Was I wrong? question about Christmas & Easter Catholics

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Our parish is big and growing. We have outgrown our current church and are in the final stages of fundraising, planning and permitting to build a new church. We will probably break ground this summer, praise God!

Anyway, this means that in the winter when the older folks are here, having run from the cold weather to warmer climes (snowbirds), you have to get to church early to get a seat. You show up less than 20 minutes before Mass starts, and you are really pushing your luck. On Christmas and Easter, that means you better show up at least a half hour before Mass, or you may end up standing through the whole thing. Wearing heels and trying to corral five kids, 11 through 18 months… that’s a big deal. We regularly have overflow Masses in one of the church halls, and another offsite Mass at a school, during this time of year.

So anyway, we got to the church early enough to actually get seats for all of us in the church this year, which is rare. We usually end up in the overflow on Easter. An extended family sat behind us with two little girls. It was obvious to me that these little girls either never go to church, or go to a nursery or playroom if they do. They were having real trouble with controlling themselves, and their mother didn’t bother to modulate her voice to a quieter tone, either. During every song, she seemed to think it was just fine to chatter with her girls, in a fairly loud conversational voice.

I understand that that is just part of going to Mass on Christmas or Easter. There are people who go to Mass those two days of the year who never otherwise go. And, at least they are there on those days. I accept that it’s part of the deal.

Through the talking, and the coloring books, the loud questions and comments from the girls… I didn’t say anything. I understand that that mom was just trying to keep two little ones entertained for whom this is not usual. And Lord knows, my kids have had their times when I wanted to crawl under the pew and deny they are mine! Since I have had kids, I have become much less intolerant of people’s struggles with their little ones at Mass! I can ignore or even smile in sympathy at a lot!

However, when the mother brought out the clickety-clackety wind up Easter Bunny toy, I got irritated. I was hoping she would realize how loud and inappropriate it was after the first time or two she wound it up. No dice, there. Her girls were making it hop along on the back of the pew, and trying to get my daughter to play with it too. I scooped up my daughter and told her, “No, you can’t have that.” I was hoping that might be enough of a hint, but no dice again. Through the consecration and most of the later part of the Liturgy of the Eucharist, the mother kept winding up that toy and letting her daughters bang it on the pew, loudly. All I could think of was that the Body and Blood of Christ had just been consecrated by the priest and was sitting on the altar, and I couldn’t focus on that because of the bunny toy. I was also, I admit, offended by the mother’s total lack of respect for that fact. (Jesus’ Real Presence, not my inability to concentrate.) So I turned and said, “You know, that toy really is a little disrespectful. Could you please not wind it up again?” The look on her face told me she was majorly PO’ed.

Another woman in the group, I think her sister or SIL, said to me, “That’s not very Christian of you!” When I protested, she told me, “Be quiet! Act like a Christian!”

I was angry and embarrassed, but also very upset. I was near tears for the rest of Mass.

Was I a bad Christian? Did I encourage someone in her excuses about why she doesn’t go to church? I tend to think she would have found them without my help… But, does being Christian mean we just let anything and everything pass? I tried to be understanding of the difficulty that family had in taking kids to Mass who weren’t used to it. But I also thought that toy was way over the line. I tried to be polite when I asked her not to wind it up, but I also really felt that there was a total disrespect for the Eucharist going on, and I don’t apologize for saying that. I had trouble falling asleep last night thinking it over again and again. I am thinking about asking the priest next time I go to Confession if he thinks I need to repent of my action…

My husband supports me and thinks I was in the right. In fact, he said he couldn’t believe I didn’t say something sooner. He also said he was preparing himself to have to defend me physically, because he could tell they were really angry and he didn’t know what might happen in the parking lot… now that is nuts, that he even had to think that way at Mass. I didn’t pick up on anything that bad, but I wasn’t looking at any of the men in the group either.

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You confronted them in a stern but respectful manner. You were definitely not in the wrong.

The mother had lost control of her kids and did not have the courage to shut them up.
 
