Was the Bible forbidden in the Middle Ages, as some have claimed?

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Old Scholar is right. ALL the original Sacred Scriptures must have been disappeared by the Catholic Church. It must be true.

Will the last person leaving Christianity please turn off the lights.
 
Goodbye Roman Catholic Church;…👋

Goodbye Eastern Fellas;…👋

Armenian Catholic Church
Belarusian Catholic Church
Bulgarian Catholic Church
Chaldean Catholic Church
Coptic Catholic Church
Croatian Greek Catholic Church
Ethiopian Catholic Church
Georgian Catholic Church
Greek Catholic Church
Hungarian Greek Catholic Church
Italo-Albanian Catholic Church
Macedonian Catholic Church
Maronite Catholic Church
Melkite Catholic Church
Romanian Catholic Church
Russian Catholic Church
Ruthenian Catholic Church Slovak Greek Catholic Church
Syrian Catholic Church
Syro-Malabar Church
Syro-Malankara Catholic Church
Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church

Goodbye Anglicans;…👋

Anglican Church in Aotearoa, New Zealand and Polynesia
Anglican Church in Thailand
Anglican Church of Australia
Anglican Church of Canada
Anglican Church of Kenya
Anglican Church of Korea
Anglican Church of Papua New Guinea
Anglican Church of Southern Africa
Church in Wales
Church of England
Church of Ireland
Church of Nigeria
Church of Uganda
Church of the Province of Burundi
Church of the Province of Central Africa
Church of the Province of Melanesia
Church of the Province of Myanmar
Church of the Province of Rwanda
Church of the Province of South East Asia
Church of the Province of Tanzania
Church of the Province of the Indian Ocean
Church of the Province of the West Indies (History)
Church of the Province of West Africa
Episcopal Church in Jerusalem and the Middle East
Episcopal Church in the United States of America
Episcopal Church of Cuba
Episcopal Church of the Sudan
Hong Kong Sheng Kung Hui
Iglesia Anglicana de la Region Central America
Iglesia Anglicana de México
Iglesia Anglicana del Cono Sur de las Americas
Igreja Episcopal Anglicana do Brasil
Lusitanian Church of Portugal
Nippon Sei Ko Kai (Japan)
Philippine Episcopal Church
Scottish Episcopal Church
Spanish Reformed Episcopal Church

Goodbye Eastern Orthodox;…👋

Goodbye, well, whatever;…👋

Apostolic Lutheran Church of America
Association of Free Lutheran Congregations
Church of the Lutheran Brethren of America
Church of the Lutheran Confession
Concordia Lutheran Conference
Confessional Evangelical Lutheran Conference
All Saints Lutheran Church of Nigeria - Nigeria
Bulgarian Lutheran Church - Bulgaria
Christ the King Lutheran (Nigeria) - Nigeria
Estonian Evangelical Lutheran Church
Evangelical Church of the Augsburg Confession in Slovakia
Evangelical Church of the Lutheran Confession in Brazil
Evangelical Church in the Republic of Croatia
Evangelical Lutheran Free Church of Norway
Evangelical Lutheran Church in America
Evangelical Lutheran Church in Canada
Evangelical Lutheran Church in Chile
Evangelical Lutheran Church in Guyana
Evangelical Lutheran Church of Papua New Guinea
Evangelical Lutheran Church in Russia and Other States
Evangelical Lutheran Church in Southern Africa
Evangelical Lutheran Church in Suriname
Evangelical Lutheran Church in Venezuela
Evangelical Lutheran Church of Colombia
Evangelical Lutheran Church of Finland
Evangelical Lutheran Church of France
Evangelical Lutheran Church of Hong Kong
Evangelical Lutheran Church of Latvia
Evangelical Lutheran Church in Tanzania
India Evangelical Lutheran Church
Japan Evangelical Lutheran Church
Lutheran Church in Chile
Lutheran Church in Great Britain
Lutheran Church in Hungary
Lutheran Church of Australia
Lutheran Costarican Church
Mexican Lutheran Church
Nicaraguan Lutheran Church of Faith and Hope
Salvadoran Lutheran Synod
United **Evangelical Lutheran Church (Argentina)
Evangelical Community Church - Lutheran
Augustana Evangelical Catholic Communion

Reformed Churches
World Alliance of Reformed Churches
Evangelical Reformed Church Association

