Was it wrong for Lot to offer his daughters to the wicked men in Sodom?

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So Lot offered the bad guys his own daughters for sexual relations instead of the angels appearing as men. Isn’t that a little messed up?

If Lot was doing something wicked, why did God call him out of the city? God promised to destroy Sodom if he found no righteous people there, and if he did something bad, as Jim Blackburn said, why did God call him out?
 
Could you please provide the reference for what Jim Blackburn said?

I tend to think it was indeed wrong for Lot to offer his daughters. But he was under extreme duress, and so perhaps while it was objectively sinful, God did not hold him highly culpable for the sin.

Yes, I find it “a little messed up”. But if this is the example of a good man in Sodom, it perhaps helps explain why God chose to obliterate the place.
 
Having asked for men, I don’t think they would have taken the daughters. He must not have been that wicked, he didn’t end up in a salt shaker.
 
So Lot offered the bad guys his own daughters for sexual relations instead of the angels appearing as men. Isn’t that a little messed up?

If Lot was doing something wicked, why did God call him out of the city? God promised to destroy Sodom if he found no righteous people there, and if he did something bad, as Jim Blackburn said, why did God call him out?
Lot is referred to as righteous in the Book of Wisdom.

That said, this action - which seems shocking to us - must be understood in terms of the culture of the Ancient Near East. In such cultures, a host’s duties to his guest were paramount and sacred; it was something like the medieval concept of Sanctuary. Therefore, in keeping with the “hardness of heart” of those times, Lot made a “lesser of two evils” choice: offering his daughters to protect his guests.

Moreover, since the assailants were sodomites, they may not have been interested in women at all; Lot may have been buying himself a little time. Note that they refused his offer immediately, and he and his daughters were saved by divine intervention immediately after this. 🙂
 
I’d say Lot gets the Worst Father of the Year Award.
So you’d give Joseph Fritzl a free pass? And which “year” are we talking about, 1900 B.C.? There were plenty of worse fathers out there at that time, who practiced child sacrifice.
Saved? Lot ends up having sex with his two daughters. Surely there’s a commandment against that…God/Jesus would not condone that…
This is a willful misrepresentation of the passage; the act is initiated by Lot’s daughters, and he is under the influence of alcohol.
 
So you’d give Joseph Fritzl a free pass? And which “year” are we talking about, 1900 B.C.? There were plenty of worse fathers out there at that time, who practiced child sacrifice.

This is a willful misrepresentation of the passage; the act is initiated by Lot’s daughters, and he is under the influence of alcohol.
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So Lot offered the bad guys his own daughters for sexual relations instead of the angels appearing as men. Isn’t that a little messed up?

If Lot was doing something wicked, why did God call him out of the city? God promised to destroy Sodom if he found no righteous people there, and if he did something bad, as Jim Blackburn said, why did God call him out?
2 Peter 2
6 and if by turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah to ashes he condemned them to extinction[d] and made them an example of what is coming to the ungodly;[e] 7 and if he rescued Lot, a righteous man greatly distressed by the licentiousness of the lawless 8 (for that righteous man, living among them day after day, was tormented in his righteous soul by their lawless deeds that he saw and heard), 9 then the Lord knows how to rescue the godly from trial, and to keep the unrighteous under punishment until the day of judgment 10 —especially those who indulge their flesh in depraved lust, and who despise authority.

Wisdom 10:6 refers to Five Cities, including Sodom, or Pentapolis: “Wisdom rescued a righteous man when the ungodly were perishing; he escaped the fire that descended on the Five Cities.”

What Lot did was wrong. I don’t see any passage that says a righteous man never does anything wrong. Even Abraham lied about his wife being his sister. I guess someone may try to justifly Lot’s actions by claiming hospitality trumps protecting one’s daughters.
 
It was wrong, plain and simple. To the best of my knowledge, the Bible often does not criticize wrong action every time it occurs. Just because the Bible fails to criticize at every instance, does not mean that it supports the action in question.

Otherwise you give too much credibility to those who claim that the Bible supports slavery.

