Was it wrong to try to kill Hitler?

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I’m just wondering if there’s anyone here who thinks someone like Hitler or, say, Ted Bundy, should not have been killed… (attempted to be killed)?
 
Just what i thought…

most people think (seem to think) this is a ridiculous question… (which presumably is why they didn’t respond)…

so why is it not a ridiculous question to ask if killing a mass murderer like Tiller is wrong?
 
distracted said:
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I’m just wondering if there’s anyone here who thinks someone like Hitler
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In Hitler’s case it depends on who is doing it. Any action by the Allied powers from bombing sites where they suspect he will be to sending in assassins would be legitimate.

Assassination by itself is still murder. If you’ve seen the movie Valkyrie Col. von Stauffenberg was acting as an agent of the Allies. If he had been only part of a plot to seize power, his actions would have been illegitimate.
or, say, Ted Bundy, should not have been killed… (attempted to be killed)?
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I assume you’re not talking about execution after trial here, so who should get to do the honors? A cop who knows he’s guilty but can’t make a case? Some teacher or counselor who recognises when he’s a kid that he’s a bad seed?
Murdering a murderer is still murder.
 
would you personally have attempted to kill Hitler if you knew you would get away with it??
 
didymus said:
In Hitler’s case it depends on who is doing it. Any action by the Allied powers from bombing sites where they suspect he will be to sending in assassins would be legitimate.

Assassination by itself is still murder. If you’ve seen the movie Valkyrie Col. von Stauffenberg was acting as an agent of the Allies. If he had been only part of a plot to seize power, his actions would have been illegitimate.
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That may have been in the movie, but I am not sure if it is fact. Many of the Allied leaders were strongly opposed to assassinating Hitler. They feared that, with Hitler gone, his successor might be able to negotiate a peace. Hitler used the negotiated surrender in WWI to claim that Germany had not been beaten, but sold out by her leaders. This time they wanted unconditional surrender and no doubt about who won.
 
didymus said:
If you’ve seen the movie Valkyrie Col. von Stauffenberg was acting as an agent of the Allies.
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I think that’s Hollywood hype? I do read a lot of history I’ve never heard that Col Von Stauffenberg who BTW was Catholic had anything to do with the Allies.

He was there to take out THE LEADER! Those coward Nazi Generals should have done that a long time ago but hey they were living large.

Just like those North Korean coward Generals today they don’t take out Dear Leader because they’re living large.
 
distracted said:
would you personally have attempted to kill Hitler if you knew you would get away with it??
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Excellent question. If I were a believer, this would be problematic. Because I can’t hide from God what I do. So, there would be no getting away with anything, unless God agreed it was a good thing to do. So, maybe this is a grey area for believers. God has led many people to believe its fine to kill anyone who is a threat, or vile to God.

So, I just am glad I don’t have to wonder about this one in my lifetime. Because the laws are in place that don’t allow me to even wonder such things.
 
distracted said:
would you personally have attempted to kill Hitler if you knew you would get away with it??
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I would personally, if I were an American citizen, fighting for my Country and my Allies-if this were one of the objectives of my being there.

I would have, if I had the chance, even if I wouldn’t “get away with it,” meaning-being captured by the Nazi Army. Still, I would have-given the chance.

+Peace In Christ.
-Dawn
 
Joe_Kelley said:
That may have been in the movie, but I am not sure if it is fact. Many of the Allied leaders were strongly opposed to assassinating Hitler. They feared that, with Hitler gone, his successor might be able to negotiate a peace. Hitler used the negotiated surrender in WWI to claim that Germany had not been beaten, but sold out by her leaders. This time they wanted unconditional surrender and no doubt about who won.
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i cannot understand this??

why wouldn’t people want peace??

don’t u/stand the last 2 sentences at all… :confused:
 
DawnInTexas said:
I would personally, if I were an American citizen, fighting for my Country and my Allies-if this were one of the objectives of my being there.

I would have, if I had the chance, even if I wouldn’t “get away with it,” meaning-being captured by the Nazi Army. Still, I would have-given the chance.

+Peace In Christ.
-Dawn
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then why is it wrong to kill baby murderers??
 
StrawberryJam said:
Excellent question. If I were a believer, this would be problematic. Because I can’t hide from God what I do. So, there would be no getting away with anything, unless God agreed it was a good thing to do. So, maybe this is a grey area for believers. God has led many people to believe its fine to kill anyone who is a threat, or vile to God.