Presbyterianism
Associate Reformed Presbyterian Church
Bible Presbyterian Church
Christ Community Church
Church of Scotland
Church of the Good Shepherd in Poland
Confederation of Reformed Evangelical Churches
Cumberland Presbyterian Church
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Reformed Churches of Spain I.R.E
Evangelical Presbyterian Church (Australia)
Free Evangelic Church
Free Church of Scotland
Free Church of Scotland (Continuing)
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Reformed Presbytery in North America
Southern Presbyterian Church (Australia)
Upper Cumberland Presbyterian Church
The United Church of Canada
United Free Church of Scotland
Uniting Presbyterian Church in Southern Africa
Westminster Presbyterian Church of Australia

Congregationalist Churches
Canadian and American Church of Jesus Christ
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Christian Reformed Church in North America
Christian Reformed Churches of Australia
Church of Lippe
Confederation of Reformed Evangelical Churches
Congregational Federation of Australia
Dutch Reformed Church
English Independents - Merged into various groups.
Evangelical Reformed Baptist Churches in Italy
Evangelical Reformed Church of Singapore
Evangelical Reformed Church in Republic of Poland
Federation of Swiss Protestant Churches
Federation of Reformed Churches
Fellowship of Congregational Churches (Australia)
Free Reformed Churches of North America
Heritage Reformed Congregations
Huguenots
Hungarian Reformed Church in America
Reformed Evangelical Church of Cameroon
National Association of Congregational Christian Churches
Netherlands Reformed Congregations
Orthodox Christian Reformed Church
Protestant Reformed Churches in America
Reformed Christian Church in Croatia
Reformed Church in America
Reformed Church in Bavaria and Northwestern Germany
Reformed Church in Hungary
Reformed Church in the United States
Reformed Church of Alsace and Lorraine
Reformed Church of Japan
Remonstrant Brotherhood
The United Church of Canada
United Church of Christ
United Congregational Church of Southern Africa
United Reformed Churches in North America

Anabaptists

Amish
Beachy Amish
Nebraska Amish
Old Order Amish
Swartzendruber Amish
Apostolic Christian Church
Hutterites
Bruderhof Communities
Brethren in Christ
Mennonites
Alliance of Mennonite Evangelical Congregations
Chortitzer Mennonite Conference
Church of God in Christ, Mennonite
Conservative Mennonite Conference

Evangelical Mennonite Church
Evangelical Mennonite Conference
Evangelical Mennonite Mission Conference
Evangelical Missionary Church
Fellowship of Evangelical Bible Churches Brethren
Mennonite Brethren Churches
Canadian Conference of Mennonite Brethren Churches
Japan Mennonite Brethren Conference
US Conference of Mennonite Brethren Churches
Mennonite Church Canada
General Conference Mennonite Church
Mennonite Church in the Netherlands
Mennonite Church USA
General Conference Mennonite Church
Missionary Church
Old Order Mennonites
Swiss Mennonite Conference

Methodists
African Methodist (Southern Africa)
African Methodist Church (Zimbabwe)
African Methodist Episcopal Church
Bible Church
African Methodist Episcopal Zion Church
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British Methodist Episcopal Church
Central Congo United Methodist Church
Chinese Methodist Church
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Christian Methodist Episcopal Church (Dallas, TX)
Congregational Methodist Church
Church of Christ (Hong Kong & Peoples Republic of China)
Church of North India
Church of Pakistan
Church of South India
Church of the Nazarene
Evangelical Church
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Evangelical Church of Uruguay
Evangelical Methodist Church
Evangelical Methodist Church of Argentina
Evangelical Methodist Church of Bolivia
Evangelical Methodist Church of Costa Rica
Evangelical Methodist Church of Panama
Evangelical Methodist Church of Philippines
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Evangelical Methodist Community (Paraguay)
The Evangelical Church (Spain)
Evangelical United Church (Ecuador)
Finnish United Methodist Church (Finland)
First Congregational Methodist Church
The Free Methodist Church (North America)
Free Wesleyan Church (Tonga)
Fellowship of Independent Methodist Churches
Fundamental Methodist Conference, Inc.
Independent Methodist Church
Korean Methodist Church
Methodist Church, Hong Kong
movement, Holiness Tabernacles, and Third Great Awakening
Allegheny Wesleyan Methodist Connection
Bible Fellowship Church
Christian Baptist Church of God
Christian’s Missionary Church
Church of Christ (Holiness) U.S.A.
Church of God (Anderson)
Church of God (Guthrie, Oklahoma)
Church of God (Holiness)
Church of God (Restoration)
Churches of God General Conference (Winebrenner)
Church of the Nazarene
Harmony Society
Missionary Church
United Christian Church
Wesleyan Church

