Waiter upset after discovering $20 tip was actually a Bible pamphlet

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twopekinguys said:
Most employers don’t use tips as a reason for lower wages. In many states, it is mandated that servers receive a lower wage, because they receive tips.
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Which states require that tipped employees be paid less? Some states allow it, but I have yet to see a state that requires it. A restaurant owner can pay $20 an hour to servers if he wants, there is no law against that.
 
WJeffrey said:
They are too stupid to realize that someone who you just treated like garbage while dripping with faux piousness isn’t going to listen to your message no matter what it is.
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Not only are they not going to listen to your message they will see from your behavior that the message is a lie, and that followers are not people they like or want to know. And they will tell their friends and family about their treatment at your hands. If you’ve let them know what church you attend they will name it, judging and spreading the word about it being a place of hypocrites.
WJeffrey said:
Religious groups in general cause a universal groan from any Waiter. Fundamentalist Christians are the worst. If you don’t believe me, ask an honest Waiter.
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Yeah a groan, deep sigh, long drawn out ooohh maaan, that ends on a whiny note, and a sympathetic smile or word from fellow servers.
 
QuestLove said:
I am withholding judgement on this story because we could very well find out that it is a hoax.
But assuming it is true, the person who left the tract did not even achieve his/her goal of evangelizing or spreading the gospel. Instead the news story is now about tipping and the deceit used to get the young man in question to read this pamphlet. This certainly hilights to me how the techniques that we use can detract from the real message that we want to send. No one likes the feeling of having been tricked.
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exactly!
 
This isn’t evangelization, except maybe for the Devil. The message sent is that Christians are greedy and mean-spirited. Not only could no one be one this way, it is probable that some will be driven away from the true light of God by the darkness in such an act.

If anyone tips in tracts, please stop. If you want to evangelize that way, go out and do so without cheating and defrauding anyone. If you want to be served at meal time, then pay for that service and stop being a jerk.
 
I know what it is like to work for minimum wage, so I tip generously. Whoever left that pamphlet instead of a real tip is either a real jerk or not very smart. If they meant it as a joke, it was not cool. If they meant it for reals, I would like to ask that person when have they ever heard a conversion story that began with someone reading one of those stupid fake money pamphlets. Only some other Christians find them amusing and I bet the rest, just like non Christians, only find them annoying.
 
twopekinguys said:
Most employers don’t use tips as a reason for lower wages. In many states, it is mandated that servers receive a lower wage, because they receive tips.

What some employers do, and many don’t realize is…if you put the tip on your credit card, many establishments take the credit card fee out of the server’s tip, instead of the establishment paying that transaction fee.

Tips should really be made in cash.

dol.gov/whd/state/tipped.htm
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About the part I underlined. Mandated by who? Is there a law that says restaurants are forbidden to pay waitstaff more than a named amount?
If not, then please explain what this means.
 
twopekinguys said:
There are two different minimum wage scales in the US. One for people who receive tips regularly, and one for those who do not.

For those who do not receive regular tips. dol.gov/whd/minwage/america.htm

For those who do receive regular tips. dol.gov/whd/minwage/america.htm

Federal law sets the minimum standard that states are required to follow. States are free to expand these minimums, but, are not required to.

So yes, in essence, they are mandated to pay a lesser wage to those people who receive tips regularly.
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No. A lower requirement is not a requirement to be lower.
 
LaughingBoy1503 said:
Whoever left that pamphlet instead of a real tip is either a real jerk or not very smart. .
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As the saying goes, it takes all kinds. :o

This may be a little random, but I couldn’t help thinking of an anecdote Dr. Anthony Dragani told (either on the EWTN website or his own website, I forget): he was out dining with a friend, who’s also Catholic. A man who was (I think) Buddhist or Hindu, having heard their conversation, came over and asked them what Catholics believe. This prompted the friend to exclaim “We believe in the Pope! Everyone must obey him to be saved!”
 
