Visit from Cohabitating Grandfather and Girlfriend

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Thanks to everyone for the great threads about visits from cohabitating relatives. I have a slightly different wrinkle.

My 78-year-old nominally Lutheran paternal grandfather was widowed about six years ago after a nearly 50-year marriage to my grandmother. Several years after my grandmother’s death, he took up with–and eventually brought into his home–one of the hospice nurses who cared for my grandmother during her final years. I believe his girlfriend is a fallen-away Catholic in her early 60’s. Their unfortunate choice regarding cohabitation aside, they are both lovely, caring people. My wife, children, and I always enjoy their company.

My grandfather lives about 1,300 miles away and I rarely see him. Over the years I have invited him to visit multiple times, during which he has either left his girlfriend behind and stayed at our home or brought her and stayed with other family.

He is recovering from significant surgery and while his prognosis is good, age and genetics suggest we will not long enjoy earthly fellowship. We are expecting our fourth child and he has indicated he would like to visit with his girlfriend. We recently relocated to a city about 800 miles from any family, so visitors are cherished. This also means accommodation options are very straightforward: a hotel or our home.

In our desire to avoid being accessories to sin, my wife and I (and by that I mean me, although she is absolutely 50% of the decision-making) will offer him two options: separate bedrooms at our house or a hotel. I intend to use this as a teaching moment for the kids–we love Great Grandpa and his girlfriend as our brother and sister in Christ, but they are making a poor choice by living together outside of marriage.

My challenge is how best to address this issue with him. My intellect tells me to keep it simple. We love you both and you are welcome in our home as a dear family member and friend. However, we will provide you separate bedrooms and expect you to honor our understanding that God reserved the intimacy of sharing a bed for marriage. I think if I go, or get dragged into, detail, things will not go well. I have every reason to assume he will not subscribe to the notions of scandal, the procreative and unitive aspects of marriage (which may be an interesting discussion anyway given their ages), etc. My father converted to Catholicism in his early twenties and it is clear my grandfather has never been fully at peace with that decision.

I appreciate any thoughts or suggestions rooted in Truth and Charity. Thank you in advance and God bless you.
 
Simply tell him that you have young children who cannot be exposed to cohabitation. Refuse to argue with him. You would love to see him and there are two choices of lodging. The hotel is probably the better choice. What will you do if they stay in your home but wind up in the same room against your wishes? You can’t exactly lock them in their rooms at night.
 
Thanks to everyone for the great threads about visits from cohabitating relatives. I have a slightly different wrinkle.

My 78-year-old nominally Lutheran paternal grandfather was widowed about six years ago after a nearly 50-year marriage to my grandmother. …

In our desire to avoid being accessories to sin, my wife and I (and by that I mean me, although she is absolutely 50% of the decision-making) will offer him two options: separate bedrooms at our house or a hotel. I intend to use this as a teaching moment for the kids–we love Great Grandpa and his girlfriend as our brother and sister in Christ, but they are making a poor choice by living together outside of marriage…

My challenge is how best to address this issue with him…
I appreciate any thoughts or suggestions rooted in Truth and Charity. Thank you in advance and God bless you.
Interesting…and difficult challenge. I wonder how far, as Catholics, we must “enforce” our beliefs on others such as in these instances. As the response above indicated, they could and might very well end up in the same bedroom.
We also have this situation likely coming up shortly in our family, but there are no children left at home who might be witnessing the dilemma, so I don’t know if that makes a huge difference…or maybe not. Divorced lapsed Catholic family member and her boyfriend (who go on vacations together/same hotel room/etc.) will be coming to visit soon. We have two spare bedrooms available and can offer the option of them utilizing both, but they’re in a different part of our house, and there’s no way to know if each remains in their own room. So, I guess we’re in almost the same situation as you, Reggie, minus the children.
Thanks for posting your question. I’m hoping some of the recommendations might also assist us in this in what to say and/or do. Meanwhile, God’s blessings to you and your family, and good luck in whatever you decide to do. I doubt it will be easy, and in this day and age I’m so glad to know that there are others who want to be sure good examples are seen by their children.
 
I have no problem informing my visitors that everything in my home is under the gaze of Jesus and I expect compliance in all matters to do with sleeping arrangements. No one has ever argued and it’s amazing how much respect you get when you enforce non negotiable rules. Courage to you, friend.
 
Just a thought, not to disagree with what’s been written so far, but to give you something to think about, so you can plan ahead. I think he is likely to comply with your wishes, especially if phrased in terms of setting an example for the children, since he cares about you all enough to travel that far to see you after surgery.

There may be a complication if he needs assistance with some things at night after the surgery and she has been helping him. He may not have brought this up to avoid concerning you about his ability to make the trip. If you are going to separate them for the night and he does need some sort of help, you will need to figure out some sort of solution to provide the assistance he needs.

Just something to consider are you decide how to bring up the topic-he may be reluctant to discuss such things and may need some flexibility in the conversation to say what he needs to say.

Good luck. 🙂
 
Thanks to everyone for the great threads about visits from cohabitating relatives. I have a slightly different wrinkle.

My 78-year-old nominally Lutheran paternal grandfather was widowed about six years ago after a nearly 50-year marriage to my grandmother. Several years after my grandmother’s death, he took up with–and eventually brought into his home–one of the hospice nurses who cared for my grandmother during her final years. I believe his girlfriend is a fallen-away Catholic in her early 60’s. Their unfortunate choice regarding cohabitation aside, they are both lovely, caring people. My wife, children, and I always enjoy their company.