Baptists

Christ Gospel Churches International

Holiness Baptist Association
Holy Mountain Church
House of Prayer Christian Church
India Pentecostal Church of God
Independent Assemblies of God, International
International Circle of Faith - ICOF
International Church of the Foursquare Gospel
International Pentecostal Church of Christ
International Pentecostal Holiness Church
Kerala Christian Assembly (Canada)
Ministers Fellowship International
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Pentecostal Assemblies of Canada
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Pentecostal Assemblies of Newfoundland
Pentecostal Assemblies of the World
Pentecostal Church of Christ
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Pentecostal Free Will Baptist Church
Pentecostal/Charismatic Churches of North America
Pentecostal Churches of the Apostolic Faith
Philadelphia Christian Church
Pentecostal World Conference
Potter’s House Christian Fellowship
Redeemed Christian Church of God
Revival Centres International
The Apostolic Church
The Church of God (Jerusalem Acres)
The Church of God for All Nations
The Fellowship (FGFCMI)
The Pentecostal Mission
The Revival Fellowship
United Churches of God in Christ
United Gospel Tabernacles
United Holy Church of America
United Pentecostal Church International
United Pentecostal Churches of Christ
Zimbabwe Assemblies of God Africa (ZAOGA)

Byeeee…
 
Zardoz read thread. Zardoz in full agreement with Old Scholar. Church burned original manuscripts just like all documents of Roswell in 1947 were burned. The Illuminati have long reach.
 
Certainly they were in the possession of the church. What do you think happened to them?
They were well taken care of and as a result today you have copies in your posession.

What do you think happened to them, Old Scholar?
 
They were well taken care of and as a result today you have copies in your posession.

What do you think happened to them, Old Scholar?
The oldest copies of the New Testament we have only date back to 400 A.D. Seems that was about the time Jerome started his translations…
 
Ok, nobody has the Bible, including yourself.
If the originals were lost in time.
Old Scholar is right. ALL the original Sacred Scriptures must have been disappeared by the Catholic Church. It must be true.

Will the last person leaving Christianity please turn off the lights.
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Goodbye Roman Catholic Church;…

Goodbye Eastern Fellas;…

Armenian Catholic Church
Belarusian Catholic Church
Bulgarian Catholic Church
Chaldean Catholic Church
Coptic Catholic Church
Croatian Greek Catholic Church
Ethiopian Catholic Church
Georgian Catholic Church
Greek Catholic Church
Hungarian Greek Catholic Church
Italo-Albanian Catholic Church
Macedonian Catholic Church
Maronite Catholic Church
Melkite Catholic Church
Romanian Catholic Church
Russian Catholic Church
Ruthenian Catholic Church Slovak Greek Catholic Church
Syrian Catholic Church
Syro-Malabar Church
Syro-Malankara Catholic Church
Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church

Goodbye Anglicans;…

Anglican Church in Aotearoa, New Zealand and Polynesia
Anglican Church in Thailand
Anglican Church of Australia
Anglican Church of Canada
Anglican Church of Kenya
Anglican Church of Korea
Anglican Church of Papua New Guinea
Anglican Church of Southern Africa
Church in Wales
Church of England
Church of Ireland
Church of Nigeria
Church of Uganda
Church of the Province of Burundi
Church of the Province of Central Africa
Church of the Province of Melanesia
Church of the Province of Myanmar
Church of the Province of Rwanda
Church of the Province of South East Asia
Church of the Province of Tanzania
Church of the Province of the Indian Ocean
Church of the Province of the West Indies (History)
Church of the Province of West Africa
Episcopal Church in Jerusalem and the Middle East
Episcopal Church in the United States of America
Episcopal Church of Cuba
Episcopal Church of the Sudan
Hong Kong Sheng Kung Hui
Iglesia Anglicana de la Region Central America
Iglesia Anglicana de México
Iglesia Anglicana del Cono Sur de las Americas
Igreja Episcopal Anglicana do Brasil
Lusitanian Church of Portugal
Nippon Sei Ko Kai (Japan)
Philippine Episcopal Church
Scottish Episcopal Church
Spanish Reformed Episcopal Church

