Virginity and marriage.

[Xantippe]

WTH spinning plates???

I seriously thought i read spinning, pilates LMAO

Okay dude No don’t do that lol

And how can you have the mental energy for that? Lol wth

I know!

Speaking as an introvert, it sounds like absolute hell.

But I totally relate to the joke that I believe Easter Joy told: a chemist tells his wife he’s with his mistress, his mistress that he’s with his wife, and then goes off by himself to the lab…

 

[Xantippe]

I’m not defending it, I was just noting the tone of the posts which was basically going:

Sex sex sex goes into no sex and perfect virtue

Porn porn porn goes into more porn, impotence and pedophilia with no chance they found virtue.

Seemed one sides and illogical so I bring the other side because that is how we internet

Weeeell, for obvious reasons, it’s much easier to over-indulge in porn.

 

[LethalMouse]

Weeeell, for obvious reasons, it’s much easier to over-indulge in porn.

Depends on multiple factors. I know plenty of men who can get a girl in bed at a moments notice.

And plenty of women who can… well heck women can just go out find a guy and say “lets go” and they will be getting plenty

Which is also a big factor in the porn watching %

A broke woman who isnt hideous can get laid at the drop of a hat if she wants.

Even us guys that can get laid real easy it usually at least needs 1 no sex date prior.
Or a couple days of texting maybe. Couple days of texting can reduce the need for a first date to get sex. But hey modern times lol.

Now if you are used to getting sex at the dropof a hat and stand a the precipice of your “addiction” your true addiction might be that sex. But the only substitute might be self love and porn.

But the access and ease of porn might be tbe only reason the person isnt banging left ans right.

 

[starshiptrooper]

Noting your objection to feminism please note most of the resources are a man version of the same. Good you say you haven’t dove in

But don’t lest you be as bad as the one’s you are against.

Let me clarify. I concur with the worldview those writers present. I have only to decide how to react to this brave new world.

As to the drunk thing… meh I know your point as it was in the apparent “definition” of rape. And clearly in real life minus legalism it either is or is not.

But in fairness to Lea101 you did come down sounding on the extreme and close enough to what she said.

To a Feminist, all heterosexual sex is rape or can be defined as rape under an affirmative consent standard. My point is simple. Being drunk does not prevent you from formulating the mens rea for any crime. Why should being drunk prevent a woman (and only a woman because that standard will only be applied one way) from formulating the mens rea to have sex?

And you might want to evaluate your anger level in lending yourself to creeper status

Still currently in the anger phase. Acceptance and serenity will come sooner or later. It does give me quite a bit of energy to go lifting. Anger is very useful when harnessed properly

WTH spinning plates???

I seriously thought i read spinning, pilates LMAO

More of a yoga guy myself if I was gonna do something like that.

Okay dude No don’t do that lol

And how can you have the mental energy for that? Lol wth

Not sure, but some guys do it quite successfully.

 

[AdamP88]

Depends on multiple factors. I know plenty of men who can get a girl in bed at a moments notice.

And plenty of women who can… well heck women can just go out find a guy and say “lets go” and they will be getting plenty

Which is also a big factor in the porn watching %

A broke woman who isnt hideous can get laid at the drop of a hat if she wants.

Even us guys that can get laid real easy it usually at least needs 1 no sex date prior.
Or a couple days of texting maybe. Couple days of texting can reduce the need for a first date to get sex. But hey modern times lol.

Now if you are used to getting sex at the dropof a hat and stand a the precipice of your “addiction” your true addiction might be that sex. But the only substitute might be self love and porn.

But the access and ease of porn might be the only reason the person isnt banging left and right.

Which means that instead of using people for actual sex he’ll be using people to masturbate more pleasurably.

 

[AdamP88]

Not sure, but some guys do it quite successfully.

Yep…and they’re just man sluts.

 

[ToeInTheWater]

Even us guys that can get laid real easy it usually at least needs 1 no sex date prior.
Or a couple days of texting maybe. Couple days of texting can reduce the need for a first date to get sex. But hey modern times lol.

Now if you are used to getting sex at the dropof a hat and stand a the precipice of your “addiction” your true addiction might be that sex. But the only substitute might be self love and porn.

