Was the Catholic Church involved with the Nazis?

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I gave a reply to my friend. He responded saying, “The article is stupid. I acted imaturely. I prayed about it. I apologize.”

Thank God! I pray for his peace and clarity of mind and spirit.

Thanks to you who gave supporting replies!

There is so much behind each story and photo. Never look at them superficially!
High level CC officials and priests are clearly doing the sieg heil…that is showing support for Hitler.

I think this was basically just another example of the church just going along with whatever is popular at the time…same thing happens today in our world.
 
High level CC officials and priests are clearly doing the sieg heil…that is showing support for Hitler.

I think this was basically just another example of the church just going along with whatever is popular at the time…same thing happens today in our world.
I don’t think the Church “just (goes) along with whatever is popular at the time…” If that were the case, the Church would be on the side of same-sex marriage, gay adoption, abortion rights, female priests, married priests, and other social issues.
 
Was the Catholic Church involved with the Nazis?
This question should be asked.

However, I’ve noticed in the News Media and in history documentary and TV shows, the German Protestant Churches, many of which strongly supported the National Socialist government, are given a pass and receive no scrutiny at all.

So it’s only the Catholic Church which is asked about.

Not defending the indefensible by any means but it is all part of the same big pattern carried out by News Media with its sole focus / fixation on the Catholic Church while ignoring the dirty laundry of other religions, countries, Big Business, public schools which have had shocking sexual abuse scandals, “Magdalene Sisters”, and Nazi collaboration in the past and present but the focus and scrutiny is always and only on the Catholic Church.

Just something I’ve noticed.
 
This question should be asked.

However, I’ve noticed in the News Media and in history documentary and TV shows, the German Protestant Churches, many of which strongly supported the National Socialist government, are given a pass and receive no scrutiny at all.

So it’s only the Catholic Church which is asked about.

Not defending the indefensible by any means but it is all part of the same big pattern carried out by News Media with its sole focus / fixation on the Catholic Church while ignoring the dirty laundry of other religions, countries, Big Business, public schools which have had shocking sexual abuse scandals, “Magdalene Sisters”, and Nazi collaboration in the past and present but the focus and scrutiny is always and only on the Catholic Church.

Just something I’ve noticed.
Why do you think that is the case?
 
High level CC officials and priests are clearly doing the sieg heil…that is showing support for Hitler.

I think this was basically just another example of the church just going along with whatever is popular at the time…same thing happens today in our world.
You mean the same church against Same Sex Marriage, Abortion, Euthanasia, and pre marital sex?🤷
 
But no the church itself did not collaborate with the fascists
Yes it did, the Lateran Treaty was an agreement between Pope Pius XI and Benito Mussolini which created the modern Vatican sate.

"The Lateran Pacts signed by Mussolini on 11 February 1929, had three parts: a political treaty giving the Vatican its own micro-state, a financial convention giving the Vatican reparations and a concordat giving privileges within Italy, for instance by letting the Church influence public education. In return for all of this Mussolini received Vatican recognition of the Kingdom of Italy…of which he happened to be the dictator."

http://www.passports.com/sites/default/files/lateran accords.jpeg
Mussolini, Pius XI signing the Lateran Accords of 1929.

Then there was the church’s support of Francisco Franco and his Fascist regime.
“In response to a request by Franco for a public declaration of support from the church hierarchy, all the bishops but two signed a joint Letter to Catholic Bishops Throughout the World. Claiming an imminent communist revolution”


Fascist Franco Generals coming up to kiss the Pope’s ring finger.
 
Its good you bring this up because i’m sure like a lot of movements, the nazi’s didn’t make their true intentions known until they got absolute power. And thinking about it, there’s nothing wrong with wanting to have a strong nation and a better economy. Plus people were blinded by the false ideology of nationalism which the nazi’s capitalized on.
Hitler promised jobs and uniting the Germanic peoples. The Great Depression had hit Europe as well. He also began programs to mobilize young people, like the RAD or Reich Labor Service. It brought a sense of pride as roads were repaired and created a sense of camaraderie. He encouraged more work on the autobahn, and full employment was almost reached by 1936.

Time magazine named Hitler Man of the Year in 1938.

content.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,760539,00.html

The Church’s primary concerns in its dealings with the Third Reich were guaranteeing rights for Catholics and and watching for humanitarian abuses. The Pope spoke when he needed to.

Ed
 
High level CC officials and priests are clearly doing the sieg heil…that is showing support for Hitler.

