Voting Time A Partisan Battle

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timotheos said:
Wow. If that’s true, your election board in Ohio is totally incompetent. I have never had to wait more than 10 minutes to vote.

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I never did either when I lived in a town of 6000. Where I live now I usually vote by mail to avoid lines. In 2010 I did do in person early voting and had to wait longer than 10 mins. I had to wait longer than 10 mins just to get to the table to “sign in”. Then I had to get in another line and stand there waiting for a machine to become available. This was merely a midterm when turnout is lower than it likely will be this Nov. And that was early voting. Cut the hrs and days and the lines are bound to be longer on election day with potentially not enough ballots and so forth. I think that may be part of the GOP strategy though. Get people frustrated enough that they don’t bother and just stay home or they get out of line. Hopefully Seekerz is right though and when the right to vote is perceived to be threatened, people turn out enmasse and demand to exercise their right to vote.
 
timotheos said:
I remember when we used to have no problem voting. It was called “election day”, and you figured out how to get to the polls, or you cast an absentee ballot beforehand if you were out of town.

Honestly. When the lowest common denominator in our society becomes the status quo, you start to find things like warning labels on chainsaws, advising you not to hold it on the business end.
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I remember only landline phones and only ABC, NBC, and CBS. I even vaguely remember no color TV. Internet forums? What on earth was an internet? People’s lives change. If we can make it easier for people to communicate and easier to do all sorts of other things, surely we can make it easier for them to cast a ballot. Just my opinion of course. I remember too when Catholics attended Mass on Sundays and faithful Catholics figured out a way to get there. Then the Sat Vigil was added to fulfill the weekly obligation and some of them go then now. 🤷
 
Everyone cries about how hard it is to vote in America while the mainstream media (!) goes to great lengths to show Iraqis enduring worse hardships, like being shot at, just to vote. Even in Iraq, they required proof of voting to reduce fraud.

America has become marshmallow squishy when it comes to standing up and being a citizen and exercising that true right to vote.
 
BernardM said:
Making it harder for the Democrats to bus people from East Cleveland into the surrounding territories? The horror!!
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If that is a problem, it should be proven in court. Arbitrarily interfering with people’s access to the polls is indefensible.
 
SVP said:
Everyone cries about how hard it is to vote in America while the mainstream media (!) goes to great lengths to show Iraqis enduring worse hardships, like being shot at, just to vote. Even in Iraq, they required proof of voting to reduce fraud.

America has become marshmallow squishy when it comes to standing up and being a citizen and exercising that true right to vote.
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Proof of voting to reduce fraud? What form does that take? Like CMatt, what I can’t wrap my head around is why this voter ID issue just became a problem since 2008.

As for standing up and being a citizen, I’d challenge you to hold two jobs while single-parenting 4 young kids and somehow find the time on a particular weekday to stand 7 hours in a line without endangering either job or children.
 
CMatt25 said:
I know Seekerz. I guess I’m just still trying to figure out though why this photo ID thing has become such a huge issue since Barack Obama was elected POTUS. Seems since the GOP gains in 2010 it has especially taken off in several states. I dunno. Somehow people voted before BHO became POTUS. 🤷
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seekerz said:
Proof of voting to reduce fraud? What form does that take? Like CMatt, what I can’t wrap my head around is why this voter ID issue just became a problem since 2008…
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Actually, the 2008 SCOTUS decision Crawford v. Marion County Election Board was from a 2005 Indiana voter ID law.

It has been a “huge issue” since Presiden Obama was in the US Senate his first year.

Perhaps this was just an insidious plot to keep Obama from the Presidency?

Republican John Connor travelled back in time to steal the future!!!
 
meltzerboy said:
The Republicans are since the extended voting hours are only in Republican-leaning counties and not in Democratic-leaning counties.
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Inasmuch as boards of elections are made up of equal numbers of Democrats and Republicans and individual boards are free to set their own voting times it seems a bit of a stretch to claim the Republicans acted improperly here … unless you’re suggesting that it was underhanded to get the Democrats to agree with them.
This is a serious issue…
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What - equal representation isn’t enough for you?
The whole idea of disenfranchising voters is completely contrary to what this country stands for
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Indeed it is. In this case, however, there is nothing convincing to suggest it has happened.
Thank you for bringing up this shameful injustice.
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Wolf! Wolf!

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Don’t worry, Democratic voter registration drive now in progress

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seekerz said:
But to hear Republicans tell it, the REAL problem is voter fraud from lack of photo IDs…🤷
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99% of all the voter fraud investigations and problems reside or are affiliated with the Democrat side of the house.

Not alot of dead people, dogs, illegals and felons voting for Republicans. I mean, if that is the voter base of the Democrat party, you all can own it. 🤷
 
If we could just make the Republican party illegal and execute every conservative in the country the United States would be Heaven. :rolleyes:
 
Scott_Lafrance said:
99% of all the voter fraud investigations and problems reside or are affiliated with the Democrat side of the house.

Not alot of dead people, dogs, illegals and felons voting for Republicans. I mean, if that is the voter base of the Democrat party, you all can own it. 🤷
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If you’re right then Republicans must be more honest…is that why they are fighting so hard in Ohio to make sure those ‘honest’ people get more voting time?
 
seekerz said:
Proof of voting to reduce fraud? What form does that take? Like CMatt, what I can’t wrap my head around is why this voter ID issue just became a problem since 2008.

As for standing up and being a citizen, I’d challenge you to hold two jobs while single-parenting 4 young kids and somehow find the time on a particular weekday to stand 7 hours in a line without endangering either job or children.
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I still have never gotten an answer, so I’ll ask again.

One argument against voter IDs is that is infringes on the constitutional right to vote. And yet, we require proof of id for gun ownership, also a constitutionally protected right.

So doesn’t the constitutional protection argument fall a bit flat?

We can argue whether or not they are necessary, sure, but to argue it violates a constitutional right doesn’t seem to fly.
 
Scott_Lafrance said:
That looks like the same crew that was working a voter registration drive outside the SPCA and the state penitentiary.
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It would have been an even better if the woman with the clipboard was facing the body bag, writing down information for his registration. 😛
 
Ender said:
Inasmuch as boards of elections are made up of equal numbers of Democrats and Republicans and individual boards are free to set their own voting times it seems a bit of a stretch to claim the Republicans acted improperly here … unless you’re suggesting that it was underhanded to get the Democrats to agree with them.
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You must have misread the article. You don’t see anything wrong with Republicans systematically denying extended hours in democratic counties while allowing them in republican counties?
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What - equal representation isn’t enough for you?
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No. Equal access to the polls is though.
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Indeed it is. In this case, however, there is nothing convincing to suggest it has happened.
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I see. So Republicans denying democratic counties extending voting hours, when 82% of early voters cast their ballot after 5PM in the last election, while allowing it in republican counties doesn’t reek of voter disenfranchisement to you?
 
seekerz said:
Like CMatt, what I can’t wrap my head around is why this voter ID issue just became a problem since 2008.
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The date of 2008 is pure invention. Voter fraud has been a national concern at least since the 1960 presidential election. Whatever the truth of what’s going on in Ohio, fraud is a legitimate concern and reasonable steps to eliminate or at least curtail it are not only proper but an obligation of any honest government.

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I’m an outsider, so maybe I am not reading this correctly, but from where I sit, this is not a hard issue.

The same rules need to be in place in every precinct. Period. End of story.
 
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