So, I just am glad I don’t have to wonder about this one in my lifetime. Because the laws are in place that don’t allow me to even wonder such things.
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we need to think about these kind of things because for one, we don’t know what will happen in the future of this world…

and i don’t see why anyone would have a problem killing someone who was murdering millions of innocent people, Jews and Cathoilcs and whoever he didn’t like…
 
distracted said:
then why is it wrong to kill baby murderers??
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Hitler forced people to die-against their will.

Mothers bring their children to the baby murderers, and have them killed-in accordance with their free will (and man’s law).

Man’s law does not permit the killing of Tiller, but it does allow the killing of babies in their mothers’ womb.
 
DawnInTexas said:
Hitler forced people to die-against their will.

Mothers bring their children to the baby murderers, and have them killed-in accordance with their free will (and man’s law).

Man’s law does not permit the killing of Tiller, but it does allow the killing of babies in their mothers’ womb.
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so you are saying it is OK to kill the unorn just because their mothers ask for it…?

i give up…
 
distracted said:
so you are saying it is OK to kill the unorn just because their mothers ask for it…?

i give up…
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Abortion:

Man’s law=Roe -v- Wade> says mother can kill her child.
CCC: usccb.org/catechism/text/pt3sect2chpt2art5.shtml

*In Particular->2261: Scripture specifies the prohibition contained in the fifth commandment: "Do not slay the innocent and the righteous…

Killing Hitler:

Man’s law=War declared. Allies are attacked> says Hitler can be killed.
CCC: usccb.org/catechism/text/pt3sect2chpt2art5.shtml

*In Particular->2265: Legitimate defense can be not only a right but a grave duty for one who is responsible for the lives of others. The defense of the common good requires that an unjust aggressor be rendered unable to cause harm. For this reason, those who legitimately hold authority also have the right to use arms to repel aggressors against the civil community entrusted to their responsibility.

I truly hope this helps.
+Peace Be With You. -Dawn
 
distracted said:
so you are saying it is OK to kill the unorn just because their mothers ask for it…?

i give up…
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There is God’s Law and then there is man’s law. If they are not the same, God’s Law takes precedence…although…we see more and more “neglect” of God’s Law today. Especially in our Country.

Abortion is NEVER allowed-according to the Catholic Church-defining God’s Law on earth (since Pentecost).

Now…Man’s law (Roe -v- Wade) allows abortion. We have aborted over 48 million since 1973 in our Country. <-Man’s Law.

God’s Law=Not allowed.

A lot of people are going to be in trouble when they go to Judgment.

+Peace Be With You. -Dawn
 
Actually, there were other assassins who tried to kill Hitler prior to Staufenberg, i think there was a total of 41 attempts but only a few got really close, like a watchmaker who hid a bomb in the munich Hofbräuhaus which didn’t went off or another person who shot at Hitler but due to him wearing a steel helmet didn’t kill him.

Personally, i think no assassination attempt at Hitler was wrong (and i am not only saying that because i am austrian and so required by law to have that opinion).Hitler was responsible for the deportation of 6.5 million jews, introduced church taxes to lower the popularity of christianity (after the war he would have most likely started a religious cult combining elements from some norse and persic religions mixed with a leader-cult), and would have had future plans for the spreading of his master-race by human-breeding-projects. And i guess he’s now somewhere in hell.
So considering all that, i think murdering Hitler wouldn’t have been a very… evil… sin even if committed by a civilian.
 
MacGregor1991 said:
Actually, there were other assassins who tried to kill Hitler prior to Staufenberg, i think there was a total of 41 attempts but only a few got really close, like a watchmaker who hid a bomb in the munich Hofbräuhaus which didn’t went off or another person who shot at Hitler but due to him wearing a steel helmet didn’t kill him.

Personally, i think no assassination attempt at Hitler was wrong (and i am not only saying that because i am austrian and so required by law to have that opinion).Hitler was responsible for the deportation of 6.5 million jews, introduced church taxes to lower the popularity of christianity (after the war he would have most likely started a religious cult combining elements from some norse and persic religions mixed with a leader-cult), and would have had future plans for the spreading of his master-race by human-breeding-projects. And i guess he’s now somewhere in hell.
So considering all that, i think murdering Hitler wouldn’t have been a very… evil… sin even if committed by a civilian.
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so… what do you think about killing abortionists, who also kill millions? do you think this is a serious crime in the eyes of God???
 
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