So sad, so very very sad. You aid an abet the killing of 1.2 million children a year because you don’t like the Iraq War. Fortunately there are millions of us out here who don’t so lightly tolerate killing children. Roe V Wade will be overturned, abortion in this country will end and in the end you will stand there covered with the blood of the innocents and wondering how you could have ever supported such abject evilI will further add:
Since Roe vs Wade is law and it is very unlikely it will be overturned before Christ comes back, the whether or not a candidate is pro-choice or pro-life is a dead point.
A pro-choice candidate can’t do anything to further Roe vs Wade issue.
A pro-life candidate can’t do anything to overturn Roe vs Wade.
So one has to look at present and future issues that they can change and/or influence to change.
Iraq was a huge mistake.
The life of mine or your Son and/or Daughter is not worth a democracy in Iraq.
Statistics from iraqbodycount.org/
43850 to 48693 Iraqi Civilians have died because of our Invasion.
6,331 from ST May 2003 to the first anniversary of the invasion, Th March 2004 (324 days: Year 1)
11,312 from 20th March 2004 to 19th March 2005 (365 days: Year 2)
12,617 from 20th March 2005 to 1st March 2006 (346 days: Year 3).
Currently at least 13590 since March 2006
In terms of average violent deaths per day this represents:
In terms of average violent deaths per day this represents:
20 per day in Year 1.
31 per day in Year 2.
36 per day in Year 3.
Currently 64 per day.
U.S. Deaths Confirmed By The DoD: 2730
Reported U.S. Deaths Pending DoD Confirmation: 18
Total 2748
DoD Confirmation List
Have you had enough?
I will be PC here. I find the killing of innocent children OFFENSIVE.So sad, so very very sad. You aid an abet the killing of 1.2 million children a year because you don’t like the Iraq War. Fortunately there are millions of us out here who don’t so lightly tolerate killing children. Roe V Wade will be overturned, abortion in this country will end and in the end you will stand there covered with the blood of the innocents and wondering how you could have ever supported such abject evil
There is no aiding or abetting, The ones whom aid and abet are those that voted for the President that appointed the Justices to the Supreme Court that made the ruling on Roe vs Wade. The ones whom aid and abet are those that voted for the Senators that confimred those same Justices for those Presidents.So sad, so very very sad. You aid an abet the killing of 1.2 million children a year because you don’t like the Iraq War. Fortunately there are millions of us out here who don’t so lightly tolerate killing children. Roe V Wade will be overturned, abortion in this country will end and in the end you will stand there covered with the blood of the innocents and wondering how you could have ever supported such abject evil
Actually the original ruling has language that suggests it be overturned if it is found that life begins at conception. Science confirms it and our constitution guarantees it. It is inevitable in my opinion.There is no aiding or abetting, The ones whom aid and abet are those that voted for the President that appointed the Justices to the Supreme Court that made the ruling on Roe vs Wade. The ones whom aid and abet are those that voted for the Senators that confimred those same Justices for those Presidents.
There is no blood on my hands with my vote for a pro-choicer. The blood is on the hands that support those that were responsible for placing those on the Supreme Court that ruled on Roe vs Wade.
My voting record says I did not vote for any of those Presidents that nominated those individuals to the Supreme court nor did my vote go to any member who composed the Senate that voted on the “Confirmation Hearings”.
No, it will never be overturned. It’s a pipe dream. We are approaching the End Times, so the probability of an overturn is unlikely.
Also those sitting on the bench now are unlikely to overrule another Supreme Court.
We could have 9 Catholics sitting on the Supreme Court and it still would not get overturned.
Pipe dream.
Yes we can pray for an overturn, but thats about it.
If you have voted pro-choice you have enabled the culture of death.There is no aiding or abetting, The ones whom aid and abet are those that voted for the President that appointed the Justices to the Supreme Court that made the ruling on Roe vs Wade. The ones whom aid and abet are those that voted for the Senators that confimred those same Justices for those Presidents.
There is no blood on my hands with my vote for a pro-choicer. The blood is on the hands that support those that were responsible for placing those on the Supreme Court that ruled on Roe vs Wade.
My voting record says I did not vote for any of those Presidents that nominated those individuals to the Supreme court nor did my vote go to any member who composed the Senate that voted on the “Confirmation Hearings”.
No, it will never be overturned. It’s a pipe dream. We are approaching the End Times, so the probability of an overturn is unlikely.
Also those sitting on the bench now are unlikely to overrule another Supreme Court.
We could have 9 Catholics sitting on the Supreme Court and it still would not get overturned.
Pipe dream.
Yes we can pray for an overturn, but thats about it.
Only **if **the vote cast for the pro-choice candidate was specifically because the candidate would push forward pro-choice legislation/policies.If you have voted pro-choice you have enabled the culture of death.
One is allowed to vote for the candidate that will do less harm when given no other choice.Only **if **the vote cast for the pro-choice candidate was specifically because the candidate would push forward pro-choice legislation/policies.
BIG difference. One even the voter guide concedes.