Goodbye Eastern Orthodox;…

Goodbye, well, whatever;…

Apostolic Lutheran Church of America
Association of Free Lutheran Congregations
Church of the Lutheran Brethren of America
Church of the Lutheran Confession
Concordia Lutheran Conference
Confessional Evangelical Lutheran Conference
All Saints Lutheran Church of Nigeria - Nigeria
Bulgarian Lutheran Church - Bulgaria
Christ the King Lutheran (Nigeria) - Nigeria
Estonian Evangelical Lutheran Church
Evangelical Church of the Augsburg Confession in Slovakia
Evangelical Church of the Lutheran Confession in Brazil
Evangelical Church in the Republic of Croatia
Evangelical Lutheran Free Church of Norway
Evangelical Lutheran Church in America
Evangelical Lutheran Church in Canada
Evangelical Lutheran Church in Chile
Evangelical Lutheran Church in Guyana
Evangelical Lutheran Church of Papua New Guinea
Evangelical Lutheran Church in Russia and Other States
Evangelical Lutheran Church in Southern Africa
Evangelical Lutheran Church in Suriname
Evangelical Lutheran Church in Venezuela
Evangelical Lutheran Church of Colombia
Evangelical Lutheran Church of Finland
Evangelical Lutheran Church of France
Evangelical Lutheran Church of Hong Kong
Evangelical Lutheran Church of Latvia
Evangelical Lutheran Church in Tanzania
India Evangelical Lutheran Church
Japan Evangelical Lutheran Church
Lutheran Church in Chile
Lutheran Church in Great Britain
Lutheran Church in Hungary
Lutheran Church of Australia
Lutheran Costarican Church
Mexican Lutheran Church
Nicaraguan Lutheran Church of Faith and Hope
Salvadoran Lutheran Synod
United **Evangelical Lutheran Church (Argentina)
Evangelical Community Church - Lutheran
Augustana Evangelical Catholic Communion

Reformed Churches
World Alliance of Reformed Churches
Evangelical Reformed Church Association

Presbyterianism
Associate Reformed Presbyterian Church
Bible Presbyterian Church
Christ Community Church
Church of Scotland
Church of the Good Shepherd in Poland
Confederation of Reformed Evangelical Churches
Cumberland Presbyterian Church
Evangelical Presbyterian Church
Evangelical Presbyterian Church in England and Wales
Reformed Churches of Spain I.R.E
Evangelical Presbyterian Church (Australia)
Free Evangelic Church
Free Church of Scotland
Free Church of Scotland (Continuing)
Free Presbyterian Church of Scotland
Free Presbyterian Church of Ulster
Free Presbyterian Church (Australia)
Greek Evangelic Church
Independent Evangelic Church
Korean Presbyterian Church in America
Orthodox Presbyterian Church
Presbyterian Church in America
Presbyterian Church of Aotearoa New Zealand
Presbyterian Church of Australia
Presbyterian Church in Cameroon
Presbyterian Church in Canada
Presbyterian Church of Eastern Australia
Presbyterian Church of Ghana
Presbyterian Church of India
Presbyterian Church in Ireland
Presbyterian Church of Korea
Presbyterian Church in the Republic of Korea
Presbyterian Church in Taiwan
Presbyterian Church of Wales
Presbyterian Church (USA)
Presbyterian Reformed Church (Canada)
Presbyterian Reformed Church (Australia)
Reformed Church of France
Reformed Churches of Spain I.R.E
Reformed Presbyterian Church of Australia
Reformed Presbyterian Church - Covenanted
Reformed Presbyterian Church General Assembly
Reformed Presbyterian Church of Ireland
Reformed Presbyterian Church of North America
Reformed Presbytery in North America
Southern Presbyterian Church (Australia)
Upper Cumberland Presbyterian Church
The United Church of Canada
United Free Church of Scotland
Uniting Presbyterian Church in Southern Africa
Westminster Presbyterian Church of Australia