We know what is right and wrong. And yes, it turned out okay for Lot’s daughters, but can anyone forget the horrifying tale at the end of Judges 19?

The same scenario was occurring, yet this time the woman thrust outside was brutally abused to the point that, in the morning, when the man callously said “come, let us go!”, she was indeed dead.

Never was this man criticized, yet do you really think he was not held guilty? The ancients didn’t need someone to tell them what was wrong every time it occurred… it was quite evident! It is known by its fruits! I’m telling you, if this story horrifies us today, it horrified them also.

“In those days there was no king in Israel; everyone did what he thought best.”
“There is a way that seems good to a man, but it’s end is the way of death.”
 
Lot is referred to as righteous in the Book of Wisdom.

That said, this action - which seems shocking to us - must be understood in terms of the culture of the Ancient Near East. In such cultures, a host’s duties to his guest were paramount and sacred; it was something like the medieval concept of Sanctuary. Therefore, in keeping with the “hardness of heart” of those times, Lot made a “lesser of two evils” choice: offering his daughters to protect his guests.

Moreover, since the assailants were sodomites, they may not have been interested in women at all; Lot may have been buying himself a little time. Note that they refused his offer immediately, and he and his daughters were saved by divine intervention immediately after this. 🙂
Very well said!

Just to expand on this for the OPer’s sake:

The “hardness of the heart” refers to Moses when he explained to the Jewish people that because of the “hardness of their heart” there was some lenience in certain moral laws.

Long story short: The Old Testament people did not have the full grace of the seven sacraments. So they could not adhere to the moral law we are held to today.

Hope that helps!
 
Very well said!
Thanks! 😊
Just to expand on this for the OPer’s sake:
The “hardness of the heart” refers to Moses when he explained to the Jewish people that because of the “hardness of their heart” there was some lenience in certain moral laws.
Long story short: The Old Testament people did not have the full grace of the seven sacraments. So they could not adhere to the moral law we are held to today.
Hope that helps!
This is a very good way of explaining it. I couldn’t find the right way of putting it into words. Thanks a lot! 🙂
 
Lot’s desire was to protect his guests, the angels of the Lord. His intention was noble, but the end he meant to achieve did not justify the means, unless he knew in his heart that the Sodomites were not interested in sex with his daughters but rather in sex with his guests.

Thus he has given them a choice, and they failed the test, proving they deserved the destruction of Sodom.
 
So Lot offered the bad guys his own daughters for sexual relations instead of the angels appearing as men. Isn’t that a little messed up?
What is ‘messed up’, is applying the morality of one culture against another culture. I believe that, at that time, daughters were considered property. It would be no more immoral for him to offer his daughters than it would be for you to offer money.
 
Scriptural passages often have a hidden meaning within Jewish mysticism. Before judging Lot, it may be useful to get the interpretation based on this mysticism. I believe everything is cool!
 
So fornication was not immoral in Lot’s time? :confused:
Genesis 16:1 Now Sarai the wife of Abram, had brought forth no children; having a handmaid, an Egyptian, named Agar,
2 She said to her husband: Behold, the Lord hath restrained me from bearing: go in unto my handmaid, it may be I may have children of her at least. And when he agreed to her request,
3 She took Agar the Egyptian her handmaid, ten years after they first dwelt in the land of Chanaan, and gave her to her husband to wife.
4 And he went in to her.

Would you judge Abraham?
 
I think that Lot probably didn’t escape the effects of living in Sodom; as far as I can tell he was still kind of messed-up. Less so than the rest of course, and if he repented after his misdeeds he’s still got righteousness.
 