Wow, Grandiosa, what a dreadful experience.

I would have thought that a parent would not bring any toy that made a noise to Mass. In fact, at one stage I took my daughter barefoot (or would take her shoes off while in church) because she had discovered what a lovely noise her shoes made on a wooden pew!

I would say that not only did you let that mother know that her noisy toy was unsuitable, but that deliberately making a noise at that point was totally unacceptable.

One can only pray that such Catholics start to attend Mass regulalry and develop an understanding of what is really happening and what kind of behaviour is acceptable.

I also get irritated by people who throw out the accusation that something is not Christian when they are corrected.
 
You could perhaps have phrased your request a little more gently. But I do not think you were wrong to request that the woman put away the noisy toy, especially as it was distracting to your young ones. Instructing the ignorant is a corporal work of mercy, and it certainly sounds like this woman was ignorant of how to behave properly in Mass. 😦

People in general have so little respect in church these days. At the Easter Vigil, people were having conversations at full volume all around us before the Mass began. I was trying to pray and focus on Jesus and an elderly couple behind me were busy telling the usher all about their flight to Detroit. :mad: One conversation doesn’t seem like much, but when the Basilica is packed full it adds up to a LOT of noise! The rector actually had to come up to the ambo and request that people maintain a respectful silence. Thankfully he got the message across. I told my DH, “Now I know why they call it a missal…because of all the times you want to fling it at people in church!” 😃

I have to take St. Therese as my model. I know she often offered up her distractions and irritations at Mass. So maybe the answer is to try to refocus that irritation as best you can, and offer it up for the poor souls.
 
I truly felt your pain in this. Maybe you could have quietly spoken to an usher and asked him to intervene?
 
I truly felt your pain in this. Maybe you could have quietly spoken to an usher and asked him to intervene?
During Mass, when not guiding people to seats, passing the collection baskets, or directing Communion lines, they tend to stay at the back of the church. I would have had to climb over a row of people, find one, then climb back over that row of people, probably provoking my own little one to cry or having to carry her with me… I would have been the disruption at that point. Same for DH… he would have had to climb over all those people. So I don’t think that would have been feasible. But maybe I will ask one of the ushers next Sunday what to do in a similar situation. Or if they could try to be more proactive…
 
That is a horrible story, but, unfortunately, is becoming more and more common at Christmas and Easter. I think you were most definitely in the right. Getting an usher involved, in my opinion, would have only created a larger distraction for even more people. Do the ushers even have training for such a thing? I don’t mean that to sound sarcastic, I’m really wondering as I’ve never been an usher. It would make sense that they receive some instruction on handling various circumstances.

Even when I was a Christmas and Easter Catholic, I still tried to be respectful of the Mass. I never understood, and still don’t, why everyone isn’t respectful. I sat behind a family where the husband was reading his email on a blackberry until the entrance processional and their kids were playing on their gameboys all throughout Mass. The obligatory cell phone went off and I saw plenty of twenty somethings done up with all their “bling” - sunglasses, gawdy jewelry, etc. I even commented to my wife that some of them must equate getting dressed up for mass as the same thing as getting dressed up to go to the bars to get “lucky”. It’s sad, these people really have no clue. I think for many, it’s part of their childhood memories and they are just trying to recreate that. Kind of like an easter basket. It’s just part of the ritual they repeat year after year.

When I left Mass, I was aggravated (no where near what you would have been). I thought that they should announce special masses on Easter Sunday to the active parishoners so they could enjoy Mass for what it truly is without all the distractions. But then I realized that it would neither be fair nor right. We are to serve as examples to those just visiting. We are to be like a family member welcome a long lost cousin back into the fold. To offer secret masses is to be exclusive, which we are not. We may never know, but our actions at these masses might influence some of our visitors to come back home in a more permanant fashion. We can only hope and pray that it does. Just remember, the fact that they come to church at least twice a year makes them more open to the power of the Holy Spirit. Let’s just pray that a little spark was put into them and that it might develop into a fire one day.
 
