Was Judas sent to Hell or was he forgiven?

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In case you didn’t notice, I follow Church teaching as well.

The difference is that when Church teaching is ambiguous ( it began to happen after Vatican II), i stick with the most consistent and well elaborated.
 
As I said, I follow the CCC too, but when Vatican II creates ambiguity with traditional teaching, I stick with the latter.
 
Indeed, there are ways people might kill themselves in which they didn’t intend. For instance, a negligent person who drives way too fast and ends up in a car crash.

However, suicide is a very specific word that relates to a very specific action: a person willingly takes their life.
 
Teaching about suicide in this case. CCC 2283, for instance, wasn’t there before. And it could lead to different interpretations than what has always been before this addition
 
Aulef said:
However, suicide is a very specific word that relates to a very specific action: a person willingly takes their life.
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The key word is “willingly.” You don’t seem to understand what suicidal people go through. Thanks be to God, the Church does.
 
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First of all, the CCC isn’t always infallible teaching. Second and most important, except for the current Catechism, suicide has always been forbidden and considered a mortal sin.
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Well, Judas wasn’t Catholic. In fact the Catechism hadn’t been developed yet, (along with the entire Catholic Church) Judas was (we think) Jewish. His act of offing himself may very well have been in line with Jewish ideas about reparation and restitution. An eye for an eye was Jewish tradition. Judas’ hanging himself may be been his way of offering sacrifice to God for the sin he committed in betraying Jesus.
No one knows, but personally, I hope that Judas is in Heaven with the other 11 apostles. Makes me think my chances are pretty good.
 
Aulef said:
Teaching about suicide in this case. CCC 2283, for instance, wasn’t there before. And it could lead to different interpretations than what has always been before this addition
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Church teachings have never changed. Some have developed and clearer explanations given but NONE HAVE CHANGED.
 
There are twelve apostles in Heaven not thirteen. Bartholomew was elected to
replace Judas. You can read in the book “Evidence of Satan in the Modern World” that
Judas along with a possessed girls father, Satan and 7 other demons possessed this
poor girl. It took the Prayers of the nuns in the convent where the exorcism took place many
months before the daemons and the damned were driven out and the girl freed.
Fr. Gabriel Amorth Rome’s head Exorcist relates in his book that Judas was a thief, fornicator and most damming of all was he committed Deicide not just homicide because he killed his
Lord and Saviour. He only had to ask Our Blessed mother to help him to find forgiveness and he would have found that forgiveness at the foot of the cross. He used his free will to refuse forgiveness.

Chippy.
 
I think Jesus’ statement is conclusive that it would have been better for Judas that he had not been born. Even if you suffer the worst purgatory until the end of time, if you enter beatitude at the end it is better than non-existence. Heaven is never worse than non-existence. Hell is.
 
Short answer … we don’t know.

However, I would lean towards hell (or a very long, torturous time in Purgatory) based on the writing of the Apostles and other Saints.
 
I’m sure we’d all like to think that this ultimate traitor was condemned to eternal suffering but Our Lord told us that only one sin would never be forgiven.

And if we are to believe that this man was so sorry for what he’d done that he committed suicide then we might also imagine that faced with judgement he asked for forgiveness rather than defying God and being rebellious.

We can’t be sure.
 
If interested, Fr. Ripperger has mentioned that Judas has been involved in demonic possession, even possessing people directly. I’m a little skeptical about that, but who knows.
 
The traditional thinking as well as my own personal opinion is Judas was eternally lost.

There is 0 indication that he repented of his sin.

The Church Fathers who touched on this subject were unanimous in their teaching: Judas, as the son of perdition, was eternally lost.

IMO, there are only two people who you can be 99.999999% sure are in hell: Judas Iscariot and Adolf Hitler.
 
@angel12 He’s probably repeating that idea because in the recording of Anneliese Michel (the real life case and inspiration behind the Exorcist film) you can hear the exorcist ask the possessed “what is your name?” to which the demon replies “I am Cain, I am Judas, I am Nero, I am Hitler, I am Lucifer…”

I think what the devil meant by giving the names of evil men of history was that he was the one possessing and influencing those evil men to make their evil decisions, not that it was literally the soul of Judas somehow possessing a person… The Church does not teach “ghost possession.”
 
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The one exception would be the Saints. That is known to a moral certainty.
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Which is why it is so important that the canonization of a saint is never politicized. This way, what God deemed to be infallible remains infallible (i.e. without error).
 
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I know the Church has neve officially stated he is in hell, but from what we read in scripture it sounds like he is in hell.

So if I had to give an answer I’d say yes, he is in hell.
 
According to Dante, Judas is doomed to be devoured inside one of the Mouths of Satan for all eternity, along with Cassius and Brutus (also notorious traitors).
 
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