In this culture of death in which we live there are no viable pro-life candidates on the ballots at any level. We live in that crazy world where politicians refuse to allow their faith to influence their decision-making policies. So we voters are faced with having to choose the lesser of evils whenever we go to the polls.
Example: IL governor. Both viable candidates suck. Both not only are personally pro-choice, but have publicly declared they would support pro-choice policies and such (and Blago is Catholic).
Yes, I can vote for the third party. But even by the Catechism we are called not to throw away our votes any more than we are to not vote at all. We have to seriously reflect and discern which candidate would do the least harm and then vote accordingly.
No Catholic casting a vote in this manner is contributing to abortion or aiding/abetting. We are fulfilling our moral and civic obligation to protect society as best we can under the circumstances.
However, if any Catholic votes for one or the other pro-choice candidates because that candidate will have the most effect at pushing through pro-choice legislation or will definitely strike down any pro-life legislation then that would be a sin.
Seems to me it’s all in the intent behind the vote, not the vote itself.
If you vote for a pro-abortion candidate you are supporting abortion. It couldnt be clearer than that. No amount of mental gymanstics or rationalization can get you past that.Only **if **the vote cast for the pro-choice candidate was specifically because the candidate would push forward pro-choice legislation/policies.
BIG difference. One even the voter guide concedes.
In this culture of death in which we live there are no viable pro-life candidates on the ballots at any level. We live in that crazy world where politicians refuse to allow their faith to influence their decision-making policies. So we voters are faced with having to choose the lesser of evils whenever we go to the polls.
Example: IL governor. Both viable candidates suck. Both not only are personally pro-choice, but have publicly declared they would support pro-choice policies and such (and Blago is Catholic).
Yes, I can vote for the third party. But even by the Catechism we are called not to throw away our votes any more than we are to not vote at all. We have to seriously reflect and discern which candidate would do the least harm and then vote accordingly.
No Catholic casting a vote in this manner is contributing to abortion or aiding/abetting. We are fulfilling our moral and civic obligation to protect society as best we can under the circumstances.
However, if any Catholic votes for one or the other pro-choice candidates because that candidate will have the most effect at pushing through pro-choice legislation or will definitely strike down any pro-life legislation then that would be a sin.
Seems to me it’s all in the intent behind the vote, not the vote itself.
For the 4,000 children who will be aborted today the end times are already here. You can concede their deaths if you want-I wont. I I wont bloody my hands by voting for those who make their deaths possible.When Roe V Wade is overturned how will you justify to yourself your support of this abject evil?There is no aiding or abetting, The ones whom aid and abet are those that voted for the President that appointed the Justices to the Supreme Court that made the ruling on Roe vs Wade. The ones whom aid and abet are those that voted for the Senators that confimred those same Justices for those Presidents.
There is no blood on my hands with my vote for a pro-choicer. The blood is on the hands that support those that were responsible for placing those on the Supreme Court that ruled on Roe vs Wade.
My voting record says I did not vote for any of those Presidents that nominated those individuals to the Supreme court nor did my vote go to any member who composed the Senate that voted on the “Confirmation Hearings”.
No, it will never be overturned. It’s a pipe dream. We are approaching the End Times, so the probability of an overturn is unlikely.
Also those sitting on the bench now are unlikely to overrule another Supreme Court.
We could have 9 Catholics sitting on the Supreme Court and it still would not get overturned.
Pipe dream.
Yes we can pray for an overturn, but thats about it.
One is allowed to vote for the candidate that will do less harm when given no other choice.
You are right. We are ALLOWED to vote for anyone. These folks who are so party blind that they do not see anything wrong in knowingly voting pro-choice are ALLOWED to do so. The fact that they do makes me wonder how they justify it in their own minds. Yes, it may be difficult to overturn RvW but what about abortion at any time, or parental notification, huh? The idea when RvW first came along was that it would be allowable in the first trimester. Probably many of you are not old enough to remember that, but that is how it was. Look where we are now. If you would, just once, see an aborted infant, you could not possibly be so blase’ as some of you seem to be.What I was getting to is that most pro-death candidates have this worldview that touches upon other legislation. That is why they end up enabling the culture of death even more.
We need to vote more pro-life candidates at every level to enable the culture of life that will permeate legislation. We need to challenge the pro-death legislator at every turn. We do not want them to feel as elected they have a mandate to further enable the culture of death.
That is between God and Myself. It is none of your business.For the 4,000 children who will be aborted today the end times are already here. You can concede their deaths if you want-I wont. I I wont bloody my hands by voting for those who make their deaths possible.When Roe V Wade is overturned how will you justify to yourself your support of this abject evil?
Like I said the mental gymnastics one must go through to justify supporting the slaughter of the innocents is an amazing thing to watch. No matter how you want to slice you vote for people who make this horror possible. By your vote you are complicit in the deaths of 1.2 million children a year. The idea that your support for programs that take care of those lucky enough to escape the womb excuses this is specious. Someday you will wake up to the absolute horror you are enabling and you will be the one doing the judging. For my part i most certainly can judge that that you profess to support. And from where i sit its not pretty.That is between God and Myself. It is none of your business.
First of all, it’s your ignorant opinion that I support abject evil because I would throw my vote toward a pro-lifer.
