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vern_humphrey
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In other words, you did mean to make it personal.Vern,
It’s nothing personal. In reading alot your debates and participating in a few I see a pattern of slick debate style that uses some pretty effective spin. Your a good debater take it as a compliment. And for somebody stating being personal makes you loose an agument… you sure do make a lot of “you” statements.![]()
No town can afford everything. The money saved is used elsewhere.If the town can afford payed firefighters and simply chooses not to create those jobs I think that equates to using people who do those jobs for free. (Still a good and charitable act by the volunteers)
Are you saying that serving as a volunteer fireman is not an act of personal charity?Here is an expample of spin. I talk about towns paying people for doing an important job if they can afford to like other towns do. And you compair that to joining an effort in finding a lost person. Then you take an act of personal charity like teaching catechism and compair it to a town not paying people for what other towns do pay people.
Now,** that’s** spin!
And this is bad, how? If the snow gets removed this way, you have more money to spend on other things the town needs.Let me show you an example of spin to benefit my side of this argument. Lets say I make the final decision for the town.
I will create a volunteer snow removal department. I will use town funds to send people to school for there CDL. Then I will use them to run our snow removal process in the winter. We don’t need those town employees who do our snow removal now.
Snow removal’s not a permanent job, now is it? You don’t get a lot of snow in August, now do you?Lets just lay them off. I’ll hire someone to recruit volunteers and advertise the fact that they get free CDL training if they help us once a month in the winter when it snows. This will reduce our outflow of money by eliminating town salaries. Because the people volunteer it’s all morally right.
The people who do snow removal are typically part of the city street department, and they have other jobs. Put them to doing those other jobs.
When you make a factual argument, you must use facts…I mentioned earlier that a town near me was using a stipen system etc. Please read the post. I am not hear to put a town on trial and post numbers.
You claim the system was “using” people. I simply asked for evidence.I don’t understand this.
Who’s being used? Where’s your evidence that any town with a volunteer fire department is “using” anybody?Why? I said using people is contray to Christian teaching.
And He will provide for volunteers as He provided for them.Jesus provided for his deciples.
Do you think God will not provide for those of us who give of ourselves to others? Does God demand we sit on our backsides and milk the taxpayer?Jesus provided food for the 5000 as well. God gives people what they need out of love. Remember the nets bursting with fish? Do you think when we go to heaven it will be a democracy with a free market economy?
If we have a problem, it isn’t that we have **too many **volunteers in this country!!