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jonfan
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SO you are saying the “moon god” story is not true?
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pro_universal
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Yes, it is clearly not true.
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Emad
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If these are known facts prove everything in the link I posted false. The article refutes every single thing about a moon-God, show me how it is wrong. I am waiting…P.S.: These are known facts. I am curious what you have to refute these facts. If I am wrong about these “facts” then I stand corrected. Your go…
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Emad
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Your post is almost identical to that found on many websites, including the ones I listed below. Now did you think of that all by yourself and type it almost word for word by coincidence? No offense taken. I am still waiting for you to refute the link I posted, show me how they are wrong.
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whatevergirl:
Excuse me, but what you’re saying doesn’t make any sense! Did Mohammed have a whole set of what constitutes “sins” that are different from everybody elses and are not really sins anyway?Emad:
That’s absurd! So according to you he’s on a higher “level” than any other human beings and can do things that in others are considered sins but not in his case?
So if he wanted to have a Jewish poet assassinated because he wrote satyrical poems about him, it was okay because Mohammed was a law unto himself? It’s amazing to me the lengths to which Muslims will go to exonerate Mohammed from any “sins”!
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whatevergirl
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Emad:
I agree with your sentiments. It does sound like Mohammed created his “own world” to live in…with his own set of views…that seem to shift around a lot.whatevergirl:
Excuse me, but what you’re saying doesn’t make any sense! Did Mohammed have a whole set of what constitutes “sins” that are different from everybody elses and are not really sins anyway?
So if he wanted to have a Jewish poet assassinated because he wrote satyrical poems about him, it was okay because Mohammed was a law unto himself? It’s amazing to me the lengths to which Muslims will go to exonerate Mohammed from any “sins”!
This is a good post–I’ll be interested to see the rebuttal.
The great debate continues…!
Good day, all–
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Emad
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Emad:
You misunderstood me, I wish you would read things better. The things that God blamed Muhammad peace be upon him for aren’t sins like our sins. For example Allah blamed him for frowning at a blind man who came to ask him a question when he was busy calling all the heads of Quraish to Islam. This blind man didn’t even see him frown since he is blind. Doing that wouldn’t have been a sin if I or a normal Muslim did it, but it wasn’t acecptable for a Prophet to do it thus God corrected him. I hope I made it clearer.whatevergirl:
Excuse me, but what you’re saying doesn’t make any sense! Did Mohammed have a whole set of what constitutes “sins” that are different from everybody elses and are not really sins anyway?
So if he wanted to have a Jewish poet assassinated because he wrote satyrical poems about him, it was okay because Mohammed was a law unto himself? It’s amazing to me the lengths to which Muslims will go to exonerate Mohammed from any “sins”!
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Booklover:
There have only been two people on this earth who were sinless, Jesus, because he is the Son of God, and Mary because she was going to be his mother and had to be as pure as he is. Everyone else is a sinner, prophet or not.Emad:
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Emad:
That’s your belief and it’s your right to believe that. If I stated that you were a liar I would have to bring proof and show you which sin they did according to Christian teachings of sin, not my own.Booklover:
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inJESUS
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then why did mohammad teach that lying is good under some circumstances ? or isn’t this commandmant in quran?
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inJESUS
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so now, the word “dhanb” suddenly became a “mistake”…that’s contadictory to quran’s difinition.
did mohammad repent for mistakes AS WELL AS khati’a ( sin) , evil, INTENTIONAL and unintentional sins/mistakes? if all these are not sins, then what is this? doing something that Allah does not approve of, intentionally, is no sin? defying God is no sin?
and yes, you are all correct…what mohammad considered good/evil depends on his needs.
Having a harem is good since mohammad had more than a dozen one…killing and raping as well as long as he did them…lying is no sin cuz he said you can lie under some circumstances…and the list goes on… So you can’t compare Allah’s morality to God’s morality…they are simply not the same.
did mohammad repent for mistakes AS WELL AS khati’a ( sin) , evil, INTENTIONAL and unintentional sins/mistakes? if all these are not sins, then what is this? doing something that Allah does not approve of, intentionally, is no sin? defying God is no sin?
and yes, you are all correct…what mohammad considered good/evil depends on his needs.
Having a harem is good since mohammad had more than a dozen one…killing and raping as well as long as he did them…lying is no sin cuz he said you can lie under some circumstances…and the list goes on… So you can’t compare Allah’s morality to God’s morality…they are simply not the same.
