Virginity and marriage.

[AdamP88]

**Isn’t that a bit of a naive view though? **I mean if out amoung the secualr majority most guys view porn and without a “alone with wifi” compulsion.

Ie: if they have someone to do they have no interest in porn.

I am confused at the assumption of porn "addiction"

While we are assuming the sex having person is a holy roller who doesn’t drop trou for everyone lol.

Don’t both have lines and degrees?

I mean one poster on here for example is an atheist not caring of premarital as a requirement of virtue. Yet I believe her to be faithful to her husband.

Surely she may not be “perfect” under catholic morality but also is not exactly a hoe. So if you were to argue that having sex can be without hoe/manhoe status then wouldn’t degrees apply to the porn as well?

How is it naive?

Porn is addictive. It’s designed to be. The whole thing is to get someone hooked then to make them desire it more and in more extreme forms. I can see how one can consume alcohol in moderation, I can see how someone can even take some drugs in moderation…but I honestly think it’s very difficult if not impossible to exercise moderation in use of porn. Some scientific studies have shown that porn can be more addictive than heroin.
I’m assuming addiction because that seem to be the nature of what porn does.

 

[LethalMouse]

I suspect that starshiptrooper may be one of the Dalrock following, MGTOW style guys. His focus on certain statistics and the idea that any non-virgin is automatically promiscuous and will drag the man through the divorce courts is certainly consistent with that type of thought.

I recently saw this MGTOW and I consider it as equally evil as feminism.

And is the exact reason why I am against group centric groups because they always turn out like that.

 

[AdamP88]

Oh, but there is a point in bringing statistics into this debate. Given a 50% divorce rate and the fact that 70% of all divorces are initiated by the woman, that means **you have a 1 in 3 chance that your wife will arbitrarily expose you to the cruel whims of Western family law. ** You would have better odds playing Russian Roulette even if you used a revolver with only 5 chambers instead of six.

How do you know? You know nothing about us. You have no other information to form an opinion except that I’m arguing a particular viewpoint on this thread. Any “data” you have is assumed. You couldn’t possibly calculate any accurate odds of divorce for one particular couple unless you had access to all relevant data to make a statistical calculation.

You don’t so you can’t. Unless you’re either psychic or an angel.

 

[AdamP88]

He has a quite terrible view on things lol
He said in the other thread that it’s not rape if the woman was heavily drunk to the point where she couldn’t talk properly (and the guy is not) and the guy have to take off her clothes because she was still ‘conscious’
And then talked about how courts are against men etc etc.

I don’t know if it’s right to take him seriously

Eww. Well that’s not creepy at all.

:ehh:

 

[LethalMouse]

How is it naive?

Porn is addictive. It’s designed to be. The whole thing is to get someone hooked then to make them desire it more and in more extreme forms. I can see how one can consume alcohol in moderation, I can see how someone can even take some drugs in moderation…but I honestly think it’s very difficult if not impossible to exercise moderation in use of porn. Some scientific studies have shown that porn can be more addictive than heroin.
**I’m assuming addiction because that seem to be the nature **of what porn does.

By that logic since alcohol is considered one of the most addictive things in existence, everyone who has a drink is an alcoholic?

And is sex not addictive?

Most people who I have met find putting a cork on it once the seal is broken rather difficult. Even non porn, non masterbation women/men. Once sex even when getting religiontend to faulter over and over again because it is habit/addictive.

 

[LethalMouse]

He has a quite terrible view on things lol
He said in the other thread that it’s not rape if the woman was heavily drunk to the point where she couldn’t talk properly (and the guy is not) and the guy have to take off her clothes because she was still ‘conscious’
And then talked about how courts are against men etc etc.

I don’t know if it’s right to take him seriously

You should really link when saying something like that. Idk if he did or did not say that, I tried to peek but there is much posting.

But is is a bit uncouth that you have now placed into my mind the idea this guy is all about raping unconscious women without backing it up. A bit slanderous

However if he did then for shame on him.

I am torn on such a judgement, as he seems a bit more on a particular side of the issues. But his posts haven’t fully bridged the extremes.

Plus to the poster listing him as into that MGTOW again a bit slanderous as I stated I consider anyone who buys into that to be particularly poor in character and you have now without evidence declared he subscribe to it.

Tis of questionable fairness all the suggestive posts about a cat and his supposed ways.

 

[Rau]

By that logic since alcohol is considered one of the most addictive things in existence, everyone who has a drink is an alcoholic?

I was not aware that alcohol is considered widely addictive. I understood it affected relatively few in that way.

 

[LethalMouse]

I was not aware that alcohol is considered widely addictive. I understood it affected relatively few in that way.

promises.com/resources/addiction-articles/why-is-alcohol-addictive/

My main arguement is in both avenues if it is true for one jt is true for all.

In that posters apply only one side to seperste items when in fact there are multiple sides to each.

