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rien said:
No. I am not sure about “formal” religion. If I were to embrace a formal religion, yes, it would be Islam.

BTW, it is not just the UK. Islam is fastest growing throughout Europe. In Asia and Africa. In America second to non-bleieivers in being fastest growing.

Spain is returning to its Islamic roots and Spanish Muslims are serving as missionaries in Central America especially.

The message of Islam is clear, not diluted. Rome allows, for financial reasons IMO, the “apostasy” to go on in Europe and America.

But that only works so long and in fact this is why I see benedict’s unilateral “cave-in” to SPPX as more a move of desperation than anything else.

According to a report posted on the CA forums from Remnant, if the SPPX reconciles then one third of French priests will be tradionalist. That tells you how bad the situation is in France -cause there ain’t a thousand SPPX ptriests in France. Like what is the total worldwide - multiple hundreds?.
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You are totally misinformed and totally incorrect…the SPPX are not the Traditionalists and frankly your point is not real clear at all…in fact, its…hmm…sort of …diluted, to use your own choice of words.
 
Maureen_Fiore said:
I am not catholic, I’m LDS. I don’t understand how a church which proclaims that abortion is murder, can give what they call eucharist to one who advocates abortion, has voted to pass laws to strengthen the ability for a mother to abort (murder) her unborn child, and does not repent of those sins. The pastor of this particular church should be disciplined to allow this travesty to exist. And those that wonder why catholic church attendance has decreased, it is because of the hypocritical Leadership of this church.

I copied this statement from the article; But I am a Catholic and I don’t understand it either???
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I’m not LDS, I’m Christian. And a Catholic at that. As the Bible states the one who eats the bread and drinks the cup should discern HIMSELF, as we do not know the soul of our neighbor, we are to lovingly instruct and if after many tries our brother refuses, let him be as a publican, cut off, excommunicated if you will, so that he can be brought back through shame, as St. Paul wrights. To judge the soul of another is to put oneself in the place of God, the only One who judges souls. The Church’s leadership is the Holy Spirit, one person of the Holy Trinity, indivisible from the Father and the Son working through the successor of Peter to whom was given the “Keys to the Kingdom” and the Bishops, successors of the Apostles, in communion with him. The gates of Hell shall not prevail against it, and has not for the last 2000 years, and not for a lack of trying, mind you. The parable of the wheat and the tares indicates the good and the bad will grow together and be harvested at the end of time.

I wrote this in reply to that comment on the CBS news website.
 
I believe Jesus does have something up his sleeve. Could He be winnowing the sheep from the goats? Is He waiting for the truly faithful to stand up and shine the light of truth on the evil being done? The church is Jesus, It can do no wrong, the people in the Church have a hard time doing right. Again we are being called by Christ to witness His Church? Leaving the Church due to people doing wrong is just as wrong.Stay and be a light, let your light illuminate the way.
 
I would have booed him. The church does it self no favors by not expelling pro abort catholics.
 
This story made me so sad (and yes, angry). I talk to too many people who are not catholic and this kind of thing seems to confuse them. Then I talk to young catholics who leave the church because it doesn’t “excite” them but they don’t see a problem with going to a different church because 1. they don’t know anything about their faith and 2. it seems to really not be that different (which brings us back to point 1). Catechesis is more important now than ever and I think a very strong statement by all levels of clergy could be a very powerful teaching tool.
 
Earnest_Bunbury said:
I’m not LDS, I’m Christian. And a Catholic at that. As the Bible states the one who eats the bread and drinks the cup should discern HIMSELF, as we do not know the soul of our neighbor, we are to lovingly instruct and if after many tries our brother refuses, let him be as a publican, cut off, excommunicated if you will, so that he can be brought back through shame, as St. Paul wrights. To judge the soul of another is to put oneself in the place of God, the only One who judges souls. The Church’s leadership is the Holy Spirit, one person of the Holy Trinity, indivisible from the Father and the Son working through the successor of Peter to whom was given the “Keys to the Kingdom” and the Bishops, successors of the Apostles, in communion with him. The gates of Hell shall not prevail against it, and has not for the last 2000 years, and not for a lack of trying, mind you. The parable of the wheat and the tares indicates the good and the bad will grow together and be harvested at the end of time.

