Wake up call most souls go to hell for the sins of the flesh

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I not sure without going through the documents, but as far as I recall, the Blessed Mother never spoke those words to the visionaries, per their testimonies to the Church investigators.

I did not see that statement in any of the documents on Fatima.
 
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Our Lady appeared to Jacinta several times between December 1919 and February 1920. Our Lady told her many things including: "The sins of the world are very great … If men only knew what eternity is, they would do everything in their power to change their lives.” "You must pray much for sinners and priests and religious.” "Priests must be pure, very pure. They should not busy themselves with anything except what concerns the Church and souls. The disobedience of priests and religious to their superiors and to the Holy Father gravely displeases Our Lord.” "Fly from riches and luxury; love poverty and silence; have charity, even for bad people.” "More souls go to Hell because of sins of the flesh than for any other reason.” "Certain fashions will be introduced that will offend Our Lord very much.” "The Mother of God wants more virgin souls bound by the vow of chastity.” "Woe to women wanting in modesty.” "Confession is a sacrament of mercy and we must confess with joy and trust.” "Many marriages are not of God and do not please Our Lord.” "Let men avoid greed, lies, envy, blasphemy, impurity.” "Never speak ill of anyone. Never complain or murmur. Be very patient, for patience leads us to Heaven.”

This vision of hell was the first part of the “secret” of Fatima, and was not revealed until much later. The children looked up to the sad face of the Blessed Virgin, who spoke to them kindly: "You have seen hell where the souls of poor sinners go. To save them, God wishes to establish in the world devotion to my Immaculate Heart. If what I say to you is done, many souls will be saved and there will be peace.
 
convertingtocatholic said:
Most souls go to hell for the lust of the flesh- Our Lady of Fatima
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Question: Would you interpret the sin of the rich man in the parable, who ignored Lazarus at his gate as he “who dressed in purple garments and fine linen and dined sumptuously each day,” to be guilty of sins of the flesh? Is immodesty only in how much skin our garments cover or also in how lavishly we invest in our garments while others want for necessities?
 
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If it’s true that most who are in Hell are there because of sexual sins (and I’m not saying I believe that and I’m not saying I don’t) it’s because sexual sins are the most common. Not because they’re worse than the others.
 
Question: How does anyone know what most people are in hell for? Or what people have been damned for?
 
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convertingtocatholic said:
I’m not sure.
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Well, let’s think about it and think about when Our Lord talked about eternal damnation.
Our Lord said we cannot serve two masters, God and Mammon.
He said if our eye was our undoing, we ought to pluck it out.
He described the Last Judgment in terms of separating those who saw the needs of others and reached out as to the Lord and those who saw those needs and ignored them.
St. Paul describes it this way:
For those who live according to the flesh are concerned with the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the spirit with the things of the spirit. The concern of the flesh is death, but the concern of the spirit is life and peace. For the concern of the flesh is hostility toward God; it does not submit to the law of God, nor can it; and those who are in the flesh cannot please God. But you are not in the flesh; on the contrary, you are in the spirit, if only the Spirit of God dwells in you. Whoever does not have the Spirit of Christ does not belong to him. But if Christ is in you, although the body is dead because of sin, the spirit is alive because of righteousness. If the Spirit of the one who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, the one who raised Christ from the dead will give life to your mortal bodies also, through his Spirit that dwells in you. Consequently, brothers, we are not debtors to the flesh, to live according to the flesh. For if you live according to the flesh, you will die, but if by the spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live. (Rom. 8:5-13)

When Our Lady warned about sins of the flesh, then, it was not a narrow sort of sin, but rather in the broad sense of the World, the Flesh, and the Devil. By the numbers, yes, I would believe that the sins of the flesh are deadly to the most poor souls. She did not say these were the worst sins. She said these sins ensnared the most people. It could be the the World and the Devil are the “one percenters” of sins. She never said those were nothing to worry about. She said the flesh was the area that was the grave problem the most often. You don’t have to be rich or powerful to fall to the sins of the flesh. The sins of the flesh are there to tempt pretty much everybody.

Therefore, Our Lady’s warning should not be taken to mean that we ought to be most concerned about just avoiding a narrow range of sin. That would be a great mistake, and a mistake that the tempter would of course try to ensnare us with: that is, the mistake of believing that the deadly sin most attractive to us isn’t that bad or that we have to be on guard chiefly in one area. No, you don’t guard just one door or one window from thieves. You may watch the ground floor windows more carefully than the second story windows, but that doesn’t mean that all of the windows couldn’t offer a means of entry to a thief.
 
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on_the_hill said:
If it’s true that most who are in Hell are there because of sexual sins (and I’m not saying I believe that and I’m not saying I don’t) it’s because sexual sins are the most common. Not because they’re worse than the others.
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I think Our Lady meant sins of the flesh in the broad sense of the World, the Flesh and the Devil, not in the narrow sense of sexual sins only. Certainly I think she was talking about the most common reason or the reason least likely to be confronted as a serious matter, rather than the worst kind of sins possible.
 
