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theCardinalbird
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buffalo
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Ark of the Covenant?The tablets someone suggested God himself wrote Genesis on.
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buffalo
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Micro-evolution I accept. There is no empirical evidence for macro-evolution or molecules to man.
Earth could be old, but I see no reason that God needed to wait that long to come up with Adam. There is no empirical evidence for a 4 billion year old earth
Earth could be old, but I see no reason that God needed to wait that long to come up with Adam. There is no empirical evidence for a 4 billion year old earth
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thistle
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Frankly, I am speechless that anyone could possibly be so foolish as to think the Earth is only around 10,000 years old.
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buffalo
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Yes, when one is told over and over and over that it is really old, it is most difficult for a paradigm switch to happen.Frankly, I am speechless that anyone could possibly be so foolish as to think the Earth is only around 10,000 years old.
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PJM
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My FRIEND, my comment was NOT argumenative:grinning:EXCUSE ME BUT why do we Catholics need a defense for Genesis when the real issue is you apparently NOT correctly understanding it.
Be specific and I]ll be specific in my replies.
God Bless you,
Patrick
It certainly was no “attack”; it was an honest question; in my opinion your not understanding Genesis is the core issue; which for that book is not unusual given the variety of literature forms employed in its narration.
I am truly sorry for my POST being taken as an “attack.”; it certainly was not in tended that way.
If you’d care to be more specific; more precise and quote or reference passages; I and I suspect, others as well would be happy to assist your understanding.
God Bless and PLEASE do accept my apology:smiley:
Patrick
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angel12
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More like, when one has some basic grasp of science.Yes, when one is told over and over and over that it is really old, it is most difficult for a paradigm switch to happen.
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buffalo
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Are you referring to provisional science? And ignore the latest science?More like, when one has some basic grasp of science.
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theCardinalbird
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Ok thank you for the apology. I was probably too harsh. Trying to find the tone in someone’s post is hard. I’m also sorryMy FRIEND, my comment was NOT argumenative:grinning:
It certainly was no “attack”; it was an honest question; in my opinion your not understanding Genesis is the core issue; which for that book is not unusual given the variety of literature forms employed in its narration.
I am truly sorry for my POST being taken as an “attack.”; it certainly was not in tended that way.
Ok. Genesis 1:1-31 speak of creation in a 24 hour day period (it seems). My question is, does a literal or even figurative understanding of this creation story fit in with what modern science has concluded about the origins of the universe? Or our planet?If you’d care to be more specific; more precise and quote or reference passages; I and I suspect, others as well would be happy to assist your understanding.
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BlueMaxx
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Who do you think “invented” science?
Hint: He exists outside the realms and bounds of what He created…
You are asking questions that have not, can not, will not be answered this side of the veil.
This subject causes contention…so try a little faith and prayer…as I mentioned in my above post, nothing will be settled here, nothing new uncovered, no new evidence or epiphanies will suddenly appear…
The beauty of it all is that we as Catholics can come together with polar opposite interpretations of Genesis and still have the same goal and mission…
Love one another…
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Hint: He exists outside the realms and bounds of what He created…
You are asking questions that have not, can not, will not be answered this side of the veil.
This subject causes contention…so try a little faith and prayer…as I mentioned in my above post, nothing will be settled here, nothing new uncovered, no new evidence or epiphanies will suddenly appear…
The beauty of it all is that we as Catholics can come together with polar opposite interpretations of Genesis and still have the same goal and mission…
Love one another…
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thistle
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There is ZERO evidence for a young Earth, e.g. 10,000 years old. Anyone who thinks they simply need to add up the generations in the Bible to determine the age of the earth is clearly in need of medical help!
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BlueMaxx
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So calling someone mentally ill seems like an appropriate response, eh?
You nor I were there…who are YOU to call someone mentally ill for simply believing what God has said…for having faith…or are you saying God is not capable of something? Are you denying His omnipotence?