But the access and ease of porn might be tbe only reason the person isnt banging left ans right.

Just so we’re clear, LethalMouse…do you actually believe in traditional Church teaching about what constitutes sexual sin?

Maybe you believe those teachings are just impractical to follow in “modern times” but I’m starting to think you just don’t believe them, period. If so, I’d appreciate a straight answer. Not one that makes me wonder if you’re being sincere or just playing devil’s advocate/trolling.

I don’t always agree with everything AdamPeter says but I certainly don’t doubt he’s being sincere.

 

[LethalMouse]

Which means that instead of using people for actual sex he’ll be using people to masturbate more pleasurably.

Huh? are you saying masturbation is better than sex? because then sir, you are doing sex very wrong

 

[starshiptrooper]

Spinning plates? So let me get this straight…it’s ok for you to be a “playa” but wouldn’t marry a non-virgin woman?

Talk about double standards.

No, I am aware that if I choose to spin plates, there will not be any looking back.

Sounds to me like RedPill is just an excuse to never commit to a relationship and give in to the temptation to be promiscuous.

No, there is even a version for marriages and even a subreddit run by women for women. The Red Pill is simply a brutally realistic way of viewing the world. How you decided to utilize that information is your own choice.

Depends on multiple factors. I know plenty of men who can get a girl in bed at a moments notice.

And plenty of women who can… well heck women can just go out find a guy and say “lets go” and they will be getting plenty

Which is also a big factor in the porn watching %

A broke woman who isnt hideous can get laid at the drop of a hat if she wants.

Even us guys that can get laid real easy it usually at least needs 1 no sex date prior.
Or a couple days of texting maybe. Couple days of texting can reduce the need for a first date to get sex. But hey modern times lol.

The difference is that it takes way more work to get laid if you are male. If you are a woman, all you have to do is ask.

books.google.com/books?id=2qsKNaqIsuUC&pg=PA49&lpg=PA49&dq=date,+apartment+or+sex&source=bl&ots=yWYnOpxist&sig=koYJh28Z4IZdRo7-uyvDJ7F8MfQ&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiNk5H2-9POAhVJ_mMKHWokBzYQ6AEIOjAE#v=onepage&q=date%2C%20apartment%20or%20sex&f=false

Now if you are used to getting sex at the dropof a hat and stand a the precipice of your “addiction” your true addiction might be that sex. But the only substitute might be self love and porn.

But the access and ease of porn might be tbe only reason the person isnt banging left ans right.

I think there is a double reason for that.

1. Continually using porn and masturbation depletes your sexual energy and tricks you into thinking your desires are being met. Thus the lack of motivation.
2. Heavy porn use and masturbation constantly exposes your brain to dopamine and your dopamine receptors become desensitized meaning that good old regular silent, missionary and in the dark is no longer enough to interest you and you need to find more extreme, weird, and disgusting stuff to get those good feelings back.

 

[LethalMouse]

Let me clarify. I concur with the worldview those writers present. I have only to decide how to react to this brave new world.

There are grains of truth in both feminism and this stuff you cite. However both are equal. if you dislike feminism you must dislike these peeps too.

To a Feminist, all heterosexual sex is rape or can be defined as rape

True

… under an affirmative consent standard. My point is simple. Being drunk does not prevent you from formulating the mens rea for any crime. Why should being drunk prevent a woman (and only a woman because that standard will only be applied one way) from formulating the mens rea to have sex?

First on the bold true

on the exactness that is where reality comes in. The feminists advocate rape that is not, but you are leaning out of rebellion to injustice in the opposite extreme. You should evaluate your state of mind as you are slipping into theirs

Still currently in the anger phase. Acceptance and serenity will come sooner or later. It does give me quite a bit of energy to go lifting. Anger is very useful when harnessed properly

Well, You cant be angry in terms of making rational decisions lest as I said, you be like them.

Not sure, but some guys do it quite successfully.

Some people do alot of things successfully, doesn’t make it a good idea.

besides one in four people including women have an std in the US. So you are simply enhancing your odds of getting one when you start spinning those plate… I feel so unhip I know not of this term lol.