Sounds like you did the right thing to me, not sure what else you could have done.

We usually don’t take the little ones to Mass but did this Easter and Praise the Lord it went pretty well. However I get frustrated when my 4 and 6 year old are paying attention to the Eucharistic prayer and a lady said something to my 4 year old the other day when he wispered to my older son while I was up performing my EEM duty.

I can’t imagine someone pulling out a wind up bunny, I’m VERY tolerant of others because I’m usually thinking, whew it’s not me this time, but that would be beyond acceptable.

The lady saying something to my son did make me angry but she bolted right at the end of Mass before my sons told me about it or I would have stopped her and said something… she could have said something to me but chose not to was my problem.

I believe you did the right thing and these people were out of line.

Joe
 
I thought that they should announce special masses on Easter Sunday to the active parishoners so they could enjoy Mass for what it truly is without all the distractions.
At the Easter Vigil, there tend to be far fewer C & E Catholics. 👍
 
You confronted them in a stern but respectful manner. You were definitely not in the wrong.

The mother had lost control of her kids and did not have the courage to shut them up.
I’m with you there. I’m also very sorry for kids who grow up with no discipline.
 
I see your point about trying to get an usher’s attention. Maybe your idea to ask an usher for help to be “on the lookout” for those disrupting Mass in the future is good.

I guess the only thing that can be done at times is to “suffer” it out and offer it up to Jesus! I have personally had more problems during Mass with teenagers talking/gaming/emailing etc., than with young children. I try to sit at the very front of the Church as often as possible simply because I want to be away from the distractions.

At my Church, the Lector who does the first reading at Mass comes out before the Procession and makes the opening announcement: [sic] “**Welcome to St. Mary. Today is the First Sunday of Ordinary Time. We ask that at this time you please turn off all cell phones and pagers. Thank you. After a brief moment of sacred silence, we will open with singing hymn #616 in the missalette…”**We decided to add those statements to hopefully discourage the phones, beepers, games, etc. It seems to have helped considerably. It helped remind people we are to observe “sacred silence” during Mass.

BTW: I once sat at Mass with a small (maybe 4 year-old) child directly behind me, who kicked my pew during the ENTIRE Mass. His mother was right beside him and never said a word to the child…🤷
 
I actually take coloring books for my son. :o If he doesn’t have a book or something to mess with, he will try to destroy the missals.

Our Easter mass actually went pretty well. There were a few screaming babies that the mothers didn’t take out but that doesn’t bother me as much as it used to.

I don’t think you handled it wrong at all. I probably would have said something as soon as the wind up bunny came out. I’m sure it was disturbing everyone else as well. Even if you got no support, I’m sure other people around you were glad that you said something.

We had a kid that was probably 6 or so come to church with a bag of hot wheels cars and shoved them back and forth on the pew for most of mass once. That was before I had kids and was way more intolerant of that kind of thing. I was nearly crazy by the time mass was over. 😛

I think it would be awesome to have an Easter mass for the regular attendance crowd and then another for the ones who are from out of town/C&E Catholics.
 
BTW: I once sat at Mass with a small (maybe 4 year-old) child directly behind me, who kicked my pew during the ENTIRE Mass. His mother was right beside him and never said a word to the child…🤷
Ugh. thats one thing thats VERY hard to ignore. I can’t stand that. Or someone bouncing their foot on the kneeler.
 
No worries you did the right thing. Thank you for standing up for the Mass and the Eucharist. Children should not be allowed to disrupt the Mass, and their parents should not encourage it.
 
You definitely did the right thing.

My husband and I were visiting another parish in our diocese two years ago and had a similar problem with 3 elderly ladies --no they did not have wind up bunnies!

We should have known we were going to have issues when the members of the congregation are coming into the sanctuary glad-handing and practically yelling their greetings to others across the room. He and I sat at the back of church, ending up behind these 3 rather nice ladies, who proceeded to catch up on what happened in the last week. Well, during the consecration they continued to talk, much to my disappointment.