Congregationalist Churches
Canadian and American Church of Jesus Christ
Canadian and American Reformed Churches
Christian Reformed Church in North America
Christian Reformed Churches of Australia
Church of Lippe
Confederation of Reformed Evangelical Churches
Congregational Federation of Australia
Dutch Reformed Church
English Independents - Merged into various groups.
Evangelical Reformed Baptist Churches in Italy
Evangelical Reformed Church of Singapore
Evangelical Reformed Church in Republic of Poland
Federation of Swiss Protestant Churches
Federation of Reformed Churches
Fellowship of Congregational Churches (Australia)
Free Reformed Churches of North America
Heritage Reformed Congregations
Huguenots
Hungarian Reformed Church in America
Reformed Evangelical Church of Cameroon
National Association of Congregational Christian Churches
Netherlands Reformed Congregations
Orthodox Christian Reformed Church
Protestant Reformed Churches in America
Reformed Christian Church in Croatia
Reformed Church in America
Reformed Church in Bavaria and Northwestern Germany
Reformed Church in Hungary
Reformed Church in the United States
Reformed Church of Alsace and Lorraine
Reformed Church of Japan
Remonstrant Brotherhood
The United Church of Canada
United Church of Christ
United Congregational Church of Southern Africa
United Reformed Churches in North America

Anabaptists

Amish
Beachy Amish
Nebraska Amish
Old Order Amish
Swartzendruber Amish
Apostolic Christian Church
Hutterites
Bruderhof Communities
Brethren in Christ
Mennonites
Alliance of Mennonite Evangelical Congregations
Chortitzer Mennonite Conference
Church of God in Christ, Mennonite
Conservative Mennonite Conference

Evangelical Mennonite Church
Evangelical Mennonite Conference
Evangelical Mennonite Mission Conference
Evangelical Missionary Church
Fellowship of Evangelical Bible Churches Brethren
Mennonite Brethren Churches
Canadian Conference of Mennonite Brethren Churches
Japan Mennonite Brethren Conference
US Conference of Mennonite Brethren Churches
Mennonite Church Canada
General Conference Mennonite Church
Mennonite Church in the Netherlands
Mennonite Church USA
General Conference Mennonite Church
Missionary Church
Old Order Mennonites
Swiss Mennonite Conference

Methodists
African Methodist (Southern Africa)
African Methodist Church (Zimbabwe)
African Methodist Episcopal Church
Bible Church
African Methodist Episcopal Zion Church
Bible Methodist Church
British Methodist Episcopal Church
Central Congo United Methodist Church
Chinese Methodist Church
Chinese Methodist Church (Australia)
Christian Methodist Episcopal Church (Dallas, TX)
Congregational Methodist Church
Church of Christ (Hong Kong & Peoples Republic of China)
Church of North India
Church of Pakistan
Church of South India
Church of the Nazarene
Evangelical Church
Evangelical Church of the Dominican Republic
Evangelical Church of Uruguay
Evangelical Methodist Church
Evangelical Methodist Church of Argentina
Evangelical Methodist Church of Bolivia
Evangelical Methodist Church of Costa Rica
Evangelical Methodist Church of Panama
Evangelical Methodist Church of Philippines
Evangelical Methodist Church of Portugal
Evangelical Methodist Community (Paraguay)
The Evangelical Church (Spain)
Evangelical United Church (Ecuador)
Finnish United Methodist Church (Finland)
First Congregational Methodist Church
The Free Methodist Church (North America)
Free Wesleyan Church (Tonga)
Fellowship of Independent Methodist Churches
Fundamental Methodist Conference, Inc.
Independent Methodist Church
Korean Methodist Church
Methodist Church, Hong Kong
movement, Holiness Tabernacles, and Third Great Awakening
Allegheny Wesleyan Methodist Connection
Bible Fellowship Church
Christian Baptist Church of God
Christian’s Missionary Church
Church of Christ (Holiness) U.S.A.
Church of God (Anderson)
Church of God (Guthrie, Oklahoma)
Church of God (Holiness)
Church of God (Restoration)
Churches of God General Conference (Winebrenner)
Church of the Nazarene
Harmony Society
Missionary Church
United Christian Church
Wesleyan Church

