Was it wood or Marble? WBTS stuff or insanity? or both?

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My vote is that your Mom is one among the pistachios. But you still have to honor her.

Side bar: if she has other insane ideas, write them down. They would make a great read (we’ve down it with our crazy relations)

I do honor her. Otherwise she would not tell me she thinks I am the only one who really loves her!!

I am telling you like clockwork she will call me again tonight and ask me if I am mad at her.

She is a “nice” mom. But she loves to dig.

I dont know what the side bar means and if you are mocking me tell me.

I am too upset to think straight now.

My mind is on wood and marble.

Once that is cleared up I can move on.
 
Sorry Mirdath, I asked her that - did not imply you were insane.

I need a historian on the Cross and wood and if there was a shortage or not and marble experts now!

Help!
Haha, it’s okay, I took it as a compliment 😉

I’m no biohistorian but given the region’s fame for its trees (the cedars of Lebanon, etc) I don’t buy any story of a wood shortage.
 
CHURCH OF THE NATIVITY: HISTORY & STRUCTURE
QUSTANDI SHOMALI,
Associate Professor, Bethlehem University (Palestine)

The Grotto
The part of the Church of the Nativity with the greatest religious and historical significance remains the Grotto of the Nativity, the traditional site of Jesus’ birth. In the church, two
entrances now lead to the Grotto. Originally, in the fourth century, there was only one entrance to the grotto from the main body of the church. An altar was erected over the birthplace, and a fourteen-pointed silver star was embedded in the white marble to mark the traditional place of Jesus’ birth. It was lit by fifteen silver lamps representing the different Christian communities. Six of the lamps belong to the Greek Orthodox, four to the Catholics, and five to the Armenian
Orthodox. The star bears a Latin inscription: Hic De Virgine Maria Jesus Christus Natus Est - 1717. ) Here Jesus Christ was born to the Virgin Mary(.It was installed by the Catholics in 1717, removed by the Greeks in 1847 and replaced by the Turkish government in 1853. In 1944, the medieval mosaic in the apse above the altar was cleaned and three words of the Latin text of the Gloria in Excelsis “terra pax hominibus” were found and they are partly preserved.
Opposite the altar of the Nativity, three steps lead the visitor to the Altar of the Manger, the place where the Baby Jesus was laid after he was born. A third altar has been erected opposite the Manger. It is dedicated to the Wise Men. The grotto is almost rectangular in shape measuring some 12 m. by 3 m. (40X10 feet) It is encased in white marble.

unesco.org/archi2000/pdf/shomali.pdf

While the manger may have been carved from the stone walls of the cave, unless the cave itself was marble, it was only the local stone. In the above description, they say that the Grotto is encased in white marble. They would hardly have brought marble in to encase a marble cave.

There are instances of marble caves in the Holy Land, but this is not one of them.

As for a shortage of wood, I found this article:

The cultivated olive was forbidden to be cut because of its economical importance, as documented in many regulations for the protection of the trees “Rabbi Meir said: every tree that does not bear fruit except the olive and the fig [may be cut]” (Mishnah Kila’im 6, 5). However, wild olive trees were commonly used as wood for building, in the ancient periods.
gemsinisrael.com/e_article000008705.htm
So it appears there was no shortage of wood for building or making mangers for feeding animals. I’m sure a longer, more detailed search could find out more about the availability of wood in the times of Jesus, but I don’t believe there was a shortage.
 
Haha, it’s okay, I took it as a compliment 😉

I’m no biohistorian but given the region’s fame for its trees (the cedars of Lebanon, etc) I don’t buy any story of a wood shortage.
Besides, it wasn’t as if they had to make a new cross for every guy they killed. They recycled the same crosses over and over…

God bless,
Paul
 
Besides, it wasn’t as if they had to make a new cross for every guy they killed. They recycled the same crosses over and over…

God bless,
Paul
True, that hill would get pretty crowded at the rate Romans executed people…
 
Thanks Linda Marie! Informative post! You are so nice to give me this info!🙂
 
She just called like clockwork. This marble thing she admits she got off the History Channel.

Looks like she is almost apostate now.

One can only hope.

“history channel overrides WBTS” it seems.

I dont have cable so I dont know.:confused:
 
Well, if it was on the History Channel, then it must be true, huh?😉
 
I just got off the phone with my Jw mom.

I told her is it not interesting Christ was placed in an ugly wooden manger at birth and died on wood (in her speak torture stake, in mine Cross)

She told me “we just dont know and at that time it could have been MARBLE”

???:confused:

Has anyone heard this WBTS thought before or is this my mom going insane?

She claims a cross would not have been possible due to “the shortage of wood at the time”?

:confused:

Okay, now I never heard this Marble thing before. Mind you she has been a JW a LONG time. So is this WBTS stuff or is my Mom loosing her bleeping mind?
Is she suggesting that the cross was marble as well? Have any marble mangers or crosses been dug up in archeological sites (I’m sure they would have found some by now)… I find it hard to conceive… though as someone noted, the manger could have been made of some type of stone, but again highly unlikely in my mind (too labour intensive)… could you image having to be the guy trying to nail someone to a marble cross :eek: or trying to sculpt a manger :eek:
 
Is she suggesting that the cross was marble as well? Have any marble mangers or crosses been dug up in archeological sites (I’m sure they would have found some by now)… I find it hard to conceive… though as someone noted, the manger could have been made of some type of stone, but again highly unlikely in my mind (too labour intensive)… could you image having to be the guy trying to nail someone to a marble cross :eek: or trying to sculpt a manger :eek:
Thanks Lion, and my apologies for my frantic post. I should have been more clear that she thinks he died on a wooden torture stake but born in a marble manger.

Sorry. I was sooo upest by this I did not get it across clearly.

She believes the History Channel;

??:confused:

At least its not the WBTS getting “New Light” on things this time.

Its the evil of TV.
 
Thanks everyone. I am a still wondering about the whole Cross thing though.

How do we address the issue of an actual Cross and not a stake>?
 
If she believes the history channel tell her to watch the one on “Jesus Jerusalem”. It states that marble is extremely rare in the middle east. They talk about the temple and how it was described as being of marble, but they believe that it was actually painted to look glistening white, but was not actually marble because you would have to ship it and shipping large stone blocks would be ridiculous.

The manger may have been made of stone, it would certainly last longer and be more durable than wood, but that does not mean it had to be stone, and probably was not marble.

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