondered all through her life, from Jesus birth to His Death and probably till the ressurection of her Son. The difference for us is.

Here : Luke 11: 27 As he said this, a woman in the crowd raised her voice and said to him, “Blessed is the womb that bore you, and the breasts that you sucked!”
28 But he said, “Blessed rather are those who hear the word of God and keep it!”

We all here the word of God in the gospels, Mary,Peter,John etc.etc.etc., the infancy narritive in luke is rich, as she proclaims, generations shall call me blessed. Much to think about and ponder about especially Jesus reference to His Mother and us if we keep it, the Word of God.

God Bless
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:confused:I’m confused.

Our Lady of America and Our Lady of Good Help, both seem to have been approved by the local Bishop.

OLA recieved apporval of her journal, but no decision has been made on the apparitions themselves.

OLGH, the Bishop appears to have approved the apparitions.

I believe the difference here is that with OLA the Bishop granted imprimatur to the journal, marking it as being a non-offensive/Church approved document. This is an entirely different thing from approving the apparitions themselves, as is the case with Our Lady of Good Help.

Anyone know if that’s correct?
 
Netty313 said:
Nice uplifting commentary. Currently our three sons (who left the Church some time ago) are now praying a decade every day with my husband and me. One of them even requested a Miraculous Medal and a St. Benedict Medal which he placed on his neck chain. This might not sound like much, but it is a miracle – through the recitation of the rosary, and various novenas, attendance at daily mass, etc. Now, to keep going and eventually get them back to Confession and in the Church pew. 🙂
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Thank you for sharing this. I am really hapy for you! I am certain they will get back to Confession with all this spiritual aid 👍
 
Rich_Olszewski said:
Correct.

There’s a reason for that. "… the influence of the human element still exists. Authentic images and visions are always transmitted to us, in the words of Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger, Prefect of the Congregation of the Doctrine of Faith, “through the filter of our senses, which carry out a work of translation…” and “…are influenced by the potentialities and limitations of the perceiving subject” (Cardinal Ratzinger, Theological Commentary In Preparation for the Release of the Third Part of the Secret of Fatima, L 'Osservatore Romano, June 28, 2000).

Unlike Holy Scripture, private revelations are never binding upon the conscience of the faithful. They are a help in understanding the signs of the times and to help live more fully the Gospel.

Private revelations are, however, binding on the person who has received them.
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Sounds like a nice way to be able to say “One true faith!” and avoid answering hard questions about the evidence.
 
cyberwolf001 said:
Sounds like a nice way to be able to say “One true faith!” and avoid answering hard questions about the evidence.
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There is evidence to prove these miracles happened, but they are not dogmatic because they do not change the fundamentals of our belief system. If you are curious, you should google “incoruptibles.”
 
MarcellusW said:
There is evidence to prove these miracles happened, but they are not dogmatic because they do not change the fundamentals of our belief system. If you are curious, you should google “incoruptibles.”
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Or The Miracle at Fatima, which even anti-religion newspapers reported and 70,000 people witnessed. They put it down to some natural phenomena, but it happened at the exact day and time the children said it would (hence the already gathered crowd).
 
MarcellusW said:
There is evidence to prove these miracles happened, but they are not dogmatic because they do not change the fundamentals of our belief system. If you are curious, you should google “incoruptibles.”
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They have all been shown to be wax and preservation methods.
 
cyberwolf001 said:
They have all been shown to be wax and preservation methods.
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What about the ones which have finally began to decay a bit so have been burried again, or the Saints’ whos bodies were dug up (to see if they wer incorruptable) and turned out to be. Were these waxed?

Speaking of miracles, I have a really nice story to tell everyone and it is slightly of topic but anyway…

I was talking to my Prest today. He used to be an Anglican Priest and I asked him why he converted. He said that he was at Our Lady of Walsingham’s shrine in a chapel on his own in the evening praying. He had his eyes close and thought he was looking ahead/slightly down. When he opened his eyes, he was looking at a mosaic of Mary with a Host on the ceiling and heard a voice saying, “I want you to belong to the true Church, the Church that my Son built”.

When he went home, he told his wife and she was happy because she had also wanted to convert :).
 
Thyme said:
What about the ones which have finally began to decay a bit so have been burried again, or the Saints’ whos bodies were dug up (to see if they wer incorruptable) and turned out to be. Were these waxed?

Speaking of miracles, I have a really nice story to tell everyone and it is slightly of topic but anyway…

I was talking to my Prest today. He used to be an Anglican Priest and I asked him why he converted. He said that he was at Our Lady of Walsingham’s shrine in a chapel on his own in the evening praying. He had his eyes close and thought he was looking ahead/slightly down. When he opened his eyes, he was looking at a mosaic of Mary with a Host on the ceiling and heard a voice saying, “I want you to belong to the true Church, the Church that my Son built”.

When he went home, he told his wife and she was happy because she had also wanted to convert :).
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That’s fantastic! Our Lady of Walsingham, pray for us. :signofcross:
 
stanmaxkolbe said:
Virgin Mary apparitions at Green Bay-area shrine recognized as first in U.S.