I wrote this in reply to that comment on the CBS news website.
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Clear and balanced reporting. 👍 When looking at all human endeavour to do what is right, one should keep in mind the game of bowling! We know what the target is, but it is hard enough to play one perfect game, and even harder to play a perfect game day after day. As long as one understands the real rules that come from the Magisterium, despite some erroneous commentary from all quarters within the RCC local arenas, then one can understand what the object & rules of the game are, and learn to love the game, without disparaging various bowler’s score card. In the end, it is only the individual’s own score card that counts. This is a game of self-improvement.
 
On one thread I am reading about how great it is that the Church is taking back an holocaust denying bishop because it is better to include than exclude. And on this thread I am reading about how wrong it was to allow a catholic to take communion.
 
Valke2 said:
On one thread I am reading about how great it is that the Church is taking back an holocaust denying bishop because it is better to include than exclude. And on this thread I am reading about how wrong it was to allow a catholic to take communion.
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Is the holocaust denying bishop currently formally cooperating with the process of a current holocaust? If a political candidate were to profess that he ideologically supports abortion, but he defers to the Church’s ruling in his actions, especially on behalf of others, then he is a member of the Church who is not giving scandal. This is a big difference. I can rebel against the idea of all Ten Commandments, but if I conform to them then I am not giving scandal. Maybe what I am showing is my adherence to the very 1st commandment, which is the keystone to all others - that is, to love God above all others, most especially myself.
 
I would have gone up and stopped him, for the sake of his life as a Catholic.

For love, I would have not let him to do so. It is very clear that any Catholic in strong political and influential power speaks out against the church is formally excommunicated. In the sense of not being able to receive communion that is.

Biden should NOT receive communion. If he would stood up there for a blessing, I would have let it be. But not for communion.

I fear for his soul, God have mercy.
 
What I don’t understand is we all sit in Church and listen to our Priest tell us that abortion is evil. Our Bishops tell us this as well. Even during this past election we were told repeatedly that abortion was wrong and to vote for candidates that uphold this evil were incorrect. You had to be a moron not to understand where the Catholic Church stood on this subject. Yet a CATHOLIC POLITICIAN who should know their faith are front and center and leading the pack in turning over Roe v. Wade. This is what is upsetting to me. Catholics not Protestants are coming out in full gear to change the laws we have so faithfully put in place by a Protestant President (Bush). Where did the Catholic Church go wrong with the teaching to the Kennedys, Bidens, Pelosis’, Cuomos’. How come these so-called faithful Catholics do the opposite of what the Catholic Church teaches about abortion???
 
rien said:
This is why growing numbers are leaving Catholicism. I did. It was over the priest scandal, but this is just another reason why serious searchesr are finding the Catholic church wanting.

A friend watched the Catholics Come Home video, which is artistically superb, but laughed at the end. The story presented in that “ad” is not the real Catholic church. She too has left the Catholic church for a more coherent and actually lived out faith.

And the buck does not stop with the priest in this case or his bishop. If abortion is murder and if one is to accept what paul says in Scripture about receiving communion in an un-rightteous state, why does not Rome stop it? Where is the shephard?

I’ve heard enough excuses - so too have many it seems.
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To leave the Church that Jesus created because of the failings of it’s members is like abandoning Christ because the Apostles were weak and denied and betrayed Jesus.

It is convenient to blame “the Church” and to go somewhere else where it is easier and you are more accepted by our secular society.

Luckily Jesus didn’t take the easy way out. He did what was right, no matter what the cost, and HE DIED FOR OUR SINS!.

Sancta Maria, Mater Dei, Ora Pro Nobis Peccatoribus!