 

[Klemens_Hadwig]

What I write below should be read somewhat sarcastically, but still worth some consideration.

Imagine society if science finally reveals an easily distributable drug that kills both human libido and the need for romance. After all, we are better than animals, since man was made to become like our Lord. In such a scenario, children could be still be born to their mother and father, but conception would no longer be an erotic act, rather it would be akin to a ‘do it yourself’ medical procedure.

I know that such thoughts are unwelcome in Catholic circles, but, mankind’s duty is simply to ‘be fruitful and multiply’. How we achieve this propagation remains up to us humans. We can either continue acting like hormone-driven animals, or we can begin to imitate our Lord and stop this rationalisation of what effictively constitues a vestige of our animal ancestry.
Bacchanalia are bacchanlia, regardless of how many limits are placed on their expression.

The technology exists or can exist. We simply have to make proper use of our knowledge, and maybe some ills of human society will finally be resolved.

 

[Xantippe]

Not sure, but some guys do it quite successfully.

They say.

 

[AdamP88]

Huh? are you saying masturbation is better than sex? because then sir, you are doing sex very wrong

Nope. I’m not saying that at all. Read the sentence again.

I’m not doing sex wrong, or any other way for that matter.

 

[LethalMouse]

What I write below should be read somewhat sarcastically, but still worth some consideration.

Imagine society if science finally reveals an easily distributable drug that kills both human libido and the need for romance. After all, we are better than animals, since man was made to become like our Lord. In such a scenario, children could be still be born to their mother and father, but conception would no longer be an erotic act, rather it would be akin to a ‘do it yourself’ medical procedure.

I know that such thoughts are unwelcome in Catholic circles, but, mankind’s duty is simply to ‘be fruitful and multiply’. How we achieve this propagation remains up to us humans. We can either continue acting like hormone-driven animals, or** we can begin to imitate our Lord** and stop this rationalisation of what effictively constitues a vestige of our animal ancestry.
Bacchanalia are bacchanlia, regardless of how many limits are placed on their expression.

The technology exists or can exist. We simply have to make proper use of our knowledge, and maybe some ills of human society will finally be resolved.

I would say that given the amount of Christians that give off the vibe like they think like this is a partial reason why some think Christianity is cray cray.

There is nothing implied anywhere that the proposition of changing our God created nature in this way would achieve the bold.

I am aware the “somewhat sarcastically” but noting the “somewhat” draws into question of how much? LOL

plus I just figured I would respond to it bc I felt like it lol.

 

[Xantippe]

What I write below should be read somewhat sarcastically, but still worth some consideration.

Imagine society if science finally reveals an easily distributable drug that kills both human libido and the need for romance. After all, we are better than animals, since man was made to become like our Lord. In such a scenario, children could be still be born to their mother and father, but conception would no longer be an erotic act, rather it would be akin to a ‘do it yourself’ medical procedure.

I know that such thoughts are unwelcome in Catholic circles, but, mankind’s duty is simply to ‘be fruitful and multiply’. How we achieve this propagation remains up to us humans. We can either continue acting like hormone-driven animals, or we can begin to imitate our Lord and stop this rationalisation of what effictively constitues a vestige of our animal ancestry.
Bacchanalia are bacchanlia, regardless of how many limits are placed on their expression.

The technology exists or can exist. We simply have to make proper use of our knowledge, and maybe some ills of human society will finally be resolved.

That doesn’t sound like a lot of fun.

 

[LethalMouse]

Just so we’re clear, LethalMouse…do you actually believe in traditional Church teaching about what constitutes sexual sin?

Maybe you believe those teachings are just impractical to follow in “modern times” but I’m starting to think you just don’t believe them, period. If so, I’d appreciate a straight answer. Not one that makes me wonder if you’re being sincere or just playing devil’s advocate/trolling.

I don’t always agree with everything AdamPeter says but I certainly don’t doubt he’s being sincere.

What I believe in theology does not apply to what people we have.

SO if we are going with theology than you should be a virgin man or woman period.

But we are discussing the nature of failed people and moreso those people as they actually exist right now.