So, I lean forward and whisper into one’s ear: “This is my first time visiting your parish, and I am surprised at the reverence that you all give Christ in his house.”

Let’s just say that it appeared that I put a rod in her spine, it was so straight after that. But the good news is that they all thanked me during the congregational sign of peace.👍 Plus they were angels the remainder of mass.
 
I have even experienced similar circumstances from parishoners that attend weekly Mass! Toys of all kinds–even baby rattles! I have a hard time when people don’t take their children out when crying or misbehaving because, “Jesus loves the little children”. I love the little children, too, and have five of my own, but we have to remember that other people are trying to worship the Lord and we must also teach our children to respect that.

I don’t know if this is out of line, but a little announcement from our priests once a year or so would be nice. Maybe something like, “It is great to see our church so full this morning. Our celebration of the Mass is central to our Catholic faith and our church is a holy place because the Body and Blood of our Lord is present. Please remember to be respectful to the holiness of this place and also mindful of your “inside” voices.”

I don’t know how I would have acted in your situation, but I do know that it would have caused anger within me. The human side of me would have wanted to lecture her sternly, and yet my spiritual side reminds me that only the Lord truly knows her heart. It’s a fine line between showing the love of Christ and turning someone off to where they don’t want to return. Chances are if they are a once or twice-a-year attendee, they are not going to welcome constructive criticism. Continue to pray for their hearts to geniunely seek Him.

It was probably only a matter of time before someone said something to her and your words may have been the most kind! The next time you are distracted, be sure to ask God if your desire to say something is because you are agitated at someone else’s ignorance and the “scene” they are causing, or if it is because of your love for Him. If it is agitation, you may want to keep quiet. But if it is out of your love for Him, speak sweetly. Bless your heart.
 
Wow, Grandiosa, I would have been absolutely furious if that happened to me! :mad: Mostly because my 2 yo always wants the toys and snacks and drinks and what have you that other kids bring to church. She can’t get them, and then she cries, and then we have to take her out. Sigh. I know she would have pitched a fit if she saw a hopping bunny toy. I would have had to exercise great self-control not to -]break/-] confiscate the darn thing myself! :o

I am glad that you spoke up. Those women probably lashed out from humiliation. But a little dose of humility in being reminded that they weren’t the only ones in the church was probably just what they needed. It may not have been that bad if you said, “That toy is very loud, please don’t wind it up again,” with a kind smile on your face. I think they probably took issue with you saying it’s disrespectful. 🤷

Hopefully your new, enlarged church will be ready for next Easter and you will have lots of room to spread out. I always wonder why all Catholic churches don’t offer extra Masses on Easter and Christmas, since they know it will be packed full and overflowing. This year I was blessed to go to the Easter Vigil by myself and then to the very early Easter morning Mass with the whole family. There weren’t any more people at the very early am Mass than on normal Sundays. Very few C & E Catholics (didn’t notice any, in fact!) at either Mass. 🙂
We should have known we were going to have issues when the members of the congregation are coming into the sanctuary glad-handing and practically yelling their greetings to others across the room. He and I sat at the back of church, ending up behind these 3 rather nice ladies, who proceeded to catch up on what happened in the last week. Well, during the consecration they continued to talk, much to my disappointment.

So, I lean forward and whisper into one’s ear: “This is my first time visiting your parish, and I am surprised at the reverence that you all give Christ in his house.”

Let’s just say that it appeared that I put a rod in her spine, it was so straight after that. But the good news is that they all thanked me during the congregational sign of peace.👍 Plus they were angels the remainder of mass.
That’s brilliant! 👍
 
Another vote for you did the right thing, and you did it tactfully. I think the usher idea is a good one too in that situation but it can be hard to get ones’ attention.

I’m sorry, but I don’t care if you only go to mass once or twice a year, common sense should tell you that any kind of noisy toy is completely inappropriate to bring to mass. Yes, I know kids can make just about any toy noisy (or a book or you name it) by banging it, but why bring something that’s function is to make noise?

I’m sorry YOU got treated so rudely.
 
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