All I am trying to say is that we can have it both ways without being insulting…
Job 38 Revised Standard Version Catholic Edition (RSVCE)
The Lord Answers Job
38 Then the Lord answered Job out of the whirlwind:
2 “Who is this that darkens counsel by words without knowledge?
3 Gird up your loins like a man,
I will question you, and you shall declare to me.
4 “Where were you when I laid the foundation of the earth?
Tell me, if you have understanding.
5 Who determined its measurements—surely you know!
Or who stretched the line upon it?
6 On what were its bases sunk,
or who laid its cornerstone,
7 when the morning stars sang together,
and all the sons of God shouted for joy?
8 “Or who shut in the sea with doors,
when it burst forth from the womb;
9 when I made clouds its garment,
and thick darkness its swaddling band,
10 and prescribed bounds for it,
and set bars and doors,
11 and said, ‘Thus far shall you come, and no farther,
and here shall your proud waves be stayed’?
12 “Have you commanded the morning since your days began,
and caused the dawn to know its place,
13 that it might take hold of the skirts of the earth,
and the wicked be shaken out of it?
14 It is changed like clay under the seal,
and it is dyed[a] like a garment.
15 From the wicked their light is withheld,
and their uplifted arm is broken.
16 “Have you entered into the springs of the sea,
or walked in the recesses of the deep?
17 Have the gates of death been revealed to you,
or have you seen the gates of deep darkness?
18 Have you comprehended the expanse of the earth?
Declare, if you know all this.
19 “Where is the way to the dwelling of light,
and where is the place of darkness,
20 that you may take it to its territory
and that you may discern the paths to its home?
21 You know, for you were born then,
and the number of your days is great!
22 “Have you entered the storehouses of the snow,
or have you seen the storehouses of the hail,
23 which I have reserved for the time of trouble,
for the day of battle and war?
24 What is the way to the place where the light is distributed,
or where the east wind is scattered upon the earth?
25 “Who has cleft a channel for the torrents of rain,
and a way for the thunderbolt,
26 to bring rain on a land where no man is,
on the desert in which there is no man;
27 to satisfy the waste and desolate land,
and to make the ground put forth grass?
28 “Has the rain a father,
or who has begotten the drops of dew?
29 From whose womb did the ice come forth,
and who has given birth to the hoarfrost of heaven?
30 The waters become hard like stone,
and the face of the deep is frozen.
31 “Can you bind the chains of the Plei′ades,
or loose the cords of Orion?
You nor I were there…who are YOU to call someone mentally ill for simply believing what God has said…for having faith…or are you saying God is not capable of something? Are you denying His omnipotence?
All I am trying to say is that we can have it both ways without being insulting…
Job 38 Revised Standard Version Catholic Edition (RSVCE)
The Lord Answers Job
38 Then the Lord answered Job out of the whirlwind:
2 “Who is this that darkens counsel by words without knowledge?
3 Gird up your loins like a man,
I will question you, and you shall declare to me.
4 “Where were you when I laid the foundation of the earth?
Tell me, if you have understanding.
5 Who determined its measurements—surely you know!
Or who stretched the line upon it?
6 On what were its bases sunk,
or who laid its cornerstone,
7 when the morning stars sang together,
and all the sons of God shouted for joy?
8 “Or who shut in the sea with doors,
when it burst forth from the womb;
9 when I made clouds its garment,
and thick darkness its swaddling band,
10 and prescribed bounds for it,
and set bars and doors,
11 and said, ‘Thus far shall you come, and no farther,
and here shall your proud waves be stayed’?
12 “Have you commanded the morning since your days began,
and caused the dawn to know its place,
13 that it might take hold of the skirts of the earth,
and the wicked be shaken out of it?
14 It is changed like clay under the seal,
and it is dyed[a] like a garment.
15 From the wicked their light is withheld,
and their uplifted arm is broken.
16 “Have you entered into the springs of the sea,
or walked in the recesses of the deep?
