Vulgar offensive speech

[Greenfields]

Took one glance, and never bothered since.I’m just not into vulgar,never was and never will be.

 

[stupidisasstupiddoes]

Because apparently people who swear a lot can’t hold down a job.

 

[Crusaderbear]

Remind them its a sign of personal ignorance that they can not find better words to build their vocabulary and express their thoughts. Make it a game to find some better words! If that doesn’t work, turn to FindaFriend dot com and be done with them. (I didn’t mean the fidna a friend to try and make a link…I was being facetious!

 

[edwest211]

Get people used to vulgarity - that’s all this is. Watched a few episodes of South Park and nothing since.

 

[adgloriam]

@stupidisasstupiddoes have the courtesy of answering the OP. Swearing is morally wrong - those who find it offensive are in their right. Moral relativism is not to be welcomed by Catholics - regarding language or anything else.

Since you went at length to defend “rude language” and “rude manners” you might accept the challenge to define the importance of “good manners” and “clean language”. [Instead of imposing relativism on sound morals define sound morals in the positive. Why should a person not use foul language?]

[I couldn’t care less for rudeness.]

 

[theCardinalbird]

Tell them…

“Death and life are in the power of the tongue: they that love it, shall eat the fruits thereof”

-Proverbs 18:21

Also people who are vulgar should be advised that their use of colorful words doesn’t help them in life and that it really isn’t the best form of communication, especially with strangers. I live with someone who uses a lot of colorful words (probably the whole rainbow) and it just isn’t acceptable and is honestly not worth it. No good comes from vulgarity (at least I’m not aware of vulgarity being good).

 

[crenfro]

Hello.

I usually tell them it’s been a long time since I’ve heard any good poetry recited.

 

[on_the_hill]

People who use vulgarities as part of their normal speech are probably not creative enough or intelligent enough to get by without using them. It’s not edgy. It’s kind of lame.

It’s also low class.

 

[stupidisasstupiddoes]

define the importance of “good manners” and “clean language”

I’m afraid i couldn’t do that. The people i see in the world with the best manners and cleanest language (politicians) are those with the most rotten morals. I believe in looking at the content and context of something, not falling for the illusion of good morality because it was expressed in ‘clean’ language. Good ideas might well be expressed in hyperbole, in fact they are more likely to be today. In summary, you missed the point of what i was saying.

 

[on_the_hill]

So none of you had a great laugh while watching South Park?

Years ago a friend lent me a VCR tape that had a bunch of South Park episodes on it. He was a huge fan and thought for sure I’d love it. I watched a couple hours worth of episodes and never cracked a smile.

I kind of felt bad for not thinking it was funny.

 

[ThinkingSapien]

There’s a book by Melisa Mohr whose title I cannot post here that is all about a history of bad words and their origins. There are a number of vulgar words in use today that were only considered vulgar because they were how people of the lower class spoke. Having heard of their origins while I don’t use them myself I don’t quite think of them the same any more.

For words that are considered profane (as in thought to corrupt the holy) I can understand why some feel it’s a big deal. For words that are simply vulgar not so much.

If you’ve got any interest in Melisa’s book or wanted to hear a rated PG summary Vsauce did a video based in part on her book.

No curse words, vulgarities, or profane words are actually used in this video.

 

[exnihilo]

I love the show South Park and honestly think it’s an extremely positive show for religion.

Blasphemy isn’t good or positive for religion, at least not the Catholic Faith.

It starts by going out of it’s way to be vulgar and that scares off all the simple minded folk so that the rest of the people still watching can have a deeper dialogue.

It’s not a dialogue.

In that sense, vulgarity is a nice filter because there’s nothing more frustrating than making a big effort to express a complex idea and then have some lowest common denominator moron start picking over the words, as opposed to the meaning.

South Park can be funny. They can explore interesting ideas. I just don’t see how vulgarity adds to it. I’ve seen plenty of works not use vulgarity and are able to express their ideas far better.

 

[stupidisasstupiddoes]

At the end of the day, you can produce a perfect comedy show with perfect Catholic values and it’ll connect with an audience… that is already Catholic and no larger. For the other ~5.8 billion people in the world, athiest media is doing a much better job at reaching them with it’s narrative. Some people really don’t care as long as they are saved, many people on CAF believe that only a small proportion of people could possibly be saved anyway. Personally i like a variety of approaches that reach the widest audience possible. It’s all very well sitting in an echo chamber talking about how great Father Mike Schmitz YouTube talks are but his audience is tiny. Jordan Peterson might not perfectly represent Catholicism but he gets 6 - 50x more interest in his message which is pro-religious if not pro-Catholic.

 

[ATraveller]

Using Scripture only works if they are followers of Jesus. Regardless of faith, telling them you don’t enjoy hearing that stuff once is enough. After that, it’s best to ignore it if they continue.

 

[edwest211]

Offensive is offensive. I haven’t lost my ‘cringe’ reaction when I hear someone go off on a vulgar tirade. I will never, ever lose that. Colorful is the wrong word. Vulgar is correct. The nuns called it gutter language, suitable for a sewer but nothing else. I know a few people who can really mix vulgar words together and it gets old fast. It’s as if they want to be part of the crowd that thinks this ‘makes them a man’ or cool or “free.”

No way.

 

[Greenfields]

Gentleman, gentle woman ,genteel…it’s very good to aspire to being refined…vulgar offensive speech is of the opposite .
I read somewhere that each generation should be or have improved on that last somehow…I don’t think we should be sliding backwards.

 

[Milt]

I suppose you think Beavis and Butthead a couple of Rhodes Scholars too?

I have always considered the simple minded to be those that can not express themselves in an appropriate manner. Complex ideas can and are expressed that way all of the time.

 

[ThinkingSapien]

Vulgar is correct

“Vulgar” had been used as a word to refer to the common person. There was a class of people that looked down on the vulgar (as in the common person sense) people. With them the term carried a negative connotation; they saw the common person as coarse and crude. Over time that connotation became part of the denotation.

I read somewhere that each generation should be or have improved on that last somehow…I don’t think we should be sliding backwards.

There are slight changes in word usage over time (not necessarily from generation to generation, as an individual’s word use can change over time too). The changes don’t necessarily make the language better or worse. There’s different factors behind the change, but it generally changes in the interest of brevity. But the semantic shifts can at time make it difficult to read older documents when some words were used differently. In Shakespeare plays the word “let” has been used a few times to express something that is prohibited, quite the opposite of how most people use it today.

 

[edwest211]

Refined is good. I know refined women who are polite, pleasant and have a wonderful sense of humor. Yes, the backwards slide I watched. First, start with a little, then add a little more and a little more.

We were taught there were limits on behavior and to be well-spoken or not say anything depending on the circumstance. And we had good role models. Today, I don’t know.

 

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