If one addictive can be used without another can

If one peesons sin can find virtue, the other can

And visa versa

 

[AdamP88]

By that logic since alcohol is considered one of the most addictive things in existence, everyone who has a drink is an alcoholic?

Actually. I didn’t say that at all. It’s not even implied. An alcohol addict might be dangerous, violent and abusive, but I’d rather have an alcohol addict in the family than a porn addict.

As Ted Bundy famously said: “I’ve met a lot of men who were motivated to commit violence just like me. And without exception, without question, every one of them was deeply involved in pornography. “

Every man that views child porn starts out with adult porn.

As far as I’m concerned porn is infinitely more dangerous than alcohol. And even someone who uses it in moderation is always in danger of becoming more addicted.

 

[starshiptrooper]

And yet, you seem totally uninterested in the other demographic features that produce lasting marriages that I listed upthread…

Most of those are common sense. Ideology is important for long term relationships. So is income. Education obviously because otherwise conversations around the dinner table are boring. As for age, as I pointed out earlier, women initiate the majority of most divorces. As they get older, they will have difficulty finding another partner and run the greater risk of being alone.

I suspect that starshiptrooper may be one of the Dalrock following, MGTOW style guys. His focus on certain statistics and the idea that any non-virgin is automatically promiscuous and will drag the man through the divorce courts is certainly consistent with that type of thought.

I took the red pill 2 years ago and yes I read the usual suspects including Return of Kings, Chateau Heartiste, The Rational Male, Dalrock and The Red Pill subreddit. I still have not made an ultimate decision on how to react to the information. Whether that means kids, marriage, spinning plates or MGTOW, I still have time to figure that part out.

Let’s not act as if women are evil creatures that love divorces and are responsible for it. Women may be the ones that asked for a divorce, but men may be the ones that drive them to it (infidelity, porn, abuse, lack of romance, etc). The statistic does not show what led to the initiation of a divorce

It is a low risk high reward proposition for women, that is all I will say on that matter.

He has a quite terrible view on things lol
He said in the other thread that it’s not rape if the woman was heavily drunk to the point where she couldn’t talk properly (and the guy is not) and the guy have to take off her clothes because she was still ‘conscious’
And then talked about how courts are against men etc etc.

I don’t know if it’s right to take him seriously

I would be more concerned if you were not calling my views terrible. It would mean that I would be losing my edge.

As for your claim, here is what I said. forums.catholic-questions.org/showpost.php?p=14121978&postcount=70 Everybody else can make up their own minds from there.

 

[LethalMouse]

Actually. I didn’t say that at all. It’s not even implied. An alcohol addict might be dangerous, violent and abusive, but I’d rather have an alcohol addict in the family than a porn addict.

As Ted Bundy famously said: “I’ve met a lot of men who were motivated to commit violence just like me. And without exception, without question, every one of them was deeply involved in pornography. “

Every man that views child porn starts out with adult porn.

As far as I’m concerned porn is infinitely more dangerous than alcohol. And even someone who uses it in moderation is always in danger of becoming more addicted.

Feel free to fact check but in my fastest search 84% of men and 31% of women are pedophiles???

Because apparently porn watching makes you into child porn per you.

And since 1 out of every 3 women watches porn next time you are in a room with 100 women remeber 30 or so are pedophiles.

If in a room with 100 men remember that about 84 of then are pedophiles.

Dang… apparently soddom and Gomorrah got nothing on this child raping society of ours… where our fireballs at?

 

[Rau]

promises.com/resources/addiction-articles/why-is-alcohol-addictive/

My main arguement is in both avenues if it is true for one jt is true for all.

In that posters apply only one side to seperste items when in fact there are multiple sides to each.

If one addictive can be used without another can

If one peesons sin can find virtue, the other can

And visa versa

Once one is addicted, addictions look rather similar regardless of the substance. But the ease with which one may become addicted varies greatly from one object of addition to another (and from one person to another).

It is a fact that millions of people (the majority) drink some alcohol and do not become addicted.

In contrast, cigarettes are found addictive by a far larger proportion of those who indulge. Occasional use of cigarettes is relatively rare, while occasional use of alcohol is commonplace.

 

[LethalMouse]

Most of those are common sense. Ideology is important for long term relationships. So is income. Education obviously because otherwise conversations around the dinner table are boring. As for age, as I pointed out earlier, women initiate the majority of most divorces. As they get older, they will have difficulty finding another partner and run the greater risk of being alone.I took the red pill 2 years ago and yes I read the usual suspects including Return of Kings, Chateau Heartiste, The Rational Male, Dalrock and The Red Pill subreddit. I still have not made an ultimate decision on how to react to the information. Whether that means kids, marriage, spinning plates or MGTOW, I still have time to figure that part out.It is a low risk high reward proposition for women, that is all I will say on that matter.

