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michaelsmth626
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You and the catholic faith agilate from one non dogma to the next depending on your defense. Everything you just wrote above seems to contradict.Michaelsmth in Christ,
The Catholic Church does not claim that the Holy Spirit teaches men solely through other men.
Catholics do not believe that individuals are greater than the Holy Spirit.
The Catholic Church does not teach or practice anything that says that the Holy Spirit is prohibited from ministering to men besides a Catholic priest.
The Catholic Church does not claim that it is the Holy Spirit.
You have not been reading the posts that have been addressed to you concerning baptism on this forum. The Catholic Church does not claim that water baptism and baptism in the Holy Spirit as described in reference to Pentecost are one in the same. The Catholic Church teaches what scripture teaches which is different from your point of view.
You deny a person receives the Holy Spirit in Christian baptism and that is simply false. I have already explained to you before the difference between the water baptism of John and Christian water baptism instituted by Jesus. I’ll say it again: The former does not bring with it the gift of the Holy Spirit whereas the latter does.
I am going spend time on my next post on the issue of Christian water baptism and receiving the Holy Spirit by way of scripture.
“There is but one universal Church of the faithful, outside which no one at all is saved.” (Pope Innocent III, Fourth Lateran Council, 1215.)
“We declare, say, define, and pronounce that it is absolutely necessary for the salvation of every human creature to be subject to the Roman Pontiff.” (Pope Boniface VIII, the Bull Unam Sanctam, 1302.)
But more recently we have some fine print to add.“The most Holy Roman Church firmly believes, professes and preaches that none of those existing outside the Catholic Church, not only pagans, but also Jews and heretics and schismatics, can have a share in life eternal; but that they will go into the eternal fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels, unless before death they are joined with Her; and that so important is the unity of this ecclesiastical body that only those remaining within this unity can profit by the sacraments of the Church unto salvation, and they alone can receive an eternal recompense for their fasts, their almsgivings, their other works of Christian piety and the duties of a Christian soldier. No one, let his almsgiving be as great as it may, no one, even if he pour out his blood for the Name of Christ, can be saved, unless he remain within the bosom and the unity of the Catholic Church.” (Pope Eugene IV, the Bull Cantate Domino, 1441.)
Dominus Iesus - on the Unicity and Salvific Universality of Jesus Christ and the Church - Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith - Joseph Card. Ratzinger, August 6, 2000
- It must therefore be firmly believed as a truth of Catholic faith that the universal salvific will of the One and Triune God is offered and accomplished once for all in the mystery of the incarnation, death, and resurrection of the Son of God.
Note: the words “for all” - did not include the qualification “for all Catholics”
Sooo in spit of all the double talk you just pick a point and I’ll be glad to converse with you on the subject.In correcting Fr. Feeney in 1949, the Supreme Congregation of the Holy Office (now the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith) issued a document entitled Suprema Haec Sacra, which stated that “extra ecclesiam, nulla salus” (outside the Church, no salvation) is “an infallible statement.” But, it added, "this dogma must be understood in that sense in which the Church itself understands it."
This little jewel is the perfect defense, it effectively counters all understanding of anything that is stated by the church, now how handy is that.
"this dogma must be understood in that sense in which the Church itself understands it.