Wanting to Explore Traditional Catholicism

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I was recently disheartened by the discovery that the celebrant had literally plagarized a Catholic blog for his homily for the Feast of the Immaculate Conception.

I haven’t mentioned anything about this to anyone at the parish but I just felt saddened by the lack of ethics on his part. I know that coming up with a new homily daily on a tight schedule is not at all easy, but he lifted the homily without much revision, and without giving the author (who is a professional writer) any credit.

At the end of the day though we are only human and I kind of feel sorry for him. He must have felt nervous or had a very busy schedule.
 
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Mary_Veronica said:
I was recently disheartened by the discovery that the celebrant had literally plagarized a Catholic blog for his homily for the Feast of the Immaculate Conception.

I haven’t mentioned anything about this to anyone at the parish but I just felt saddened by the lack of ethics on his part. I know that coming up with a new homily daily on a tight schedule is not at all easy, but he lifted the homily without much revision, and without giving the author (who is a professional writer) any credit.

At the end of the day though we are only human and I kind of feel sorry for him. He must have felt nervous or had a very busy schedule.
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I wouldn’t assume the worst just yet. Have you heard that there’s a book that some priests buy where they literally lift the sermon word for word? Maybe he was doing that,
 
Oh, I’m sure that wasn’t the case. He took the homily directly from the Catholic Gentleman site.
 
Maybe it’s just me but I don’t take the sacraments lightly. It seems like by making jokes during the Mass that that’s what the celebrant is doing. Once again, that’s just my opinion.
 
It depends on the context. If he’s trying to get a laugh out of the congregation for no good reason or at an innapropriate time then that’s not good. If there is a good reason in the context of the homily to make a joke then there really is nothing wrong with that.

To be honest, it does seem like you’re nitpicking. There’s nothing wrong with wanting mass to be reverent. And I’m one of those people who would be into seeing the liturgy well done. But there is a balance to be had between wanting the mass to be done well because you love it, and criticising every little thing that you percieve to be wrong with a particular liturgy.
 
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I, personally, don’t really appreciate it when jokes are made during the Sacrifice of the mass. It feels trivialized. But I don’t think we should pick apart everything a priest does either. If we don’t like it, then I guess maybe don’t attend is the best advice I can give.

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You’re right, I am being too critical. I should be able to appreciate the beauty of the Mass overall and concentrate on the precious gift of being in the presence of Christ.

God bless you!
 
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I’ll be honest with you. I sometimes get really annoyed if I’m at mass and a priest commits some minor abuse or does something that is “not quite right”. I spent time with the Dominicans as a novice and they do liturgy very well, so I’m fussy that way.
It also irritates me no end when there are several priests on the altar and a load of extraordinary ministers march up when they are clearly not needed.

But at the end of the day, Christ is present at every mass and that is the important thing. We can do our best to graduallly improve liturgy and all that, but we need to be focused on Jesus when we’re at mass, not mentally correcting all the stuff that might irritate us.
 
Agreed. I think that I will be praying about appreciating the beauty of the Mass and to not be so quick to criticize.
 
Mary_Veronica said:
Hello everyone. I hope you are all having a blessed Advent.

I’m a Catechumen and am feeling frustrated by the Novus Ordo Mass. It’s just too Protestant for me. Plus, the parishioners habitually use the Orans posture during the Mass and no one ever bothers to correct them about this.

I tried to speak to several people about this at my parish but they say I am knit picking.
Maybe I am. It just doesn’t feel Catholic in my heart.

Recently, I have felt this call to attend Traditional Latin Mass and to live as a Traditional Catholic.
I’m just not sure where to start. Is there a book that I can read that will offer guidelines about rubrics for the Latin Mass and also the daily practices for a Traditional Catholic?