I would be more concerned if you were not calling my views terrible. It would mean that I would be losing my edge.

As for your claim, here is what I said. forums.catholic-questions.org/showpost.php?p=14121978&postcount=70 Everybody else can make up their own minds from there.

Noting your objection to feminism please note most of the resources are a man version of the same. Good you say you haven’t dove in

But don’t lest you be as bad as the one’s you are against.

As to the drunk thing… meh I know your point as it was in the apparent “definition” of rape. And clearly in real life minus legalism it either is or is not.

But in fairness to Lea101 you did come down sounding on the extreme and close enough to what she said.

And you might want to evaluate your anger level in lending yourself to creeper status

 

[Xantippe]

Whether that means kids, marriage, spinning plates or MGTOW, I still have time to figure that part out.It is a low risk high reward proposition for women, that is all I will say on that matter.

For the uninitiated, “spinning plates” means attempting to simultaneously keep several relationships going at the same time.

For any of our young female readers who are puzzled by male admirers who come and go unpredictably–some of those guys are attempting that particular model. So, if he doesn’t respond within a reasonable amount of time or doesn’t seem very available, it’s likely there’s somebody else in the picture.

SST,

Marriage and childbearing are a pretty big investment for women, too. Choose wrong, and it’s a lifetime of struggle and poverty.

Presumably, that’s one of the reasons that many US women aren’t in a hurry to get marry and have children these days–because they understand that having a family requires immense sacrifice and self-denial and that it’s easy to choose wrong and wind up having to carry most of the load alone.

If marriage and divorce were 100% cash and prizes and leisure for women, every girl would be rushing to get married at 18.

 

[AdamP88]

Feel free to fact check but in my fastest search 84% of men and 31% of women are pedophiles???

Because apparently porn watching makes you into child porn per you.

And since 1 out of every 3 women watches porn next time you are in a room with 100 women remeber 30 or so are pedophiles.

If in a room with 100 men remember that about 84 of then are pedophiles.

Dang… apparently soddom and Gomorrah got nothing on this child raping society of ours… where our fireballs at?

Ouch…the sarcasm, it burns.

If you want to defend viewing pornography that’s your business. I never said that EVERYONE who views porn will turn into a sex predator. But I certainly think that that outcome is more likely than if you don’t view pornography.

Essentially, my point was that porn can bring just as much, if not more problems into marriage than fornication.

 

[LethalMouse]

WTH spinning plates???

I seriously thought i read spinning, pilates LMAO

Okay dude No don’t do that lol

And how can you have the mental energy for that? Lol wth

 

[ToeInTheWater]

Ouch…the sarcasm, it burns.

If you want to defend viewing pornography that’s your business. I never said that EVERYONE who views porn will turn into a sex predator. But I certainly think that that outcome is more likely than if you don’t view pornography.

Essentially, my point was that porn can bring just as much, if not more problems into marriage than fornication.

Why do I get the feeling that you either don’t have a porn problem or easily overcame one, and hence feel quite justified in bashing people who suffer with that particular permutation of sexual sin?

If we’re going to be charitable to people who engage in premarital sex, seems we also need to be charitable to those who use porn. The vast majority of BOTH populations are never going to become sexual predators, pedophiles, or serial killers.

 

[LethalMouse]

Ouch…the sarcasm, it burns.

If you want to defend viewing pornography that’s your business. I never said that EVERYONE who views porn will turn into a sex predator. But I certainly think that that outcome is more likely than if you don’t view pornography.

Essentially, my point was that porn can bring just as much, if not more problems into marriage than fornication.

I’m not defending it, I was just noting the tone of the posts which was basically going:

Sex sex sex goes into no sex and perfect virtue

Porn porn porn goes into more porn, impotence and pedophilia with no chance they found virtue.

Seemed one sides and illogical so I bring the other side because that is how we internet

 

[Rau]

As for your claim, here is what I said. forums.catholic-questions.org/showpost.php?p=14121978&postcount=70 Everybody else can make up their own minds from there.

Yep, certainly helped clarify things for me. This interchange especially caught my eye:
Other poster asks:
*"…women file the vast majority of divorces, the question is, is it their fault in all those cases?"*You reply:
“Yes.”
and give as a reason for that view:
“Divorce is a low risk high reward proposition for most women.”

Apparently, men can do no wrong, and women are always at fault when a marriage fails.

 

[AdamP88]

I took the red pill 2 years ago and yes I read the usual suspects including Return of Kings, Chateau Heartiste, The Rational Male, Dalrock and The Red Pill subreddit. I still have not made an ultimate decision on how to react to the information. Whether that means kids, marriage, spinning plates or MGTOW

Spinning plates? So let me get this straight…it’s ok for you to be a “playa” but wouldn’t marry a non-virgin woman?

Talk about double standards.

Sounds to me like RedPill is just an excuse to never commit to a relationship and give in to the temptation to be promiscuous.