I may be wrong but wasn’t that verse saying the opposite of what you just indicated? Didn’t Jesus say he was sent to Israel not to the gentiles?
It’s archaic English from the Douay-Rheims. By striking out the archaic terms “I was -]not/-] sent, -]but/-] to the lost sheep of the house of Israel” you can see the true meaning. This clarifies it a bit. It can be used in combination with Matthew 8:5-12, in which He states that even Romans (many from the east and the west) will enter into the Kingdom, while the children of the Kingdom (the Jews) will be cast out into the darkness.
Pentecostals in various forms are usually Zionists and supporters of Israel in the political sense. They have a very wrong interpretation of scripture in which they believe (basically) that the Jewish people of today are still under the old law and that they must have ancient Isreal as their land and basically turn back the clock 2000 years and live as the ancient Hebrews until the world ends. Of course this is wrong and a Protestant reading of scripture.
From Catholicism’s perspective, Christ is the universal Saviour, so this view wouldn’t hold.
Is that actually so? I don’t think so.
Ancient Judaism was vastly different, but I don’t agree with this argument at all and I’m surprised how often it comes up.
Don’t you think that’s a little presumptuous?
Are you referring to John Hagee?
You don’t think that the OT is oriented towards the coming of a Saviour, a Messiah?
Then we agree
It’s like Protestantism and Catholicism. Many Protestants are happy to admit that the early Christians had vastly different beliefs but that’s okay to them because they still justify that they are the same religion as Peter, Paul, Augustine. Clearly, if things are vastly different, it is not the same.The Mosaic covenant possessed and practiced these three elements and acknowledged them to be their foundation. It just so happened that at the time they were sojourners in the desert without any huge temple - still, they have sacrifice, priesthood and a kind of makeshift temple. They longed for a land, and a temple, as did the Jews in Babylon after the destruction of the first temple- but only because there had been no word from God that the covenant was superseded as we know now.
Not at all. I believe that we are the true spiritual inheritors of Abraham and Moses and that they would rather be Catholic that a Talmudic Jew of the 21st century based on the revelation of God. This isn’t being presumptuous or anti-Semetic or hateful or anything of the sort. Jews must be converted, as must all people, and it can be shown to them that all things point towards Christ. We don’t need to tread carefully around the fact that Judaism of today, according to Catholic belief, is a false religion. Just as Hinduism and Bhuddism are false religions. This is an objective fact - necessarily implied by Catholic doctrine. Sadly, whenever there is talk of the Jewish faith in any Christian circles there will always be those who think that this is anti-Semitism or that to speak frankly on the issue is insensitive. I don’t mean to be insensitive at all, just trying to speak in plain facts. I like Jewish people and I hope that they all convert
All Israel Will Be SavedPentecostals in various forms are usually Zionists and supporters of Israel in the political sense. They have a very wrong interpretation of scripture in which they believe (basically) that the Jewish people of today are still under the old law and that they must have ancient Isreal as their land and basically turn back the clock 2000 years and live as the ancient Hebrews until the world ends. Of course this is wrong and a Protestant reading of scripture.
The Jews of today are in desperate need of conversion to the Catholic faith. Jesus is the Saviour of the world; of everybody. How could it make sense to say that the Jews didn’t need a messiah when indeed the whole of the Old Testament was basically a period in time waiting for the Messiah to come? Makes no sense. In any case, those who call themselves Jews today are not the same Jews of the old covenant - since the temple was destroyed there hasn’t been temple sacrifice. The temple has been destroyed, there are no more sacrifices, and no more priesthood - and the messiah has come to establish the new covenant. So around 200AD those who rejected the Messiah wrote down their traditions as the Talmud, and so now they follow the Torah and Talmud. In other words, to cut a long story short, the Jewish faith of today is a man-made religion; and the Catholic faith is the continuation of and fulfillment the old covenant established under God in ancient Israel. As Catholics we are the true and proper successors of Abraham, Moses, Jacob, etc.
This is how it was explained to me but perhaps it is slightly off-target here and there so don’t take my word for it
Yes, I was referring to John Hagee. Someone had mentioned it in my Sunday School class too.Are you referring to John Hagee?
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I like Prison Planets Alex Jones impersonation of the anti-catholic John Hagee!
youtu.be/MBQYrmLuHto
There are a myriad of views in non-catholic Christianity, ranging from dispensationalism to Covenant theology!
The majority of it seems to be about staying on God’s good side.
We wouldn’t, even if your point was relevant.Then we agree
I think the foundation was God and each other, since that’s all they had when they entered the covenant; the sacrifices, priesthood and the makeshift tent holding the Ark took some time get sorted–meaning they’re obviously important, but absolutely crucial? I don’t think so.
How would they know the difference?
But if we take Catholicism as true, there’s something to be said about taking that idea for granted. It’s not really necessary, or helpful, IMO, to base that idea with the argument that Judaism is “made-up”, even if it’s naturally assumed that Judaism is wrong.Not at all. I believe that we are the true spiritual inheritors of Abraham and Moses and that they would rather be Catholic that a Talmudic Jew of the 21st century based on the revelation of God. This isn’t being presumptuous or anti-Semetic or hateful or anything of the sort. Jews must be converted, as must all people, and it can be shown to them that all things point towards Christ.
We don’t need to tread carefully around the fact that Judaism of today, according to Catholic belief, is a false religion. Just as Hinduism and Bhuddism are false religions. This is an objective fact - necessarily implied by Catholic doctrine. Sadly, whenever there is talk of the Jewish faith in any Christian circles there will always be those who think that this is anti-Semitism or that to speak frankly on the issue is insensitive. I don’t mean to be insensitive at all, just trying to speak in plain facts. I like Jewish people and I hope that they all convert
Again, this is just all my understanding, which may or may not be accurate in details but in it’s broad presentation it must be accurate based on simple Catholic truths. All I wanted to say, in the end, was that Jesus is mankind’s Messiah. The scriptures of the Jews clearly prophesy that the Messiah will save all mankind both Jews and Gentiles. Jesus is truly the Messiah prophesied by Jewish scriptures. We should do all we can so that they convert to the Catholic Faith to become one flock under one Shepherd.
I see where this thread is going though so I will exit stage left.
I think that’s all wrong. There’s an article I read in Lay Witness magazine about this:
I would be very careful recommending that article. There are significant errors in it, and conclusions that simply are not Catholic teaching. I’m amazed that they got it published. The authors attempt to slide in the recent heresy of claiming Jews as racial Jews have an eternal covenant that was not abrogated or fulfilled in Christ. That is simply not the case. Jews are loved by God because of the promise to Abraham fulfilled in Christ, like all men, not because of the blood running through their veins. That is why circumcision was superseded, to eliminate the separation. There is no more Jew or Greek for salvation, all men are drawn by Christ, without whom there is no salvation.