If one decides that they are Jesus Christ, the Pope or Napolean, it would be foolish to support them financially by buying their materials and giving their ideas credibility. The burden of proof for such outrageous claims is great indeed. I did find it interesting that one of their doduments in on “no salavation outside the church.” This is the very situation they are in, unless one allows the Church to be redefined subjectively as one’s own group.
If the Church is in fact false and has been for the last 50 years, and if this one man (or others like him) have in fact been the ones who are “really” the Church, then the Holy Spirit has truly let the gates of Hell prevail. The primacy of Peter and apostolic succession have become meaningless.
I am not going to rehash all the reasons, both psychological and theological that sedevacantism is absurd. That has been done to death here and those threads can be searched out. I will say that when you claim that you and your fellow traditionalist will “reject all that opposes His true church” that you are wrong. If you were to join the traditionalist threads and get to know “most traditionalist” you would find them loyal to the Church and loving of their non-tradionalist brothers. It is you who are the exeption, even amoung traditionalists. Don’t believe me? Start a poll and see how far you get.
Where, exactly, do you see anyone claiming to be Jesus Christ, Napoleon, etc.? All that MHFM does, basically, is quote past popes and the Traditional Magisterium to back up their claims. Obviously you have not read their web site, but passed judgment before taking a good look at what they have to say.
No Salvation Outside the Church… I have that book. It is filled with ex cathedra (infallible) quotes from popes and Church Councils, all of whom agree with Christ who established a Church and insisted that we believe ALL that He has taught if we hope to be saved.
Where in Scripture do you read anything to infer that Christ ever said, that as long as you believe MOST of what I have taught, you will be saved. All nonCatholic religions are a rejection of Christ and those who reject Christ, including those who believe and practice the new theology of the Vatican II Church and its popes will not be saved. It makes no sense to believe otherwise.
If God is Almighty then God has placed a yearning for the whole truth within all of us. If God is not Almighty then he has allowed some to remain ignorant. Christ tells us every hair on our heads is numbered. Does this sound as if he has forgotten some of us?
These men do not claim to be the true church; they simply claim that the true Church for the past 50 years has not been in Rome, but elsewhere in those who continue to believe and practice true Catholic Tradition. Take a good look at the Vatican II theology and what it’s popes teach and you have to be blind not to see the contrast. They preact true Catholic theology but cancel it out with ambiguous statements mixed with truth. There is no place for ambiguity in truth. New CCC 1860: “…The promptings and feelings and passions can also diminish the voluntary and free character of the offense, as can external pressures or pathological disorders.” In other words, if someone prsssures you into an immoral act or you are too weak to resist, then you have not committed a mortal sin. If this is the case, then why bother with any of the Commandments or even the new CCC at all? Claim you are weak and be guilt free. Christ says the opposite. He holds us liable for all of our sins and tells us we are weak but he is strong and that we can do all things through him who strengthens us. Unless we call on him in our weakness we will be lost. But that’s not what your Novus Ordo church teaches at all.
The Holy Spirit has not abandoned his Church. Either you believe that Christ has allowed a terribly tainted church that needs repair from countless heresies, or you believe that Christ’s true Church remains pure and perfect as it has been built as he promised and not one error has been able to infiltrate into her truths and compromise anything. That Church exists in her faithful and in her written Tradition and Scripture, in what you call “old”. You can’t erase what has been built by Christ and HIs Holy Spirit.
Your Novus Ordo “Love” means compromise and kowtowing to the will of the majority. If you recall, There was no crowd beneath the Cross on Calvary.
True love consists in taking your licks from those who refuse to hear your case and praying for their souls anyway. The only true love in this world is concern for the eternal salvation of souls at whatever cost is required. Truth in His Traditional Scripture and Divine Revelation through Popes, Councils and Fathers and Doctors of the true Chruch decides what God wants from us, not meaningless polls.