Baptists

Christ Gospel Churches International

Holiness Baptist Association
Holy Mountain Church
House of Prayer Christian Church
India Pentecostal Church of God
Independent Assemblies of God, International
International Circle of Faith - ICOF
International Church of the Foursquare Gospel
International Pentecostal Church of Christ
International Pentecostal Holiness Church
Kerala Christian Assembly (Canada)
Ministers Fellowship International
New Life Churches
New Testament Christian Churches of America, Inc
Open Bible Standard Churches
Pentecostal Assemblies of Canada
Pentecostal Assemblies of Jesus Christ
Pentecostal Assemblies of Newfoundland
Pentecostal Assemblies of the World
Pentecostal Church of Christ
Pentecostal Church of God
Pentecostal Free Will Baptist Church
Pentecostal/Charismatic Churches of North America
Pentecostal Churches of the Apostolic Faith
Philadelphia Christian Church
Pentecostal World Conference
Potter’s House Christian Fellowship
Redeemed Christian Church of God
Revival Centres International
The Apostolic Church
The Church of God (Jerusalem Acres)
The Church of God for All Nations
The Fellowship (FGFCMI)
The Pentecostal Mission
The Revival Fellowship
United Churches of God in Christ
United Gospel Tabernacles
United Holy Church of America
United Pentecostal Church International
United Pentecostal Churches of Christ
Zimbabwe Assemblies of God Africa (ZAOGA)

Byeeee…
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The oldest copies of the New Testament we have only date back to 400 A.D. Seems that was about the time Jerome started his translations…
Wait… so you are backtracking and claiming now what you just yesterday were claiming that you didn’t claim?

Namely, in the face of my enumeration about how far and wide and indepedently the texts of Scriptures traveled to the Christian East (about which you admit ignorance)…

…and about how it would have been IMPOSSIBLE for the Church of Rome to gather up every copy from Ireland to India, Germania to Ethiopia to suppress and re-write…

… you in fact ARE claiming that there books that the Roman Church suppressed?

Yes or no?

Why don’t the Christians of India and Persia - who NEVER dealt with a copy of Jerome’s vulgate if they even ever heard of it - have the original books that are supposedly different???

But again, you are harkening back to your logical fallacy that the lack of older manuscripts = suppression.

I have no older brothers and sisters which proves my parents sold them, right?

There are no unicorns running around which proves someone killed them all, right?
 
Wait… so you are backtracking and claiming now what you just yesterday were claiming that you didn’t claim?

Namely, in the face of my enumeration about how far and wide and indepedently the texts of Scriptures traveled to the Christian East (about which you admit ignorance)…

…and about how it would have been IMPOSSIBLE for the Church of Rome to gather up every copy from Ireland to India, Germania to Ethiopia to suppress and re-write…

… you in fact ARE claiming that there books that the Roman Church suppressed?

Yes or no?

Why don’t the Christians of India and Persia - who NEVER dealt with a copy of Jerome’s vulgate if they even ever heard of it - have the original books that are supposedly different???

But again, you are harkening back to your logical fallacy that the lack of older manuscripts = suppression.

I have no older brothers and sisters which proves my parents sold them, right?

There are no unicorns running around which proves someone killed them all, right?
You’re talking in circles. I just can’t make much sense of what you continue to say. Maybe I’m just stupid or something but you seem to ramble to me.
 
You’re talking in circles. I just can’t make much sense of what you continue to say. Maybe I’m just stupid or something but you seem to ramble to me.
Old Scholare - we will take this really slow for your benifit.

When you say (here come your words):
The oldest copies of the New Testament we have only date back to 400 A.D. Seems that was about the time Jerome started his translations…
I will ask VERY plainly… Do you mean to contend that Rome altered the Scriptures at the time Saint Jerome started his translations? Yes or no?

This isn’t circular, I don’t understand why it doesn’t make sense to you… but in all fairness, what you say so far doesn’t make much sense to me either.

If you are contending that ROME tried to suppress legitimate books of the Scripture, I want you to explain how they did it. AGAIN - simply pointing to a LACK of old texts is NOT proof that they were suppressed.
You seem to have the idea I have been proclaiming the Romans destroyed Scripture. I have been talking about the prohibition of the Bible by the Roman Church and only causually mentioned that if the Church had the Scriptures to copy, then why did they disappear. Is this claiming a conspiracy to destroy Scripture? I believe you are arguing one thing and me another. Others on this forum have already admitted that the church banned the Bible so that argument has been won.
Can you show me where others showed the Church “banned the Bible”? Also, what are you talking about exactly when you say the Scriptures disappeared?
 
