Virginia bishops urge Catholics to shift focus of death penalty debate

[LongingSoul]

Ender , he said " bound to invite controversy "and was descriptive. Nothing shows this archbishop is either for or against what those two ( now 3 ) Popes were saying.
Hierarchy is respected in the Church.

In fact Gregory stands solidly with the Church in its opposition to the death penalty. His use of the word ‘departure’ obviously refers to departure from a previous line and not a departure from doctrine. The Archbishops truncated quote above was taken out of context as the paragraph was clearly prefaced to make that distinction.

**It is clear to many observers that the Catholic Church has undergone a development in its teaching on the death penalty. Only in the last 40 years of its history has the church come out against state-sponsored executions, except in highly delimited circumstances. Such a departure from previous teaching, which stretches back almost two millennia, is bound to invite controversy within the ranks of the Catholic faithful.

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[graciew]

In fact Gregory stands solidly with the Church in its opposition to the death penalty. His use of the word ‘departure’ obviously refers to departure from a previous line and not a departure from doctrine. The Archbishops truncated quote above was taken out of context as the paragraph was clearly prefaced to make that distinction.

**It is clear to many observers that the Catholic Church has undergone *a development in its teaching ***on the death penalty. Only in the last 40 years of its history has the church come out against state-sponsored executions, except in highly delimited circumstances. Such a departure from previous teaching, which stretches back almost two millennia, is bound to invite controversy within the ranks of the Catholic faithful.

ccgaction.org/node/1126

Thank you !

 

[Ender]

In fact Gregory stands solidly with the Church in its opposition to the death penalty.

This is true. It is nonetheless irrelevant. The point being discussed is whether the teaching on capital punishment expressed in EV and the 1997 edition of the catechism is new or was “always the position of the church” as alleged by *pianistclare *in post #101.

His use of the word ‘departure’ obviously refers to departure from a previous line and not a departure from doctrine.

The previous “line” being the doctrine Abp. Gregory refers to as one that “stretches back nearly two millennia.” Your observation, although you clearly do not recognize it, proves my assertion. Gregory was pointing out that the change is in fact recent; as you said, it is a “departure”.

The Archbishops truncated quote above was taken out of context as the paragraph was clearly prefaced to make that distinction.

That I didn’t cite the entire passage does not mean what I cited was taken out of context, especially in this instance as your inclusion simply reinforces the very point I was making, a point I reiterated to graciew and that she acknowledged:

The point being discussed was whether the church’s opposition to the use of capital punishment was new, that’s all…Ender
You are right ,I missed the point ,I see. …graciew

Ender​

 

[pianistclare]

Wait, you cited ABG as a source, but now his position is irrelevant?



I’m unsubscribing. This thread has gone well past it’s educational value.

 

[Ender]

Wait, you cited ABG as a source, but now his position is irrelevant?

I cited Abp Gregory because of his statement that church opposition to capital punishment had developed in the last 40 years. His personal stance on this new position is indeed irrelevant to that point. Either church opposition is new or it isn’t. Does it really complicate things that I address one point at a time?

Ender