Second it’s your opinion that Roe vs Wade will be overturned. You are entitled to that opinion. I believe otherwise.
Third the powers that be will say that Abortion is an acceptable form of Contraception. Contraception is only a sin and morally wrong to Catholics. The remaining 5/6 of the worlds says we are idiots in this respect.
Fourth, when I vote I have to look at the issues concerning those actually living and how the candidate’s stand on current and prevailing issues will afftect:
the poor
the thirsty
the hungry
the sick
the imprisoned
the naked
the homeless
the enslaved
the unemployed
the uninsured
the unborn
the unborn is only 1 out of 11 issues.
The unborn we can’t do anything about, so it’s a dead issue.
So I have two candidates:
A. One that does not care about the unborn but cares about the welfare of the remaining 10 living person issues.
B. One that does care about the unborn but does not give a rats *** about those living with the first 10 problems.
I have to go with A.
10 issues I can do something about.
1 issue I can not.
Bob, I would appreciate if you would cease judgement of me.
Not my gymastics.If you vote for a pro-abortion candidate you are supporting abortion. It couldnt be clearer than that. No amount of mental gymanstics or rationalization can get you past that.
All of those 10 issues are predicated on one. Life issues are the foundation of all the others.That is between God and Myself. It is none of your business.
First of all, it’s your ignorant opinion that I support abject evil because I would throw my vote toward a pro-lifer.
Second it’s your opinion that Roe vs Wade will be overturned. You are entitled to that opinion. I believe otherwise.
Third the powers that be will say that Abortion is an acceptable form of Contraception. Contraception is only a sin and morally wrong to Catholics. The remaining 5/6 of the worlds says we are idiots in this respect.
Fourth, when I vote I have to look at the issues concerning those actually living and how the candidate’s stand on current and prevailing issues will afftect:
the poor
the thirsty
the hungry
the sick
the imprisoned
the naked
the homeless
the enslaved
the unemployed
the uninsured
the unborn
the unborn is only 1 out of 11 issues.
The unborn we can’t do anything about, so it’s a dead issue.
So I have two candidates:
A. One that does not care about the unborn but cares about the welfare of the remaining 10 living person issues.
B. One that does care about the unborn but does not give a rats *** about those living with the first 10 problems.
I have to go with A.
10 issues I can do something about.
1 issue I can not.
Bob, I would appreciate if you would cease judgement of me.
estesbob is trying to fraternally correct you with love. He is judging your admitted actions. He is not judging whether you are going to heaven or not.Bob, I would appreciate if you would cease judgement of me.
The example you give , however, applies only when faced with two pro-abortion candidates. Pro-life ALWAYS trumps pro-abortion.Not my gymastics.
Not my rationalization.
It’s in the voter’s guide
and it’s in the CCC.
The fact of the matter is our elections here are inundated with pro-choice candidates.
We are obliged to participate in the elections.
We have to cast our vote for someone with a chance of winning.
We cannot throw our vote away on moral grounds becauses our moral obligation is to do what we can to minimize the damage to result from the winner.
Did you miss that part of the guides/CCC?
Actually, Church teaching is very clear in that situation. You are morally obliged as a Catholic to vote for B.So I have two candidates:
A. One that does not care about the unborn but cares about the welfare of the remaining 10 living person issues.
B. One that does care about the unborn but does not give a rats *** about those living with the first 10 problems.
I have to go with A.
10 issues I can do something about.
1 issue I can not.
Very well said. Thank you.Actually, Church teaching is very clear in that situation. You are morally obliged as a Catholic to vote for B.
I know that’s painful to swallow, but the Pope’s message is quite clear on the matter. There would be no poor, no hungry, no health issues, no ‘social justice’ issues to resolve if we do not first and foremost protect the right for a human person to exist.
The unborn is the weakest of all the social concerns we are charged to take care of so when there is a candidate who is pro-life running against a candidate who is pro-choice, you are to vote for the pro-lifer.
Now, you say your vote is between you and God. Yes, you are correct. However, you have been properly instructed on the teaching of the Church on this matter. You cannot claim ignorance when you go to cast your vote for the pro-choice person.
Since mortal sin has three elements: Knowledge of the teaching, knowledge of the gravity of the teaching, and willfulling taking action contrary to that teaching…knowing what you know now - and remember, knowledge does not equal acceptance or even understanding - you would be committing a mortal sin to vote for a pro-choicer over a pro-lifer, at any level.
We are called, as Catholics, to trust in and obey the teaching of the magesterium on matters of faith and morals. It matters not that 5/6 of the world disagrees with the Church’s position on contraception…especially since the matter at hand is your own soul’s standing with God and not that of 5/6 of the world.
Obedience is difficult when our brains just can’t grasp or come to terms with the logic behind particular teachings, but we are called to obedience nonetheless. We continue to pray that the Holy Spirit will open our minds, hearts and souls to finally understand the teaching at hand so that we could be at peace with our decisions, but if you think about it, that’s just to satisfy our own personal desire (and that’s selfish). We should find our peace in knowing we obeyed, especially without fully accepting the teaching.