Approval puts Shrine of Our Lady of Good Help in same category as Lourdes, Guadalupe and Fatima

A shrine in the town of Green Bay is one of only a handful in the world — and the sole location in the United States — officially designated as a place where the Virgin Mary appeared.

David Ricken, the bishop of the Catholic Diocese of Green Bay, announced today his official approval of the Marian apparitions at the Shrine of Our Lady of Good Help in Champion during a special Mass for the Feast of the Immaculate Conception.
Read rest of article:
greenbaypressgazette.com/article/20101208/GPG0101/101208049/1207&located=rss
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Sheesh, Stan! I just got the email and was going to post it and here you went and posted it a long time ago. I am behind the times and quite irritated.

Just kiddin’ ya. It’s wonderful news!!

Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee!
Blessed art thou among women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus.
Holy Mary! Mother of God!
Please pray for us sinners now,
and at the hour of our death.

Amen.
Amen!!!
 
purplesunshine said:
Excuse me if I’m being daft, but I’m still clueless as to exactly what the message was…it just seems to say “fatima-esque” didn’t anyone write anything down? Fatima had prophesy and many other things…anything here…or just “girl was praying/people got cured” seems pretty innocuous and boring to me.
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Innocuous and boring??? :eek: Oy vey!!

The theotokos APPEARS to a young woman and it’s innocuous and boring?? That sounds like a B ticket ride at Disneyland - not the miraculous appearance of the Blessed Virgin!!

Here is more of the story:

Decree on the Authenticity of the Apparitions of 1859
at the Shrine of Our Lady of Good Help
Diocese of Green Bay

For over one hundred fifty-one years, a continuous flow of the faithful has come to Champion, Wisconsin to pray, to seek solace and comfort in times of trouble and to petition Our Lord Jesus Christ through the powerful intercession to Our Lady of Good Help.

Incessant prayer has gone up in this place based upon the word of a young Belgian immigrant woman, Adele Brise, who in October 1859 said that the Blessed Mother, a Lady clothed in dazzling white, had appeared to her on this site.

The Lady was elevated slightly in a bright light and gave words of solace and comfort and a bold and challenging mission for the young immigrant woman. The Lady gave her a two-fold mission of prayer for the conversion of sinners and catechesis. “I am the Queen of Heaven who prays for the conversion of sinners, and I wish you to do the same. You received Holy Communion this morning and that is well. But you must do more. Make a general confession and offer Communion for the conversion of sinners… Gather the children in this wild country and teach them what they should know for salvation… Teach them their catechism, how to sign themselves with the sign of the Cross, and how to approach the sacraments; that is what I wish you to do. Go and fear nothing, I will help you.”

Adele Brise began immediately to fulfill the mandate and mission entrusted to her by the Lady and oftentimes at great personal sacrifice went to the homes of the children to instruct them in the largely unsettled and forested area in Wisconsin. Adele was ever obedient to the authorities of the Church and steadfast in the mission entrusted to her by Our Lady, no matter what difficulty she encountered.

For more info, click on the following link:
catholicculture.org/culture/library/view.cfm?recnum=9484

I have to go lie down. I have a headache. 😦
 
CatholicFireman said:
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Madame Tussauds says so. :rolleyes:

I hear they have the contract with the Vatican. :rotfl:
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:rotfl::rotfl:

(the second one is part of the wax exhibit of Marie Antoinette).

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CatholicFireman said:
sarcasm alert

Madame Tussauds says so. :rolleyes:

I hear they have the contract with the Vatican. :rotfl:
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Actually the first person to tell me this was an Orthodox Priest. So who is Madame Tussauds?

As for where:

catholicpilgrims.com/lourdes/bb_bernadette_body.htm Just it ctrl F and type in wax and you’ll find this:
In 1925, the third and final exhumation of the body was conducted. This was the occasion during which relics of the sacred body of Bernadette would be taken. Doctor Comte was again asked to conduct the procedure. Once the surgical part was over, he had the body swathed in bandages leaving only the face and hands free. Bernadette’s body was then put back into the coffin, but left uncovered. At this point, a precise imprint of the face was molded so that the firm of Pierre Imans in Paris could make a light wax mask based on the imprints and on some genuine photos. This was common practice for relics in France, as it was feared that although the body was mummified, the blackish tinge to the face and the sunken eyes and nose would make an unpleasant impression on the public. Imprints of the hands were also taken for the presentation of the body. Three years later in 1928, Doctor Comte published a report on the exhumation of the Blessed Bernadette in the second issue of the Bulletin de I’Association medicale de Notre–Dame de Lourdes.
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Here is an incorruptible without the wax mask and covering Link Looks like any other mummy from any other group.

Link

Just CTRL F and type wax. Now if these bodies and organs are really NOT corrupt why place them inside wax or give them a waxen covering?

Many bodies have been exhumed that show these signs and it is nothing more than different rates of decay sometimes based on how the body has been buried.
 
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