Was Stanley Tookie Williams Execution Justified?

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Did you agree with the Execution of Stanley Tookie Williams? And was it morally justified?
 
I don’t see how it can be seen as a deterrent. He was no longer promoting gangs. His only crime at the end was to deny he killed the people. Maybe he didn’t. I don’t know.
 
Tookie Williams died for politics. Scwarcheneggar (spelling), who is percieved by the right as being liberal on positions such as abortion, wanted to gain face with republicans, and improve his image among conservatives. Why else would he have im put to death.
 
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Andrew_11:
Tookie Williams died for politics. Scwarcheneggar (spelling), who is percieved by the right as being liberal on positions such as abortion, wanted to gain face with republicans, and improve his image among conservatives. Why else would he have im put to death.
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I am not a Schwarzenegger fan however I see absolutely no evidence of what you are saying.
 
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gilliam:
I am not a Schwarzenegger fan however I see absolutely no evidence of what you are saying.
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Its just a theory, and it makes a lot of sense. Schwarzenegger is generally despised by true conservatives. This is an attempt to try to gain support the right wing. What other reason would he have to put this man to death on shaky evidence?
 
The Catholic church allows executions when the state cannot protect society in any other way from the criminal. Mr. Williams attacked several prisoners while incarcerated, attacked several guards, plotted his escape (to include the murder of 2 deputies…plot foiled). As much as I hate capital punishment, it think this case qualifies.

I was up late last night praying for the soul of Tookie, hoping that he came to the Lord before his end. May God have mercy on his soul and the souls of his victims.

I really wish this had turned out differently.

I came to the realization that those who defend murderers by making heros out of them do not help their case. Comparing this murderer to Nelson Mandella, nominating him for the Nobel Peace Prize, etc, etc, make a mockery of those lives he has taken. I really think actions such as these firm up the resolve who support the execution. Because if they see the murderer as such a wonderful citizen, what is next, release him?

Remember when someone is being executed Amnesty International says it is not nescessary due to Life Without Parole. For those sentenced to Life, they argue that LWOP is cruel and should be abolished. If the abolitionists would argue honestly, I believe that many more executions could be (thankfully) avoided.
 
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Andrew_11:
Its just a theory, and it makes a lot of sense. Schwarzenegger is generally despised by true conservatives. This is an attempt to try to gain support the right wing. What other reason would he have to put this man to death on shaky evidence?
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Dah, maybe he thought he was doing the right thing? Maybe, just maybe he doesn’t have political motives in this decision?
 
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Andrew_11:
Its just a theory, and it makes a lot of sense. Schwarzenegger is generally despised by true conservatives. This is an attempt to try to gain support the right wing. What other reason would he have to put this man to death on shaky evidence?
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Shaky evevidence? He had numerous appeals. The CA supreme court, Ninth Circuit court and the US Supreme Court all refused to reopen the case.

Gov. Arnold did not put him to death - the State of CA convicted him of murder.
 
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Andrew_11:
Its just a theory, and it makes a lot of sense. Schwarzenegger is generally despised by true conservatives. This is an attempt to try to gain support the right wing. What other reason would he have to put this man to death on shaky evidence?
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If the 9th circuit court of appeals confirmed his guilt (the most liberal and overturned court in the nation), then I really doubt that the evidence was shaky.
 
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If the 9th circuit court of appeals confirmed his guilt (the most liberal and overturned court in the nation), then I really doubt that the evidence was shaky.
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It was all based on eyewitness evidence, one of the witnesses is currently in jail in Canada right now for murder. Not very reliable, eh.
 
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Andrew_11:
Its just a theory, and it makes a lot of sense. Schwarzenegger is generally despised by true conservatives. This is an attempt to try to gain support the right wing. What other reason would he have to put this man to death on shaky evidence?
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Please show me the shaky evidence. The man had his case appealed for twenty five years. I have no feelings on this man’s execution. I do know that many people can not leave their homes in certain areas because of the Crips gang. So the man’s legacy will live on for a long long time. Many young men and women have lost their lives because of the legacy of this man.
 
Stanley williams may have founded the Crips but initially it was just for street protection from other gangs he could not have known wut it was going 2 become. also there would be a much larger margin of street crime if he hadnt supported peace between the bloods and Crips. You can argue that without him there wouldnt have been wars between the bloods and Crips but if it wasn’t the Crips then it would have been sum other random gang. I believe that he did commit those murders, but i also believe he was honestly sorry for them.
 
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goodmike:
I believe that he did commit those murders, but i also believe he was honestly sorry for them.
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How can you believe he was sorry for the murders when he denied he even did them. That is after he bragged to his buddies that he did kill them. He never apologized for the murders, yet you say you know he was sorry for them. You are must be an incredible mind reader.
 
The Swedish are living in the land of Oz. They have known to nominate mass murders for the Nobel Peace Prize. I agree with you on LWOP.

“I came to the realization that those who defend murderers by making heros out of them do not help their case. Comparing this murderer to Nelson Mandella, nominating him for the Nobel Peace Prize, etc, etc, make a mockery of those lives he has taken. I really think actions such as these firm up the resolve who support the execution. Because if they see the murderer as such a wonderful citizen, what is next, release him?”

Remember when someone is being executed Amnesty International says it is not nescessary due to Life Without Parole. For those sentenced to Life, they argue that LWOP is cruel and should be abolished. If the abolitionists would argue honestly, I believe that many more executions could be (thankfully) avoided.
 
There is no news link in the original post.

I don’t see as how this thread is substantively different from the thread already started on Tookie Williams on this same forum. Starting another thread on the same subject only means that the original statements have to be repeated again, the original links have to be reposted. It disrupts discussion.

Here is what Gov Schwartzneggar actually said:

**STATEMENT OF DECISION (corrected version) Request for Clemency by Stanley Williams
 
Ani Ibi:
There is no news link in the original post.

I don’t see as how this thread is substantively different from the thread already started on Tookie Williams on this same forum. Starting another thread on the same subject only means that the original statements have to be repeated again, the original links have to be reposted. It disrupts discussion.

Here is what Gov Schwartzneggar actually said:

STATEMENT OF DECISION (corrected version) Request for Clemency by Stanley Williams
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I posted this thread for the purpose of posting the pole, I had no intention of repeating threads. But in any case I apologize.
 
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Faustina:
How can you believe he was sorry for the murders when he denied he even did them. That is after he bragged to his buddies that he did kill them. He never apologized for the murders, yet you say you know he was sorry for them. You are must be an incredible mind reader.
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he would have denied them for the simple purpose of staying alive
 
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