I tend to think it was indeed wrong for Lot to offer his daughters. But he was under extreme duress
I can’t imagine the level of stress necessary for someone to do what Lot is said to have done. At what point does a man decide that offering up his daughters in such a way is a viable solution to anything? And let’s call what was being offered for what it is: Rape by a gang of men.
Having asked for men, I don’t think they would have taken the daughters.
What I always find funny is that at no point did Lot offer himself up to the mob. He was more than willing to have his daughters brutalized, but he didn’t feel it would be in his best interested to throw himself at the mob’s mercy.
That said, this action - which seems shocking to us - must be understood in terms of the culture of the Ancient Near East. In such cultures, a host’s duties to his guest were paramount and sacred; it was something like the medieval concept of Sanctuary. Therefore, in keeping with the “hardness of heart” of those times, Lot made a “lesser of two evils” choice: offering his daughters to protect his guests.
Moreover, since the assailants were sodomites, they may not have been interested in women at all; Lot may have been buying himself a little time. Note that they refused his offer immediately, and he and his daughters were saved by divine intervention immediately after this.
Again, if he was so sure that the mob was only after men why didn’t he offer himself up. It seems these sacred duties of a host mean having your daughters face the brunt of it all. He can’t be bothered to go down with his ship like a good captain would.

Besides, who is to say that just because the assailants were sodomites that one or more of the mob wouldn’t have taken Lot up on his offer of having their way with his daughters. What sane man would even think such an offer? What loving father would speak of it?
It was wrong, plain and simple. To the best of my knowledge, the Bible often does not criticize wrong action every time it occurs. Just because the Bible fails to criticize at every instance, does not mean that it supports the action in question.
Otherwise you give too much credibility to those who claim that the Bible supports slavery.
The Bible says that God approved it. In no way was Lot punished or admonished for asking an angry mob to gangrape his daughters. He was judged rigtheous and was saved, whereas children and the unborn in Sodom were judged unrigtheous and burned to death.

Showing no sign of compassion for your daughters? Escape.
Looking back as a chaos is all around you? Death.
We know what is right and wrong. And yes, it turned out okay for Lot’s daughters, but can anyone forget the horrifying tale at the end of Judges 19?
Unlike Judges 19, God explicitly saves Lot after he does the unthinkable with regards to his daughters. God approved of what Lot did despite it being incredibly evil.
What is ‘messed up’, is applying the morality of one culture against another culture. I believe that, at that time, daughters were considered property. It would be no more immoral for him to offer his daughters than it would be for you to offer money.
God is supposed to be both all-loving and unchanging. He approved of what deal Lot was making with the mob. Would God approve of such a deal now. Remember, even if cultures change God doesn’t. If he was fine with what Lot did then, surely he has no problem with now. Don’t try to whitewash it.
Scriptural passages often have a hidden meaning within Jewish mysticism. Before judging Lot, it may be useful to get the interpretation based on this mysticism. I believe everything is cool!
Can you back up that assertion? You can’t just say that there may be a hidden meaning where Lot isn’t a horrible person and where God doesn’t allow Lot to be as such.

So let’s break down the story bit by bit.
  1. Abraham bargains down God to not destroying the cities if he can find 10 righteous men.
  2. Angels visit Lot and he lets them inside.
  3. An angry mob hears about this and want to rape the angels.
  4. They come to Lot’s door and demand he send the angels out.
  5. Lot offers up his daughters to be raped instead of the angels. He stresses that they are virgins and that the mob can do “whatever they like” to his daughters.
  6. The mob is not interested and try to go through the door.
  7. The angels blind the mob so Lot and company can escape.
Now even if we ignore how awful part 5, does anyone notice that there is nothing between parts 4 and 5. Lot’s first and only action was to ask that the mob rape his virgin daughters. He doesn’t demand that the mob leave. As noted, he didn’t offer himself to the mob. He didn’t offer money or goods to the mob. He didn’t threaten the mob. He didn’t pray for help. He didn’t ask the angels for help.

He didn’t do anything that a reasonable father and host might do. No matter what obligations he had as a host, he also had obligations as a father. No matter the time or place or culture, any good father understands that ingrained obligation to protect his children.

No, plan A for Lot – his only plan – was the daughter rape. And God saw it and he said it was good.
 
Just as Abraham was a man of righteousness and hospitality, so also was his nephew Lot in many similar ways, though they often did wrong. Yet his reverence for God was so great that he was willing to offer up his daughters, just as Abraham was willing to offer up his son Isaac in sacrifice. God however prevented both, since they proved their devotion to God. Perhaps both had enough faith in God that they knew no harm would ever come to their children.
 
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