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inJESUS
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some aspects of this story are true…but no, mohammad was not a pagan…he was a nazaritic whose teacher is the Ebionite Waraqa Ben Nawfal…that’s a truth, written even by some muslims who got killed for it. To know mohammad/quran, learn the history of heretical teachings that ended up in Mecca and Hijaz…when you realize that their doctrines are the same in quran, in addition to jewish/Christian legends, you will understand who Waraqa Ben Nawfal was and where muhammad’s teachings came from…
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Emad
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It’s in the Quran and he did it. It is mentioned in surah Ale Imran and surah an Nahl. Your friend lied saying that he didn’t copy paste the moon-god article.
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Emad
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Waraqa is one of the four men who left the pagan faith of Mecca as mentioned in this article in search for the Hanifite roots ( the religion of Abraham(P)) and returned as a Christian. Even he was claimed to be the source of the Qur’ân. Some missionaries depended on hadîths narrated in Sahih al-Bukhârî:
Narrated 'Aisha(R): Volume 4, Book 55, Number 605:
"…The Prophet returned to Khadija while his heart was beating rapidly. She took him to Waraqa bin Naufal who was a Christian convert and used to read the Gospel in Arabic Waraqa asked (the Prophet), “What do you see?” When he told him, Waraqa said, “That is the same angel whom Allah sent to the Prophet) Moses. Should I live till you receive the Divine Message, I will support you strongly.”
The other hadîth is:
Narrated 'Aisha(R): Volume 1, Book 1, Number 3
Khadija then accompanied him to her cousin Waraqa bin Naufal bin Asad bin 'Abdul 'Uzza, who, during the pre-Islamic Period became a Christian and used to write the writing with Hebrew letters. He would write from the Gospel in Hebrew as much as Allah wished him to write. He was an old man and had lost his eyesight. Khadija said to Waraqa, “Listen to the story of your nephew, O my cousin!” Waraqa asked, “O my nephew! What have you seen?” Allah’s Apostle described whatever he had seen. Waraqa said, “This is the same one who keeps the secrets (angel Gabriel) whom Allah had sent to Moses. I wish I were young and could live up to the time when your people would turn you out.” Allah’s Apostle asked, “Will they drive me out?” Waraqa replied in the affirmative and said, “Anyone (man) who came with something similar to what you have brought was treated with hostility; and if I should remain alive till the day when you will be turned out then I would support you strongly.” But after a few days Waraqa died.
Waraqa was an old man and died shortly after Muhammad(P) had received the revelation of the Qur’ân; as clearly can be read from the above hadîth. While the revelation of the Qur’ân continued for more than twenty years after the death of Waraqah bin Nawfal, the Prophet(P) was receiving the revelation in different places and even while he was among his Companions. Also, he was answering direct questions raised later by the Jews in Madinah. In addition, the Jews and the disbelievers of Mecca would be very pleased if they knew for sure that there was a knowledgeable person who was teaching Muhammad(P) the Qur’ân.
And finally Waraqa himself announced in all of the hadîths reported in Sahih al-Bukhârî that he would support Muhammad(P) strongly if he lived long enough:
“Should I live till you receive the Divine Message, I will support you strongly.”
“if I should remain alive till the day when you will be turned out then I would support you strongly.”
It is not surprising to see that when these points are brought together, Christian missionaries start to take refuge in the excuses that Waraqa was a heretic or on whose authority he said that he would support Muhammad’s(P) prophethood?
Source: islamic-awareness.org/Quran/Sources/BBwaraqa.html
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Emad
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InJesus you have problems with Islam and frankly I don’t care. If you can’t list the sin Muhammad did according to Islams defintion of a sin, don’t post here. That is not the topic. If you believe he was a sinner according to your beliefs fine, you are free to believe that, but for you to say that it is Islamic belief you have to bring me proof. In post 207 I explained what Muhammads sin was. Until you list a sin I will not reply to you, I don’t care if you agree with his actions or not, if they aren’t an Islamic sin I don’t want to hear what you have to say about it.
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jonfan
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Waiting for your refutation of the article…is that it?
Waiting for your refutation of the article…is that it?
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jonfan
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What article? I was busy defending your apology. I will respond when you post the link.
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Emad
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You posted about Allah being a moon God and claimed you didn’t copy/paste it. I posted this article above that refutes the whole moon-god concept. Can you prove that article wrong on your own?
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jonfan
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that’s a lot of reading. Give me a few.
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