Allegra said:
Do you apply this to all industries? For example, do you think that you choose whether or not you pay your doctor, after you have already used his services? Should the cashier that rings up your jeans only be paid if you feel like it and only the amount you see fit? Servers’ pay is designed to be subsidized by tipping. They are generally paid less than minimum wage. Utilizing the “choice” to not tip while partaking of the server’s labor is stealing. Morally, there is no choice, even if skimping is not illegal. The only exception would be in a situation where you know the server is already making a reasonable wage.
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Not tipping is stealing? Wow I 'm not buying your reasoning here at all. Should I tip the blue jeans lady too?
 
I don’t know whether or not tipping is just or unjust. I just know that waitresses and waiters work hard for very little pay. I will let intellectuals argue over the how just or unjust the status quo is. I will tip.
 
BlueEyedLady said:
I used to feel that way. One day, I received particularly bad service and I was livid that the tip was worked in. Then my much more calm, generous husband pointed out that by not tipping, I would be saying that not only am I entitled to go out and be waited on, the person who takes care of me is only worth about $2 an hour. Everyone has bad, embarrassing days at work. No one should have their pay dropped like that because of it.

When servers make so little, tips really aren’t optional, at least not morally.
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If the amount of a tip is discretionary, then aren’t we really saying that servers’ wages are dependent, partially, on the customers’ perceptions of the quality of the service given?

In other words, in other fields, workers are given periodic performance reviews, at which time their pay is adjusted up if their performance exceeds certain expectations. In the service industry, the ‘performance reviews’ happen immediately, and by customers rather than employers. A ‘bad, embarrassing day’ doesn’t affect the server’s base pay for every day going forward – but his ‘performance review’ for that business transaction does reflect the customer’s opinion.

Do some customers abuse this system? Of course; but that ability for each customer to decide for himself seems to be part and parcel of the way the system’s organized. If a customer wishes to say “your pay scale stinks, and so I’m going to tip in a way that’s not reflective of the service you provided me”, then so be it; if another customer wishes to say “I’ve already paid for my meal, so I’m not paying again for service”, then so be it, however inappropriate that may seem.

Some restaurants are moving to tip-free server compensation that bases itself on the performance of the restaurant, and finding it works quite well for them.
 
Not tipping a Server is stealing.

According to the IRS, a Server is required to claim a minimum of 8% of their total sales for the night as income.

Therefore the Waitress is required to report to the government that she received 8% of the total of your bill to the IRS. So when you deadbeat (stiff) a waitress, you are stealing.

It is bad enough that you a taking food out of the mouth’s of the children of a single mother. You are also stealing money from her.

Think about that the next time you scrape together the funds to go to Denny’s. The waitress being paid $2.13 cents per hour for waiting on your snot nosed kids is also being taxed on your bill.

There is nothing worse than a person who preaches religion out of one side of their mouth and then stiffs a waitress.

That is the reason why Servers despise waiting on people in their Sunday’s best. Too many tithe a greater percentage than they leave in tips. An honest Server will tell you that charity ends for many Catholics and Christians in the Church Parking lot.
 
The grand-daddy of Christians Behaving Badly sites is Sundays are the Worst. It’s so popular that it crashes now and then. I tried to save it to the Wayback Machine, but it has a robots.txt subroutine that prevents that. If anyone succeeds in contacting the SatW site owner, ask them if they’d be willing to save it themselves to the Wayback Machine, because it’s too valuable to lose. ***Thirty pages ***of this. Thirty pages!
 
SuperLuigi said:
It seems like every time there is an odd tip issue, it’s front-page news.

**As far as tipping goes, it’s just not fun for me anymore in places that use tips as an excuse to pay workers a low wage.
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One Catholic commentator once said “I don’t mind tipping for good service, but I don’t like having to tip in order to fulfill an obligation for a just wage”.

I think there could be more discussion on this in terms of how restaurants operate.
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So everywhere? It’s pretty much standard policy in the food service industry in my experience that tips are always considered part of the wage. Why I don’t know. I’d prefer we do away with tipping. But we don’t so articles like this get front page news to shame stupid people (like the person who left this tract) into leaving the tip as they’re supposed to. Tips haven’t been a statement on the actual service you received for a very long time. Anyone who doesn’t tip knows they’re taking money out of the pocket of their server. Hence articles like this get written.
 
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