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Servant19
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It’s a way of saying “don’t live anywhere except…”
“In the Sahara desert, dwell not save next to a rich oasis” (for example)
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“In the Sahara desert, dwell not save next to a rich oasis” (for example)
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Servant19
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This is the usual retort from Christians who no longer can rationalise a coherent response.
Baha’u’llah did not deny the Incarnation of the Word of God. That is consistent with Baha’i belief. How is that twisting things?
I don’t know how I can be more clear…(maybe you just cant believe what you are reading?)
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Servant19
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Can you rephrase this please Gary?
I cannot understand it grammatically. My apologies
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Techno2000
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Servant19… please don’t be Bamboozled and mesmerized by Baha’u’llah’s… flowery, convoluted and vague writings.
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Techno2000
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It doesn’t mean that… because it has no meaning at all.
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Servant19
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When I was a child at school, our English teacher always spoke to us in a language reminiscent of advanced literature. None of us could understand fully what he was talking about. One day we asked him if he could please use much easier language for us to understand? He said:
“Come up with me
”He was always there to help us understand the bigger words, the more poetic terminologies and it’s the greatest gift anyone has ever given me. It enables me to read the Writings of Bahaullah and to understand them.
We live in a period where Bahais are more than willing to sacrifice their time and lives and assist people to comprehend this Word of God. Beauty is an attribute of God and His Word should be beautiful.
When we attain a certain level of skill and proficiency to read (and it does take a little practice, not too much) we will suddenly see that we are able to inspire others with our language.
“A kindly tongue is the lodestone to men’s hearts…”
This is one way in which we can be born into God, through the beauty of our language…
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Techno2000
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As GaryTaylor has so astutely pointed out, this is some kind of poetry, at best it could just be the convoluted poetry of Baha’u’llah at worst it could be…
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Servant19
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Well please show me which other poetry in history has resulted in millions of people to sacrifice their lIves for Him, to give up their lives for His Cause?
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GaryTaylor
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Joe Smith who also wrote his own understanding of the Holy Spirit having carnal relations on earth.
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Techno2000
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You contradict yourself when you say… Baha’u’llah has come along with a New Revelation for Man to better understand God, but this New Revelation… no one can understand !When I was a child at school, our English teacher always spoke to us in a language reminiscent of advanced literature. None of us could understand fully what he was talking about. One day we asked him if he could please use much easier language for us to understand? He said:
“Come up with me
He was always there to help us understand the bigger words, the more poetic terminologies and it’s the greatest gift anyone has ever given me. It enables me to read the Writings of Bahaullah and to understand them.
We live in a period where Bahais are more than willing to sacrifice their time and lives and assist people to comprehend this Word of God. Beauty is an attribute of God and His Word should be beautiful.
When we attain a certain level of skill and proficiency to read (and it does take a little practice, not too much) we will suddenly see that we are able to inspire others with our language.
“A kindly tongue is the lodestone to men’s hearts…”
This is one way in which we can be born into God, through the beauty of our language…
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Techno2000
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Sacrifice their lives for who… Baha’u’llah ?
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GaryTaylor
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And if ask you get more poetry, lots of poetry but no concrete answers only denial of each and every world faith. Thats not even intellectual or logical,
God didn’t become Incarnate, and men become Angels, who had sex with Mary, and how did that happen? Intellectually and logically speaking? And that would mean we have not only lesser deities, but many since I would have to conclude according to what Baha’i accepts of Luke is the Holy Spirit is in question here “from Servant” but he fails to elaborate on any of this.
No one can understand this Incarnation of Baha’i and Servant clearly stated he believed Jesus was Incarnate.
I cannot understand it as Servant states. He’s very big on grammar but lacking in articulating a response.
God didn’t become Incarnate, and men become Angels, who had sex with Mary, and how did that happen? Intellectually and logically speaking? And that would mean we have not only lesser deities, but many since I would have to conclude according to what Baha’i accepts of Luke is the Holy Spirit is in question here “from Servant” but he fails to elaborate on any of this.
No one can understand this Incarnation of Baha’i and Servant clearly stated he believed Jesus was Incarnate.
I cannot understand it as Servant states. He’s very big on grammar but lacking in articulating a response.
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Techno2000
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Gary, I don’t understand what you mean by … men become Angels, who had sex with Mary can you elaborate ?
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Servant19
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The education system in the US needs to lift itself then
The poorest and the least educated are able to understand Baha’u’llah’s Revelation, simply because they want to give it a chance.
Look at India:
youtube.com/watch?v=cWrlV7QCT3A
These people are farmers and villagers, yet a vast number of people in that town are Baha’is, and lo and behold that wretched caste system which is the source of hatred and prejudice throughout India, is suddenly replaced with love, unity and understanding…
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Techno2000
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Well if the writing of Baha’u’llah are so easy to understand, why is there a official interpreter of them in the person of his son Abdu’l-Bahá ?The education system in the US needs to lift itself then
The poorest and the least educated are able to understand Baha’u’llah’s Revelation, simply because they want to give it a chance.
Look at India:
youtube.com/watch?v=cWrlV7QCT3A
These people are farmers and villagers, yet a vast number of people in that town are Baha’is, and lo and behold that wretched caste system which is the source of hatred and prejudice throughout India, is suddenly replaced with love, unity and understanding…
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Servant19
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By “Interpreter” is meant to “to elaborate further”, not to unjumble a foreign language.
Bahais have to read the Writings of Bahaullah every morning and night, so most people would struggle with that if what you are saying is true. It’s not. I’ve not met one person who refuses to read His Words
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Techno2000
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I used the wrong word Sorry.
Bahá’u’lláh establishes ‘Abdu’l-Bahá’s authority as the Center of the Covenant (Bahá’u’lláh’s Covenant being the means by which He provided for the succession of leadership and the interpretation of His teachings after His passing).
My station is the station of servitude—a servitude which is complete, pure and real, firmly established, enduring, obvious, explicitly revealed and subject to no interpretation whatever . . . I am the Interpreter of the Word of God; such is my interpretation."
bahai-encyclopedia-project.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=81:abdul-baha-abbas-1844-1921&catid=36:administrationinstitutions
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GaryTaylor
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Was Baha’u’llah a Saint ? Is it plausible? Of course it is. In which case Jesus Christ would have immediately corrected his misunderstandings if that be the case. 
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GaryTaylor
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I only understand the Incarnation through the Church, I get what Islam is saying sorta. What is Baha’l specifically saying about this same documented event?
Further I guess you believe men can become angels though thats questionable by the on-going conversation, as I posted a link. So with that I’ll give it the benefit of the doubt as you seem to state otherwise, what does men becoming angels mean in relation to heaven? Are we talking symbolic or literal?
From there we can proceed i hope.
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Techno2000
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Are you asking me, Techno this ?
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