I don’t believe the teachings are not “with the times”

I don KNOW that people in these times are not following the teachings.

see the diff? I am talking about people who exist right now in their actual states of being, not what they should be.

there should be a world of virgins with no porn industry.
there should be a world where I can go to the store and leave my keys in my car with the windows wide open and $5,000 cash on the dashboard and come out 10 hours later and the only reason anyone touched my car was to roll my windows up when it rained a little.

But unfortunately the world is full of humans lol

 

[ToeInTheWater]

Stepping back, I think this whole topic is an example of how we tend to defend the sins we either tend to commit ourselves, or at least are tempted by, while bashing those who commit the sins we aren’t tempted by. (Much as many heterosexuals bash those with SSA.)

Yes, there are many cases of men who are heavily into porn who still feel justified in pointing an accusing finger at any woman who isn’t a pristine, hymen-intact virgin at marriage.

However, it also strikes me as hypocritical for women to defend premarital sex and appeal for charity for women who have done it, while bashing men who have used porn as some kind of unforgiveable sinner who deserves to be indefinitely shunned from the romance arena.

For, although there are a substantial number of women who use visual porn (photos, movies) even LM acknowledges the percentage of women who use it regularly, is still less than that of men. On the other hand, there is not as much a disparity between the number of men and the number of women who have sex outside marriage.

Interestingly, while I have seen many CAF posters, mostly women, insist that romance novels are NOT porn and nowhere near as addictive as visual porn – last I checked it was mostly women who bought a certain series of S+M themed “romances” about a man by the name of Grey.

And it is mostly women and girls who write “slash” fanfiction, many will outright admit that they’re not trying to advance LGBT rights or anything but just want to fantasize about two hot guys having sex. (Much as many male porn consumers love to watch two, or more, hot girls having sex.) Most such writers don’t even find porn to be anything wrong and will gladly admit their stories are “PWP” - that is, “porn without plot”.

But of course, if a woman who protests against visual porn, but still consumes sexualized romance novels or “erotica”, of course she can never admit that is also a type of porn, for that is to admit she is a hypocrite.

I personally admit that I have consumed this kind of material and it DID cause me problems with lust and objectification of others.

Now, visual porn certainly DOES have the added problem of requiring actual people to commit sexual sin to produce. But what about people who watch animated porn? That doesn’t involve real people, either.

So the general takeaway I get from this topic, is to pay attention to the plank in one’s own eye before trying to remove the mote in another.

 

[LethalMouse]

The difference is that it takes way more work to get laid if you are male. If you are a woman, all you have to do is ask.

 

[starshiptrooper]

There are grains of truth in both feminism and this stuff you cite. However both are equal. if you dislike feminism you must dislike these peeps too.

Still searching for the microns of truth in Feminism. I am not holding my breath in the meantime though.

First on the bold true

on the exactness that is where reality comes in. The feminists advocate rape that is not, but you are leaning out of rebellion to injustice in the opposite extreme. You should evaluate your state of mind as you are slipping into theirs

Rape is not that hard to define. Was force, a threat, or involuntary incapacitation involved? Was one of the parties unable to consent due to being cognitively disabled or below the age of consent?

Well, You cant be angry in terms of making rational decisions lest as I said, you be like them.

Which is why for now I disregard females and acquire currency.

Some people do alot of things successfully, doesn’t make it a good idea.

besides one in four people including women have an std in the US. So you are simply enhancing your odds of getting one when you start spinning those plate… I feel so unhip I know not of this term lol.

Yeah, that is one of the factors I have to consider. Are those odds comparable to Russian Roulette or the 1 in 3 chance I mentioned earlier?

 

[Klemens_Hadwig]

I would say that given the amount of Christians that give off the vibe like they think like this is a partial reason why some think Christianity is cray cray.

There is nothing implied anywhere that the proposition of changing our God created nature in this way would achieve the bold.

I am aware the “somewhat sarcastically” but noting the “somewhat” draws into question of how much? LOL

plus I just figured I would respond to it bc I felt like it lol.

No human result is ever guaranteed, however, the scenario removes a great obstacle to mankind’s imitation of our Lord.

Well, for those that say ‘sounds like no fun’, rest assured that people always find ways to enjoy themselves. In this case, people’s tastes for what is enjoyeable will simply have changed.