17 Have the gates of death been revealed to you,
or have you seen the gates of deep darkness?
18 Have you comprehended the expanse of the earth?
Declare, if you know all this.
19 “Where is the way to the dwelling of light,
and where is the place of darkness,
20 that you may take it to its territory
and that you may discern the paths to its home?
21 You know, for you were born then,
and the number of your days is great!
22 “Have you entered the storehouses of the snow,
or have you seen the storehouses of the hail,
23 which I have reserved for the time of trouble,
for the day of battle and war?
24 What is the way to the place where the light is distributed,
or where the east wind is scattered upon the earth?
25 “Who has cleft a channel for the torrents of rain,
and a way for the thunderbolt,
26 to bring rain on a land where no man is,
on the desert in which there is no man;
27 to satisfy the waste and desolate land,
and to make the ground put forth grass?
28 “Has the rain a father,
or who has begotten the drops of dew?
29 From whose womb did the ice come forth,
and who has given birth to the hoarfrost of heaven?
30 The waters become hard like stone,
and the face of the deep is frozen.
31 “Can you bind the chains of the Plei′ades,
or loose the cords of Orion?
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PJM
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Thank YOU!
Great question and may I suggest that we discuss it nn E-Mail where space is not restricted as it is here on CAF.
Mine is: patrickmiron66@hotmail.com
I’ll start working on my reply,
God Bless you,
Patrick
Great question and may I suggest that we discuss it nn E-Mail where space is not restricted as it is here on CAF.
Mine is: patrickmiron66@hotmail.com
I’ll start working on my reply,
God Bless you,
Patrick
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PJM
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My new friend,
I have completed my initial reply to your question. It is several pages long, so I hope to hear from you with a E-Mail address that we can use for future discussions.
God Bless you,
Patrick
I have completed my initial reply to your question. It is several pages long, so I hope to hear from you with a E-Mail address that we can use for future discussions.
God Bless you,
Patrick
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thistle
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Show me one shred of evidence for a young Earth!! It makes absolutely no sense at all. As I said the people who simply add up the generations in the Bible are living in fantasyland if that it what they call evidence.So calling someone mentally ill seems like an appropriate response, eh?
You nor I were there…who are YOU to call someone mentally ill for simply believing what God has said…for having faith…or are you saying God is not capable of something? Are you denying His omnipotence?
All I am trying to say is that we can have it both ways without being insulting…
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Cyril
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Yes there is, the rate of expansion of the universe.
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FiveLinden
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To te OP: It depends what you mean by ‘wrong’. As a literal summary of what happened int he development of the earth yes it is wrong. No, there is not a sea above the blue dome we imagine we see when we look at the sky. No, modern species and all extinct species did not come into being separately one from the other. They are related by decent. As an allegory roughly in line with Catholic teaching about the origins of the universe it works perfectly well. Of course you would expect that because Catholic teachings developed as people sought to make sure they did not contradict a possible reading of scripture. As literature it’s a bit muddled, for example the two and contradictory accounts of the creation of people. And the plot leaves out obviously needed facts - who did the children of Adam and Eve marry? The snake’s motivations are not explained. As theology it identifies a God who acts against innocent future generations, and entirely innocent non-animals to cause them pain, suffering and death as a result of disobedience over what seems to be the pursuit of knowledge, something we know to be inbuilt in humans. The extraordinary thing is that so many praise and worship and give thanks to such a God.
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buffalo
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The two creation accounts are complementary. One is about the order of creation. The second is the importance of man.As literature it’s a bit muddled, for example the two and contradictory accounts of the creation of people. And the plot leaves out obviously needed facts - who did the children of Adam and Eve marry?
Incest was necessary in the beginning.
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buffalo
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Hmmmmm, there is much water in space.No, there is not a sea above the blue dome we imagine we see when we look at the sky.
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buffalo
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Yes, they did. While common descent is true, universal common descent is not.No, modern species and all extinct species did not come into being separately one from the other. They are related by decent.
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