My grandfather lives about 1,300 miles away and I rarely see him. Over the years I have invited him to visit multiple times, during which he has either left his girlfriend behind and stayed at our home or brought her and stayed with other family.

He is recovering from significant surgery and while his prognosis is good, age and genetics suggest we will not long enjoy earthly fellowship. We are expecting our fourth child and he has indicated he would like to visit with his girlfriend. We recently relocated to a city about 800 miles from any family, so visitors are cherished. This also means accommodation options are very straightforward: a hotel or our home.

In our desire to avoid being accessories to sin, my wife and I (and by that I mean me, although she is absolutely 50% of the decision-making) will offer him two options: separate bedrooms at our house or a hotel. I intend to use this as a teaching moment for the kids–we love Great Grandpa and his girlfriend as our brother and sister in Christ, but they are making a poor choice by living together outside of marriage.

My challenge is how best to address this issue with him. My intellect tells me to keep it simple. We love you both and you are welcome in our home as a dear family member and friend. However, we will provide you separate bedrooms and expect you to honor our understanding that God reserved the intimacy of sharing a bed for marriage. I think if I go, or get dragged into, detail, things will not go well. I have every reason to assume he will not subscribe to the notions of scandal, the procreative and unitive aspects of marriage (which may be an interesting discussion anyway given their ages), etc. My father converted to Catholicism in his early twenties and it is clear my grandfather has never been fully at peace with that decision.

I appreciate any thoughts or suggestions rooted in Truth and Charity. Thank you in advance and God bless you.
Sounds like you have a good plan, don’t offer a hotel. Welcome them into your home show grandpa his quarters and show the friend hers.

Show the kids the separate rooms. Most people are respectful of kids and their need to learn morals. If grants sneaks into friends room after hours. . . First of all Eww but second of all not within your control.🙂
 
It’s your house and you get to make the rules for all under your roof---- family members or not.

You need to be respected in your own house. Hopefully, “Grandpa” can understand that.

If they cannot respect you and your wishes they should go get a hotel room.
 
Sounds like you have a good plan, don’t offer a hotel. Welcome them into your home show grandpa his quarters and show the friend hers.
Make sure they know before they begin their journey what your rules are. Don’t spring it on them as they head off to bed.
 
Thanks, everyone. I fortunately will have a chance to speak with both of them face-to-face well in advance of their visit to set expectations. As it so happens, I have a business trip in their general vicinity, so I’m making a point to stop and see them.

I am not concerned about them breaking “house rules” while they are here. There is enough mutual respect that, if they don’t want to comply, they will get a hotel room rather than offend my wife and me. Anything can happen, of course, but mercifully they aren’t teenagers or twenty-somethings 🙂

@Non Serviam: You make an excellent point about possible medical attention. It is my understanding Grandpa can go through the day caring completely for himself, but I will clarify that.

@GenerationHV: I like the approach of welcoming. I will present that, keeping the hotel in my back pocket as an alternative. I also like showing the kids the separate rooms as a teaching moment.
 
Thanks, everyone. I fortunately will have a chance to speak with both of them face-to-face well in advance of their visit to set expectations. As it so happens, I have a business trip in their general vicinity, so I’m making a point to stop and see them.

I am not concerned about them breaking “house rules” while they are here. There is enough mutual respect that, if they don’t want to comply, they will get a hotel room rather than offend my wife and me. Anything can happen, of course, but mercifully they aren’t teenagers or twenty-somethings 🙂

@Non Serviam: You make an excellent point about possible medical attention. It is my understanding Grandpa can go through the day caring completely for himself, but I will clarify that.

@GenerationHV: I like the approach of welcoming. I will present that, keeping the hotel in my back pocket as an alternative. I also like showing the kids the separate rooms as a teaching moment.
I would caution against making too much of a point with your kids about it. It’s borderline offensive to ask him to have a separate room, and if he finds out that your showing the rooms to your children to demonstrate how you feel they should be living, he may feel as though you’re teaching his grandkids to not respect him and it may seriously damage your relationship.
 
I would caution against making too much of a point with your kids about it. It’s borderline offensive to ask him to have a separate room, and if he finds out that your showing the rooms to your children to demonstrate how you feel they should be living, he may feel as though you’re teaching his grandkids to not respect him and it may seriously damage your relationship.
I agree.

OP,
Do your children know that granddad and girlfriend live together? If so, and then you show them separate rooms in your house, you have told the children that granddad isn’t doing it right where he lives. In fact, other than to show the children that the couple is doing it right at your house, and therefore wrong at their own, why would you show them the rooms?

Also, not knowing how old your children are, do they even realize that granddad isn’t married?

Last point. Simply because someone can take care of their needs during the day, doesn’t mean that they can do the same at night. Needs are different between night and day.
 
Yes, the children know they are not married and particularly the oldest understands and questions.

We would show the kids the rooms ahead of the arrival. I agree that parading the kids in front of grandpa and girlfriend as they arrive for a teaching moment is callous and potentially harmful.

Lastly, regarding medical needs, when I wrote “through the day,” I meant “day” in the sense of a full 24 hours 🙂 Thank you for clarifying.
 
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