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John10
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I would believe if there was something you provided to counter what I presented. However you have not. Therefore there is not much more to add.
God Bless you.
God Bless you.
Was the Noah flood real ? Did Noah put all living things in his boat?
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otjm
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The floods which occurred were caused by the melting of the vast glaciers of the great ice age. Glaciers are caused by the depositing of water, in the form of rain or snow or ice in areas which have generally low temperatures sufficient to allow for a buildup and accumulation.
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otjm
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The bible doesn’t say anything about days; as a day only exists after there is a sun, and a planet to revolve in front of it once every 24 hours. It is better translated as “a period of time”.
Or are we going to presume God had a watch on his wrist?
Or are we going to presume God had a watch on his wrist?
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Bradskii
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You must have a different bible to me:The bible doesn’t say anything about days; as a day only exists after there is a sun, and a planet to revolve in front of it once every 24 hours. It is better translated as “a period of time”.
Or are we going to presume God had a watch on his wrist?
And God said: ‘Let there be light.’ And there was light. 4 And God saw the light, that it was good; and God divided the light from the darkness. 5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness He called Night. And there was evening and there was morning, one day.
I don’t think that you need a watch to record tbe passage of one morning and one evening. It doesn’t say: “And at 3:30pm He said 'let the earth bring forth grass…”
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otjm
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Well, when you have a wall of water over 400 feet high, and carrying with it the rock and debris of the dam which was holding the ware back, it is going to rearrange the territory in front of it. That was the result of the Bonneville Flood out of Utah; the Nova clip covers the Missoula Floods.
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TK421
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No, the literal global flood didn’t happen (of course).
It’s possible - and likely - that Our Lord in his human nature as a 1st century Jew believed in a literal global flood but that doesn’t mean he was correct and it shouldn’t alter our contemporary understanding. He also didn’t know calculus or speak Chinese, etc. When the Son was incarnate as a man, he shared with us in all things except sin.
It’s possible - and likely - that Our Lord in his human nature as a 1st century Jew believed in a literal global flood but that doesn’t mean he was correct and it shouldn’t alter our contemporary understanding. He also didn’t know calculus or speak Chinese, etc. When the Son was incarnate as a man, he shared with us in all things except sin.
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otjm
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And you are assuming that the word in Hebrew translates exactly to what we consider a 24 hour period.
If you wish to take Genesis 1 literally (and there is more than one creation story, so you are picking and choosing)the Church allows you to do so. But scripture is not there to teach physics or geology or a host of other sciences. It is there to teach faith; and faith does not require that science be contradicted. The story appears in Hebrew to be in poetic form. I leave it at that.
If you wish to take Genesis 1 literally (and there is more than one creation story, so you are picking and choosing)the Church allows you to do so. But scripture is not there to teach physics or geology or a host of other sciences. It is there to teach faith; and faith does not require that science be contradicted. The story appears in Hebrew to be in poetic form. I leave it at that.
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Bradskii
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You’re preaching to the converted, ot. It’s not me you need to convince. And you might have to explain to others that if a day means something else in Hebrew then likewise does a morning and an evening.
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whatistrue
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Did you see and read the whole exchange? I was responding to a claim that the waters involved were under the earth, and the reply was only within that context.
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whatistrue
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Why would I counter what I don’t care that you believe?
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buffalo
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That is heresy. Jesus on this earth did not lose His divinity and knowledge. What He did gain was the human experience.
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buffalo
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There is? Please explain.
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TMC
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I don’t think this is correct. The Church teaches that Jesus was not omniscient in His human self, which is why Scripture says that He grew in knowledge during His life. He could not have grown in knowledge if He was omniscient.
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Gorgias
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Not sure what the debate is, here: “Genesis chapter 1” is one creation story, and “Genesis chapter 2” is a different one.otjm:
There is? Please explain.
(Cue the dancing bears to trot out the “well, it really is just one story, if you squint hard enough” meme…)
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niceatheist
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The rise in Black Sea waters took years, possibly decades. It is more likely the myths relate to extreme flooding events in the Fertile Crescent
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buffalo
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He gained the perspective of actually living as a human.
Knowledge of Jesus Christ
“For the soul of Christ enjoyed from the very beginning the beatific vision; it was endowed with infused knowledge; and it acquired in the course of time experimental [knowledge]”(http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/08673a.htm).it is almost universally admitted that God infused into Christ’s human intellect a knowledge similar in kind to that of the angels. This is knowledge which is not acquired gradually by experience, but is poured into the soul in one flood.
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/08675a.htm
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Why was this necessary?
As an omniscient being, God already has this knowledge.
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buffalo
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The usual claim is they are contradictory. They are complementary.
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Gorgias
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If they tell different stories – even if they are, in certain respects, not contradictory – then they’re two creation stories. “Complementary” says “they’re the same story, told from different perspectives”. There really are elements of the two narratives that cannot be synchronized. As such, the conclusion that two different narrators / editors are telling two stories really is a reasonable conclusion.
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buffalo
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Gen 1 is written from God’s perspective and tells the order of creation. The second tells the importance of man in His creation.
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