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C.S. Lewis touched on this in The Screwtape Letters (Letter 12):
As this condition becomes more fully established, you will be gradually freed from the tiresome business of providing Pleasures as temptations. As the uneasiness and his reluctance to face it cut him off more and more from all real happiness, and as habit renders the pleasures of vanity and excitement and flippancy at once less pleasant and harder to forgo (for that is what habit fortunately does to a pleasure) you will find that anything or nothing is sufficient to attract his wandering attention. You no longer need a good book, which he really likes, to keep him from his prayers or his work or his sleep; a column of advertisements in yesterday’s paper will do. You can make him waste his time not only in conversation he enjoys with people whom he likes, but in conversations with those he cares nothing about on subjects that bore him. You can make him do nothing at all for long periods. You can keep him up late at night, not roistering, but staring at a dead fire in a cold room. All the healthy and outgoing activities which we want him to avoid can be inhibited and nothing given in return, so that at last he may say, as one of my own patients said on his arrival down here, “I now see that I spent most of my life in doing neither what I ought nor what I liked”. The Christians describe the Enemy as one “without whom Nothing is strong”. And Nothing is very strong: strong enough to steal away a man’s best years not in sweet sins but in a dreary flickering of the mind over it knows not what and knows not why, in the gratification of curiosities so feeble that the man is only half aware of them, in drumming of fingers and kicking of heels, in whistling tunes that he does not like, or in the long, dim labyrinth of reveries that have not even lust or ambition to give them a relish, but which, once chance association has started them, the creature is too weak and fuddled to shake off.

You will say that these are very small sins; and doubtless, like all young tempters, you are anxious to be able to report spectacular wickedness. But do remember, the only thing that matters is the extent to which you separate the man from the Enemy. It does not matter how small the sins are provided that their cumulative effect is to edge the man away from the Light and out into the Nothing. Murder is no better than cards if cards can do the trick. Indeed the safest road to Hell is the gradual one—the gentle slope, soft underfoot, without sudden turnings, without milestones, without signposts,
Your affectionate uncle,
SCREWTAPE
 
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I don’t know where you got this, but I read through the documents of Fatima last night and could not find where the Blessed Mother told Jucinta or Lucia that many souls go to hell because of sins of the flesh.

She did say the Blessed Mother said there are souls in hell and purgatory suffering because there is no one to offer prayers and penances for them.

This doesn’t make sense from what we learned from the other approved apparitions.

I have a problem with Fatima, especially where it was Lucia who told Francesco what the Blessed Mother said, because he could see her, but couldn’t hear her.

Also, things that Lucia wrote in her memoirs decades later, she never mentioned at the time of her interviews about the apparitions.

Fatima is still personal revelation and not necessary for Catholics to believe.

Jim
 
convertingtocatholic said:
Most souls go to hell for the lust of the flesh- our lady of fatima

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Hell is not meant to scare people into believing it is a warning as a loving father would warn his son if he were to do something dangerous.
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I’m sure it’s both.
 
I sincerely hope that you don’t know the destructiveness of lust. If you do, how can you be blind to it?

To all my brothers and sisters in faith: Please pray for me, and I’ll pray for you. Vigilance — and accountability — brings peace.
 
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St Paul in Galatians gives a decent rundown of the ‘sins of the flesh’.

Now the works of the flesh are evident: sexual immorality, impurity, sensuality, idolatry, sorcery, enmity, strife, jealousy, fits of anger, rivalries, dissensions, divisions, envy, drunkenness, orgies, and things like these. I warn you, as I warned you before, that those who do such things will not inherit the kingdom of God. - Gal 5 19-21
 
Neithan said:
I sincerely hope that you don’t know the destructiveness of lust. If you do, how can you be blind to it?

To all my brothers and sisters in faith: Please pray for me, and I’ll pray for you. Vigilance — and accountability — brings peace.
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I didn’t post about lust. Did you intend for this to be directed to me?
 
This should serve as a wake-up call to all those who try to criticize people who want to get married because they know they cannot handle lifelong celibacy.
theorangeandblue said:
Souls only go to Hell if they don’t accept Jesus as their Lord and Savior. Since God who loves us sent His Son Jesus Christ (who is also God) to earth lived a sinless life and died on a cross for the sins of humanity and then rose again.

But God demonstrates His own love toward us in while we were yet sinners Christ died for us.

Romans 5:8

For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son that whoever believes in shall not perish but have eternal life.

John 3:16
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Catholics don’t believe in OSAS (once saved always saved).
 
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But God demonstrates His own love toward us in while we were yet sinners Christ died for us.

Romans 5:8

For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son that whoever believes in shall not perish but have eternal life.

John 3:1
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These Bible verses are very true, there just happens to be many more verses and commands from Jesus to obey and walk in love. OSAS is not Biblical.
As the OP says hell is real.
 
Not the second part. “Sins of the flesh” stem from lust and wrath. You said you “feel so sad” for believing that this leads to hell. You don’t even have to believe in an afterlife to see the hell that these sins bring into lives here on earth and how completely some people give themselves over to it. There is a kind of furious despair about it. Feel sad rather for people who don’t think it matters.
 
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