Old Scholare - we will take this really slow for your benifit.

When you say (here come your words):I will ask VERY plainly… Do you mean to contend that Rome altered the Scriptures at the time Saint Jerome started his translations? Yes or no?
My statement was that Jerome translated it to his own liking, as he did not accept the Septuagint.
This isn’t circular, I don’t understand why it doesn’t make sense to you… but in all fairness, what you say so far doesn’t make much sense to me either.
If you are contending that ROME tried to suppress legitimate books of the Scripture, I want you to explain how they did it. AGAIN - simply pointing to a LACK of old texts is NOT proof that they were suppressed.
I have already listed the Roman Catholic documents that in fact DID ban books and gave you all the references so you can check yourself. I don’t want to continually have to list them over and over.
Can you show me where others showed the Church “banned the Bible”? Also, what are you talking about exactly when you say the Scriptures disappeared?
Yes. Read posts: 309, 321, 326, 3431 and 343, just to name a few I quickly found.
 
My statement was that Jerome translated it to his own liking, as he did not accept the Septuagint.
Now there’s a :whistle: novel argument. Usually, you are blaming the Catholics for “keeping the Bible in Latin & Greek”.
Now,:rolleyes: apparently, you feel that this was wrong, because the Bible should only be available in Greek & Hebrew. Who knew?? It’s the old Muslim “keep-the-koran-arabic” defence. Sheesh.
I have already listed the Roman Catholic documents that in fact DID ban books and gave you all the references so you can check yourself. I don’t want to continually have to list them over and over.
Actually, OS, you posted a lot of nonsense from anti-Catholic sites & sources that said that the Catholics were banning books.

I could say that Ellen White banned the banana; that wouldn’t make it true.
I could even start a website (at $6.95 US & up), and print other people saying that she banned the banana.
That wouldn’t keep bananas off of SDA tables 'round the world. Unless somebody were demonstrably nuts, they’d snort, and say, “What does that site know?”, and go on as before. Which would be perfectly right & proper, since it would be just as much a lie as the ones that are published on A-C websites.
I could say that a monkey wrote Shakespeare. That wouldn’t make the idea any less :whacky: !!
Sheesh.🤷

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** Yes. Read posts: 309, 321, 326, 3431 and 343, just to name a few I quickly found.
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Ellen White banned the banana?

Oh my. What are we to do…I have to start a petition.
 
In the Middle Ages, people had lots of money. And bibles were cheap. It was easily affordable to have a reliable copy of the bible. You know, those folk from the Middle Ages were pretty snazzy when it came to mass media and photo copiers and the internet and the like. The church was rather redundant because everybody had access to the bible.

:rolleyes:

I think people in the Middle Ages had better access to the bible than most students today in public schools - and dare I say - which are run by Protestant governments. Ok… may be that last bit was cheap shot. 😊
Actually, there were many thousands of copies of the Latin Bible in circulation. And it was a book like the Bible’s we have. I mean the Paris Bible, of which many copies remain. It was written on thin parchment and just the right size to fit in the pocket of a preacher’s gown. For it served as text for the Friars who went about Europe preaching, a bit like John Wesley would do in 18th Cwentury England, to the crowds in public squares.
It is estimated that 10% of Europe could read Latin, so the Bible was accessible to any literate person. As for the English Bible, it was discredited largely because of Wycliff’s heresies. But it is interesting what became of a Lollard Bible that was confiscated
by the authorities. It was given into the care of orthoxdox familes, who used it for their devotions. The Bible is a difficult book, and where there was limitation of its use, it was because
it is not a self-interpreting text.

Nonethless, the inventing of the printing press led to an explosion in the number of Bibles, including many in the vernacular.
 
In the Middle Ages, people had lots of money. And bibles were cheap. It was easily affordable to have a reliable copy of the bible. You know, those folk from the Middle Ages were pretty snazzy when it came to mass media and photo copiers and the internet and the like. The church was rather redundant because everybody had access to the bible.

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I think people in the Middle Ages had better access to the bible than most students today in public schools - and dare I say - which are run by Protestant governments. Ok… may be that last bit was cheap shot. 😊
Anyone who could read Latin had access to the Paris Bible.
 
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