Vorris "Catholic Government"

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It took me about 10 seconds to realize that this was going to be a pitch for Catholic monarchy. The US is actually the state that has gone the longest without substantial change to it’s form. I think we should actually focus on converting the nation and properly catechizing it. Personally I think Subsidarity is best.
 
He’s correct. Of course he will be bashed for the suggestion, it’s not politically correct.
 
Dakota_Roberts said:
It took me about 10 seconds to realize that this was going to be a pitch for Catholic monarchy. The US is actually the state that has gone the longest without substantial change to it’s form. I think we should actually focus on converting the nation and properly catechizing it. Personally I think Subsidarity is best.
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Agreed. But, Catholics should once again engage the public square and not hide.
 
Michael Voris knows how to hit the “HOT” button.

Theorectically, he is right. Practically, he is waaaaaaaay off base.

Observe history. What happens when those good Catholic monarchs (Europe, for example) die? Who becomes King or Queen? Oops, it’s that “no-good-son-of-gun” kid that never was supposed to grow up that way, because, wasn’t he raised by the perfect Catholic father? Alas, no. His father finds out, as all fathers, that their progeny are individuals…not copies of the “perfect father monarch”. There goes that “perfect catholic monarchy” down the tubes.

Observe the Bible…who succeeded the “perfect (well, not quite)” King of Israel, David? That most wise Solomon, who was as subject to the corruption of power as any of his followers.

Michael has the One example he can point to…G-d, who is the perfect Ruler. But He is the Only One.

On earth, it is our duty to teach by our Cathilic example, whereever we live, in any imperfect political arrangement. May G-d give us the grace, and most of all, the strength, to try.
 
well, in the future we will have a Catholic “monarchy” - Christ as the King. 😃

Of course, that won’t be a monarchy, but a theocracy.

Still, a democracy/republic or a constitutional monarchy are the best because they are the most consistent forms of government. In a monarchy, the king can be really good, but then when he dies, his son could be a really bad king. So until Christ comes, I think a democracy or a constitutional monarchy are the best (Democracy wins by just a little because I live in America).
 
That video was quite stunning - I am still not certain if he was serious or if he was joking.

We live in a pluralistic society. The most important role of government is to protect individual rights.
 
Christopher68 said:
That video was quite stunning - I am still not certain if he was serious or if he was joking.

We live in a pluralistic society. The most important role of government is to protect individual rights.
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Then we could simply have an Americanized/modernized version of Golden Liberty
 
Christopher68 said:
That video was quite stunning - I am still not certain if he was serious or if he was joking.

We live in a pluralistic society. The most important role of government is to protect individual rights.
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Are you saying that a Catholic State somehow does not protect individual rights?
 
PiousTemplar said:
Are you saying that a Catholic State somehow does not protect individual rights?
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I said that the most important role of government is the protection of individual rights.

Establishing a relationship with Christ is an individual and voluntary act. The government does not have a role in this.
 
Dakota_Roberts said:
You have no idea what Golden Liberty is?
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Ok, followed your link, read it and still not impressed. In fact, I’m not impressed at all. According to your link:
Under that system, all nobles (szlachta) who held immediate estates were equal and enjoyed extensive rights and privileges. The nobility controlled the legislature (Sejm — the Polish Parliament) and the Commonwealth’s elected king…Perhaps the closest parallels to Poland’s ‘Noble Democracy’ can be found outside Europe altogether ― in America ― among the slave-owning aristocracy of The South, where slave-owning democrats and founding fathers of the USA such as Thomas Jefferson or George Washington had many values in common with the reformist noblemen of the Commonwealth.[11]

Others however criticize the Golden Liberty, pointing out it was limited only to the nobility, excluding peasants or townsfolk[12] and gave no legal system to grant freedom and liberty to the majority of the population, failing them by failing to protect them from the excesses of the nobility, resulting in the slow development of cities and the second serfdom among the peasants.[13]
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Again, what does this mean? What would it look like? In other words: what would it look like here in the US? What? The Catholics are the nobles and everyone else are the serfs? Or maybe the Bishops are the nobles and everyone else are the serfs? What would this look like? What would it mean for the US Civilian?
 
Christopher68 said:
I said that the most important role of government is the protection of individual rights.

Establishing a relationship with Christ is an individual and voluntary act. The government does not have a role in this.
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Yup, agreed. That’s what our founding fathers thought as well 👍
 
Swiss_Guy said:
The government can help protect and support the Faith though, not be completely separated from the Church.
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I would think people of all faiths would expect this, and equal representation, of the government here 🙂
 
Rence said:
I would think people of all faiths would expect this, and equal representation, of the government here 🙂
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Only in America. 😛

But imo it would be nice if Catholicism was favored so that the Church would have a gaurantee that it would be supported.

Not saying freedom of religion shouldn’t exist - it very much should be. I just think Catholicism should be favored in an ideal country.

We might be on different pages. :o:p
 
I agreed with the first part, about the eventual destruction of democracy. I have long said that representation without taxation is as great an evil as the reverse. As long as people can vote who do not pay a federal income tax, they will vote themselves the right to steal from others in taxes and our production will continue the spiral downward. The rest, however, is absurd and is based on a misunderstanding of Catholic doctrine. The Catholic Church is not the only source of Truth and Good in the world. The idea of a benevolent monarchy has been tried and has always quickly failed within one generation, or two at the most.
 
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