Thank you for your time.
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Since you are a Catechumen, I hope you will get this right. Labels for Catholics can be misleading and therefore technically wrong. There is no Traditional or Liberal Catholics but just Catholics. Yes, there are Catholics who do not practice or believe with the same enthusiaism but they are nevertheless Catholics. There is only one teaching and one Church.

You can have preferences for mass, that’s up to you. Know, however, the grace you receive from any valid mass is the same. More importantly, it is your faith - believing that the mass is the highest form of worship, that Jesus is really present and that he speaks to us in the mass through the priest.

That should be your bottom line in believing the Catholic faith. Start from there, because there is a long way to go. Divisions and differences are easy and numerous to come by, but a Catholic must stand by the Church always.
 
Reuben_J said:
There is no Traditional or Liberal Catholics but just Catholics
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Or there are Catholics who believe and baptised Catholics who pick and choose. No point denying that there do exist Catholics that don’t give a hoot about the Church but just want to show up for the “life events”. Then they’ll go off and vote for someone who is rabidly pro-abortion and anti-catholic and support “reproductive rights”.

And there are Catholics who believe that the Eucharist is “just a symbol” and there should be women priests.

It’s not wrong to be aware that not all Catholics believe all that the Church teaches.
 
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Definitely to both responses. I see a lot of support for a schism within the church coming from Traditional Catholics, and I also see a general disgust for Pope Francis. I love Pope Francis and definitely don’t support splitting apart the church for any reason.
 
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I became a Catholic and found the same sort of problems in some parishes. However, you
are free to attend any parish (though I would think that you should keep going to the RCIA at the parish where you began it until this is completed). Consider getting a “Catechism of the Catholic Church” and consult it when issues about doctrine come up (or even in conjunction with the RCIA lessons to better understand the Catholic faith.).
I don’t think you are being too critical, but just having normal reactions. As soon as you put such a post on these forums, you will get completely different reactions. (I even found when I posted that on I occasion needed a thick skin as I read replies.) I would just look them over to decide which I agree with.
 
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R_H_Benson said:
Pope Francis to declare in August “After this magisterium, after this long journey, we can affirm with certainty and magisterial authority that the liturgical reform is irreversible” .
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From a purely utilitarian POV he is correct. The reforms will never be undone.

However, that does not mean that the current version of either TLM or Novus Ordo will remain as they are, or will not undergo their own reforms. Benedict envisioned a natural and slow evolution where both masses inform one another and they organically co-exist.

There has been some experimentation with that already. I think it would be cool to see the OF start incorporating what works about the EF.
 
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I see a lot of support for a schism within the church coming from Traditional Catholics
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All that means is that they are allowing the devil to influence them.

No matter how problematic a certain teaching of the Pope may seem, it’s not an excuse for schism.
 
ChunkMonk said:
There has been some experimentation with that already. I think it would be cool to see the OF start incorporating what works about the EF.
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Yeah. A lot of priests are more open to it nowadays too.

When I got married the mass was novus ordo, but it had a lot of latin and traditional hymns, and the consecration was done in the traditional manner, with the priest and people facing in the same direction. It worked very well and people came to me after and commented that it seemed like a lovely way to do things.

I imagine more masses will be like that in the future.
 
Is there a book that I can read that will offer guidelines about rubrics for the Latin Mass and also the daily practices for a Traditional Catholic?
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Yes, it is called the Roman Missal, which contains all the readings for the Masses said throughout the year, as well as the canon of the Mass (i.e., those sections of the Mass that remain constant throughout the year). There are several versions. Perhaps the most traditional and thorough is the St. Andrew’s Daily Missal. You can find a copy on Amazon or on the web for about $60. Baronius Press and Angelus Press have their own versions as well. Get the St. Andrew’s - You won’t be disappointed.

There is also the Latin-English Booklet Missal For Praying The Traditional Mass by the Coalition in Support of Ecclesia Dei. It is much shorter, but commonly found at many Latin Mass parishes. It contains the canon of the Mass and might make a good starting point.
 
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