Mark
 
Many entries on this thread sound like protestant style arguments. If you are Catholic you believe in the Magisterium and you believe that you are blessed by receiving Communion from the consecrated hands of the priest - regardless of what you think of the priest’s practices or lack thereof. It is not for lay people to criticize the Pope, the Archbishop, the Bishop, or the Priest, yet I see that so much. So what if a priest let Joe Biden receive communion; that is the province of the clergy- not the laity sitting the pews.
 
Maureen_Fiore said:
What I don’t understand is we all sit in Church and listen to our Priest tell us that abortion is evil. Our Bishops tell us this as well. Even during this past election we were told repeatedly that abortion was wrong and to vote for candidates that uphold this evil were incorrect. You had to be a moron not to understand where the Catholic Church stood on this subject. Yet a CATHOLIC POLITICIAN who should know their faith are front and center and leading the pack in turning over Roe v. Wade. This is what is upsetting to me. Catholics not Protestants are coming out in full gear to change the laws we have so faithfully put in place by a Protestant President (Bush). Where did the Catholic Church go wrong with the teaching to the Kennedys, Bidens, Pelosis’, Cuomos’. How come these so-called faithful Catholics do the opposite of what the Catholic Church teaches about abortion???
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Because they are cowards.

It deeply saddens me.
 
rien said:
Nor at all. I believe in God as much as ever. I just realized that the Catholic church is not the full witness or expression of God.

One has to die to self to come to that realization and indeed freedom. Things like this are leading many away to a more fuller faith, and I have to think that is all in God’s plan.
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I will try to respond to this charitably.

We can look to the example of St. Francis in this matter: although there were problems in the Church’s leadership at the time, he remained Catholic despite the failings of some leaders. He didn’t go the way others had and left; rather, he stayed there likely because he not only realized it to be Christ’s One True Church but also because the failings of any Catholic cannot change or taint Church teaching. The Church is Christ’s Bride regardless of what its members may do.

Hope this helps.
 
I too think that many priests and bishops are cowards on this matter, but then again many also are very brave. This is how it has been since the beginning of Christianity. Some will persevere and others will not. I consider a priest or bishop giving honor to such a man a mortal sin worse than that of someone who actually carries out an abortion.
 
The way I look at it you don’t leave Jesus Christ’s Church The Catholic Church because of Judas. There are plenty in The Church! Satan is trying to destroy The Church from within,through communist inflatration. Read a book called anti apostle1025 by Tan publishers. There was also a well know past communist, turned Catholic convert Della Dodd. She said the communist party put over thousand communists agents into the seminaries to destroy The Church. These comunist agents goals were to change the way we belive as Catholics slowly. Like a frog in in water and the heat gets turned up gradually until it finally boiled to death. Many priests were indoctrinated with liberation theology and Sal Alinsky’s book “Rules for Radicals” marxists beliefs. They passed these diabolical teachings to the laity. Why do you think we have catholics like Biden, Pelosi, and the Kennedy clan. Why do you think we had a majority of catholics voting for Obama, who happens to be a communist and a usurper of the office of POTUS. Obama also happened to study Sal Alinsky “Rules For Radicals”. The Church will be smaller but holier, like our HolyFather Pope BenedictXVI said. Don’t leave The Church or if you did, come back and find a parish that follows the Church’s Teachings. Remember to pray for all those who have fallen away. May God have mercy on us all!
 
MJE said:
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This could easily be my own parish.
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There’s nothing wrong with standing, & nothing particularly sacred about kneeling. Kneeling is a new-fangled barbarian practice of which several centuries of the Church knew nothing; to this day, the Orthodox (& other Christians, Catholic & not) stand for the Liturgy - they don’t kneel. Even though their Eucharistic doctrine is almost the same as Rome’s.​

Besides, the disposition of the heart is more important than that of the body. Maybe some people should spend less time looking at what others do, & a bit more considering how they themselves behave with God. To read some posts, one might easily think that keeping an eye on what others are doing is a very important part of the Liturgy.
 
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