Was Genesis wrong about creation?

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angel12:
You know better than the Church about that?
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I am using Church teaching.
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Here we have the double edged sword of ignorance coupled with individualism, neither of which steer people to the Catholic Church.

Everyone is entitled to his/her own opinion and particular expression of personal faith, and that personal aspect of faith is to be respected.
But when your point of view claims to be “Catholic”, it must be held up to the Church at large and the integrity of the point of view must be examined.

Let me just say, it is an onerous burden for any individual to take on a point of view that grates against the Church’s thinking. The risk of a strident point of view that is errant is to cause scandal for others. Causing scandal is a sin, and a very serious one.
 
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Gorgias said:
Anyway, I’m not sure why you think this is controversial. The claim of theistic evolutionists would be that our first human parents became such when God ensouled them.
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And those opposed would say no way. Adam and Eve were not evolved, but created archetypes.

If the Church permits it why then all the opposition? The Church has always taught the immediate creation of Adam and Eve.

Now on to the provisional science claims.
First they said - Adam and Eve did not exist
Then they did but were separated by several hundred thousand years
Now they say they were contemporaries, but didn’t know each other.

What will be next? They lived in the same village? lol
 
buffalo said:
And those opposed would say no way. Adam and Eve were not evolved, but created archetypes.
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The thing is, you’re using this issue as a means to ‘prove’ that the Church only allows your take on things. It doesn’t. It allows for evolution (as long as certain erroneous beliefs aren’t posited).
buffalo said:
If the Church permits it why then all the opposition?
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Because some don’t listen to what the Church teaches, and follow their own opinion instead?
buffalo said:
Now on to the provisional science claims.
First they said - Adam and Eve did not exist
Then they did but were separated by several hundred thousand years
Now they say they were contemporaries, but didn’t know each other.
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Oh boy. I have no idea who the “they” are, but I’ve got a bad feeling that you’re talking about ‘Mitochondrial Eve’ and 'Y Chromosome Adam". If you, then it appears that you misunderstand what those two terms mean. They’re not a scientist’s attempt to assent to an “Adam and Eve”. In fact, there is no single “mitochondrial Eve” – it’s a term that’s relative (to all living persons).
 
Gorgias said:
In fact, there is no single “mitochondrial Eve” – it’s a term that’s relative (to all living persons).
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In human genetics, the Mitochondrial Eve (also mt-Eve, mt-MRCA) is the matrilineal most recent common ancestor (MRCA) of all currently living humans, i.e., the most recent woman from whom all living humans descend in an unbroken line purely through their mothers, and through the mothers of those mothers, back until all lines converge on one woman. Mitochondrial Eve - Wikipedia
 
buffalo said:
The Doctrine of Adam and Eve does not allow it.
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Given that popes - popes! - have said that it’s acceptable to consider the theory of evolution, the “doctrine of Adam and Eve” isn’t quite what you appear to think it is. 😉
buffalo said:
In human genetics, the Mitochondrial Eve (also mt-Eve, mt-MRCA) is the matrilineal most recent common ancestor (MRCA) of all currently living humans
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Right. In other words, “Mitochondrial Eve” isn’t “Eve”. In fact, she’s not even the “first human ancestor”. She’s just the “most recent common ancestor of all currently living humans.” So, this isn’t relevant to the present discussion.
 
Gorgias said:
Right. In other words, “Mitochondrial Eve” isn’t “Eve”. In fact, she’s not even the “first human ancestor”. She’s just the “most recent common ancestor of all currently living humans.” So, this isn’t relevant to the present discussion.
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Give it time, give it time. Could be Noah’s wife…
 
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buffalo said:
Give it time, give it time. Could be Noah’s wife…
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:roll_eyes:

I’m about to give up hope that you understand what Mitochondrial Eve and Y-Chromosome Adam are meant to represent. You realize that they don’t speak to single individuals, right? These are measures – and the individual they point to can change over time, as human populations change over time.

It’s kind of like saying “buffalo’s oldest living female relative”. At one point in time, that might mean your great-grandmother. At another point, your grandmother. At still a later point in time, it might mean your aunt, or sister, or even daughter!
 
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No, Genesis isn’t wrong. However, imagine trying to tell people from 1500 BC about life in 21st century? You’d have to make some modifications in vebage to get your point across.
Yet, what evolutionists pick at isn’t even a major point in Genesis.
I defer to John 16 where Jesus said the Holy Spirit would come and teach us all we need to accomplish his will for us.
I am an epidemiology research who knows science, but it only completes more and more of the mystery and awesomeness in creation.
Stick with people eating same diet you are.
Shalom, Jackson
 
buffalo said:
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Gorgias:
The thing is, you’re using this issue as a means to ‘prove’ that the Church only allows your take on things. It doesn’t. It allows for evolution (as long as certain erroneous beliefs aren’t posited).
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The Doctrine of Adam and Eve does not allow it.

I can help bring you up to speed:

Genetic Adam and Eve did not live too far apart in time

Genetic Adam and Eve did not live too far apart in time | Nature
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You are wrong. End of story. You’ve been wrong for the last year and a half, and the forum would do well to put an end to this nonsense.
IMHO.
 
goout said:
You are wrong. End of story. You’ve been wrong for the last year and a half, and the forum would do well to put an end to this nonsense.
IMHO.
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It is much longer than that. Over a decade.

Catholic fascism would not be a good thing.

My case is stronger today than it was back then.
 
Jackson said:
No, Genesis isn’t wrong. However, imagine trying to tell people from 1500 BC about life in 21st century? You’d have to make some modifications in vebage to get your point across.
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It may have been a problem for Adam. Originally he had the preternatural gift of infused knowledge. He was the guy who had to try and pass it down. What were the limits of God’s infusion of knowledge we do not know.
 
Wow, did you attend a Yeshiva? 😭
Some things… Put it this way, we all don’t have the same talents, gifts etcetera. What occurred way back when isn’t as troubling for me. I prefer to travel within the context and neighborhood of Messiah Yehoshua’s ministry.

But I will say this: your question is familiarly Freemason based in Luciferian construct. Not saying that you are either, but it sounds familiar.
GLORY TO GOD IN THE HIGHEST!
Jackson
 
buffalo said:
What were the limits of God’s infusion of knowledge we do not know.
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Let me say this about knowledge: the vast majority of what the world teaches isn’t worth paper it’s written on. You refer to intellect, but that’s not where we intuit the Most High nor is it the realm where the Ruach of Elohim (Holy Spirit) imparts spiritual knowledge spoken of by Yehoshua in John 16.
Not trying to give you ANY hard feelings, whatsoever. Just need to clarify between intellect of mind or brain, and eternal depth of soul.
As far as Elohim is concerned, nothing unholy or profane can witness the presence of the Eternal Mighty El Elyon, at least not in the realms beyond this world.
 
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The Age of Enlightenment that glorified mythology in architecture philosophy and art, was one of the darkest all human chapters. The illuminati were given a lie.
" Thank you Father for hiding these truth from the wicked and profane, and for revealing them to humble and simple of heart. " Yehoshua Natzeret. Yet we were warned of this all, yes?
 
Ahhh, scholars you say?
Hmmm. 🤔
We’ll if it was scholars then we know they got it wrong. 🙃
 
Not sure about that. Torah Code discoverer Eliyahu Ripps, and researcher Rabbi Glaserson, along with help of Tanakh show to us, that Tanakh is vastly multidimensional considering codes are more than wide and long; they have depths and dimensions unfathomable, hence the last sentence warning written in complete Tanakh about changing anything within it.
The more the Word is revealed the more perfectly purposeful it becomes: a definition of science of the soul.
 
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