I think this was basically just another example of the church just going along with whatever is popular at the time…same thing happens today in our world.
The Nazi salute was simply done. It did not, at the time, show approval or disapproval. To this day, proper gestures and forms of address are required for the Queen of England, for example, and other Heads of State. Don’t read this gesture as being anything more than what every other German person did. It was respectful, just as Japanese persons sometimes bow to me.

Sieg Heil simply meant Hail Victory. Soon, the crushing debt of the Treaty of Versailles would be wiped out in the same railroad car in which the Germans signed that document right after World War I.

Ed
 
If you
  1. Read the site
  2. Check the historic facts against mainstream sources
  3. Note the name of the website the email goes to, @arrogantcatholic.com
This is an anti catholic website. It’s sources are other anti-Catholic website.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rescue_of_Jews_by_Catholics_during_the_Holocaust
catholic.com/documents/how-pius-xii-protected-jews
michaeljournal.org/piusXII.htm
From jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/anti-semitism/pius.html
In the spring of 1940, the Chief Rabbi of Palestine, Isaac Herzog, asked the papal Secretary of State, Cardinal Luigi Maglione to intercede to keep Jews in Spain from being deported to Germany. He later made a similar request for Jews in Lithuania. The papacy did nothing.(5)

Within the Pope’s own church, Cardinal Theodor Innitzer of Vienna told Pius XII about Jewish deportations in 1941. In 1942, the Slovakian charge d’affaires, a position under the supervision of the Pope, reported to Rome that Slovakian Jews were being systematically deported and sent to death camps.

In October 1941, the Assistant Chief of the U.S. delegation to the Vatican, Harold Tittman, asked the Pope to condemn the atrocities. The response came that the Holy See wanted to remain “neutral,” and that condemning the atrocities would have a negative influence on Catholics in German-held lands.

In late August 1942, after more than 200,000 Ukrainian Jews had been killed, Ukrainian Metropolitan Andrej Septyckyj wrote a long letter to the Pope, referring to the German government as a regime of terror and corruption, more diabolical than that of the Bolsheviks. The Pope replied by quoting verses from Psalms and advising Septyckyj to “bear adversity with serene patience.”
 
I cannot believe these images!!! It is truly disgusting! Was the CC ever held accountable for this?
Exactly what should the CC be accountable for? Your 20/20 hindsight? What is truly disgusting is the ignorance of that time. Remember that Hitler was a legitimate leader of Germany. Do you condemn the Pope now for receiving world leaders? Even those who are less than admirable.
 
You mean the same church against Same Sex Marriage, Abortion, Euthanasia, and pre marital sex?🤷
Besides good press the Catholic Church stands to gain very little from embracing any of theses issues, the people who support Gay marriage, Premarital Sex etc, aren’t the type of people who attend mass on a regular basis, they are not the ones putting money in the church’s collection basket, the people who do attend church and there for give her money, are Conservatives who despise liberal ideology, why on Earth would a business **** off its most loyal customers?

The Fact is during WW2 the Vatican was acting in its own interest, it was a microstate surrounded by Fascists, so it remained neutral through out the entirety of the war for its own sake.
 
Exactly what should the CC be accountable for? Your 20/20 hindsight? What is truly disgusting is the ignorance of that time. Remember that Hitler was a legitimate leader of Germany. Do you condemn the Pope now for receiving world leaders? Even those who are less than admirable.
If those visits validate the leader of the regime then yes. Visiting Cuba in an attempt to make it more democratic is different then visiting Germany and going full HAIL VICTORY as seen in many of the photos I’ve provided. Also what hindsight? The Vatican still wished the Führer happy birthday in 1939 well after such nasty things like the “Night of Broken Glass”.
 
From jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/anti-semitism/pius.html
In the spring of 1940, the Chief Rabbi of Palestine, Isaac Herzog, asked the papal Secretary of State, Cardinal Luigi Maglione to intercede to keep Jews in Spain from being
How Pius XII Protected Jews
The Pope’s efforts did not go unrecognized by Jewish authorities, even during the War. The Chief Rabbi of Jerusalem, Isaac Herzog, sent the Pope a personal message of thanks on February 28, 1944, in which he said: “The people of Israel will never forget what His Holiness and his illustrious delegates, inspired by the eternal principles of religion which form the very foundations of true civilization, are doing for us unfortunate brothers and sisters in the most tragic hour of our history, which is living proof of divine Providence in this world.”[17]
Other Jewish leaders chimed in also. Rabbi Safran of Bucharest, Romania, sent a note of thanks to the papal nuncio on April 7, 1944: “It is not easy for us to find the right words to express the warmth and consolation we experienced because of the concern of the supreme pontiff, who offered a large sum to relieve the sufferings of deported Jews. . . . The Jews of Romania will never forget these facts of historic importance.”[18]
The Chief Rabbi of Rome, Israel Zolli, also made a statement of thanks: “What the Vatican did will be indelibly and eternally engraved in our hearts. . . . Priests and even high prelates did things that will forever be an honor to Catholicism.”[19]
After the war, Zolli became a Catholic and, to honor the Pope for what he had done for the Jews and the role he had played in Zolli’s conversion, took the name “Eugenio”—the Pope’s given name—as his own baptismal name. Zolli stressed that his conversion was for theological reasons, which was certainly true, but the fact that the Pope had worked so hard on behalf of the Jews no doubt played a role in inspiring him to look at the truths of Christianity.
Lapide writes: "When Zolli accepted baptism in 1945 and adopted Pius’s Christian name of Eugene, most Roman Jews were convinced that his conversion was an act of gratitude for wartime succor to Jewish refugees and, repeated denials not withstanding, many are still of his opinion. Thus, Rabbi Barry Dov Schwartz wrote in the summer issue, 1964, of Conservative Judaism: ‘Many Jews were persuaded to convert after the war, as a sign of gratitude, to that institution which had saved their lives.’ "[20]
 
"The Chief Rabbi of Rome, Israel Zolli, also made a statement of thanks: “What the Vatican did will be indelibly and eternally engraved in our hearts. . . . Priests and even high prelates did things that will forever be an honor to Catholicism.”[19]

After the war, Zolli became a Catholic and, to honor the Pope for what he had done for the Jews and the role he had played in Zolli’s conversion, took the name “Eugenio”—the Pope’s given name—as his own baptismal name. Zolli stressed that his conversion was for theological reasons, which was certainly true, but the fact that the Pope had worked so hard on behalf of the Jews no doubt played a role in inspiring him to look at the truths of Christianity.

Lapide writes: "When Zolli accepted baptism in 1945 and adopted Pius’s Christian name of Eugene, most Roman Jews were convinced that his conversion was an act of gratitude for wartime succor to Jewish refugees and, repeated denials not withstanding, many are still of his opinion. Thus, Rabbi Barry Dov Schwartz wrote in the summer issue, 1964, of Conservative Judaism: ‘Many Jews were persuaded to convert after the war, as a sign of gratitude, to that institution which had saved their lives.’ "[20]
For a different (uncomplimentary) viewpoint on the conversion of Rabbi Zolli, see the book: A “chief rabbi” of Rome becomes a Catholic;: A study in fright and spite,Hardcover– 1945
by Louis I Newman(Author). Warning: the book is very critical.
 
Unfortunately coming to an understanding of historical events usually requires more than simply proof texting some 90s style website written by some non-scholar layman with an axe to grind. I recommend going to libraries and reading books written by people with PhDs in history and if possible published by university affiliated publishing houses which run peer reviews.
 
Gee a Catholic site telling me the Vatican did no wrong, what a coincidence! I do agree that the Catholic Church as a whole did numerous good deeds, but was it not free from corruption.
The church did not excommunicate Hitler, or declare Germany’s wars of conquest to be unjust, so it’s fair to say they could have done more to get Germany’s 20 million Catholics to stop supporting Hitler.
 
Sorry for the sharp question. I was given this article by a Christian after encouraging him to the faith. I am so busy I have not been able to read it yet. Are any of you able to share any knowledge about its content. Please address the article, as I would like to do with my friend.

This is the link: jesuswouldbefurious.org/Catholic/MoralRelativismCroatianStyle.html
Yes,they were. It was a rough time and they had to play politics like everyone else. But they also were sneaking jews threw the labyrinths. Not as many as they should have but they were being watched closely. Pope PiusXII I think. He’s the first Pope I knew and I was born in 1947. The war was 1942. Google it. It shouldn’t be as hateful as anti-Catholic sites.
May God bring us peace and understanding between our brothers and sisters in other Bible Based religions. Luther was a monk and the church said some of his complaints were valid and we are coming together in unity.
See Adrift to see what I mean
in Christ’s love
tweedlealice
 
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_persecution_of_the_Catholic_Church_in_Germany

By 1940 2700 members of the Clergy had been sent to Dachau, 95% of those were Catholic.
That’s really the despicable and disgusting effect of all this historical revisionism about the CC and Nazi Germany. It spits on the memory of these people. It’s all fun and games for these internet atheists and angry teenagers, to cut and paste something from some internet blog by an anonymous person with no qualifications or accomplishments in the field of history, or to do “scholarship” by pointing to some pictures and saying “hey, look! Teh Nazis!” but they usually don’t stop and think about these folks.
 
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