Was The story of Noah real?

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We might be (depending on where you live). But the Andes, Rockies and Himalayas? Sorry, it doesn’t sum up.
 
Don’t you see the absurdity of trying to support the Flood story? Ever mounting unevidenced premises, each one more absurd than the last.

Why is this so important? I cannot sort out why believe every manner of pseudo-scientific nonsense is required to be a Christian.
 
niceatheist said:
We might be (depending on where you live). But the Andes, Rockies and Himalayas? Sorry, it doesn’t sum up.
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How tall was the highest mountain at the time of the flood and where is the empirical evidence to support it?
 
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I cannot sort out why believe every manner of pseudo-scientific nonsense is required to be a Christian.
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It is not. Some people grew up being taught a specific young-earth Protestantism (which fed into Catholicism in some areas). It is difficult to un-learn. And the boat with all the animals makes such a nice story for the kids (as long as you leave out the people outside of the ark, begging for their lives).
 
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niceatheist:
We might be (depending on where you live). But the Andes, Rockies and Himalayas? Sorry, it doesn’t sum up.
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How tall was the highest mountain at the time of the flood and where is the empirical evidence to support it?
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And the magical thinking continues. So now we have to have mountains grow at such accelerated rates that it’s virtually unimaginable just to make the Flood story work.
 
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niceatheist:
I cannot sort out why believe every manner of pseudo-scientific nonsense is required to be a Christian.
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It is not. Some people grew up being taught a specific young-earth Protestantism (which fed into Catholicism in some areas). It is difficult to un-learn. And the boat with all the animals makes such a nice story for the kids (as long as you leave out the people outside of the ark, begging for their lives).
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And the thousands of species on the planet right now that must have had some other method of salvation, because even the ark as described couldn’t hold them all.
 
No. That is not what I’m talking about. Follow the logic. First there were the fountains that flowed like jet columns of water, at supersonic speeds, from beneath the ground. They shot straight up into the outer atmosphere and froze from the cold temperatures of near space. The ice formed instantaneously and fell back to earth. The animals were crushed by the ice. This is a real discovery of a herd of mammoth.
 
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niceatheist:
And the magical thinking continues. So now we have to have mountains grow at such accelerated rates that it’s virtually unimaginable just to make the Flood story work.
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So you don’t know.
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No I do know. The mountains didn’t grow that quickly. Mountain formation takes millions of years, not days, weeks or even years or centuries.

I’m not even sure why you need to go to this much trouble. If God can do anything He wants, and could make a flood of global proportions, then hide evidence, then why bother even creating a veneer of credibility to try to forcefit it into something vaguely resembling science? Why not just call geology a lie. Sure, it’s a kind of Omphalism, but if nothing we observe can be trusted, then just go for broke.
 
Sundiver said:
No. That is not what I’m talking about. Follow the logic. First there were the fountains that flowed like jet columns of water, at supersonic speeds, from beneath the ground. They shot straight up into the outer atmosphere and froze from the cold temperatures of near space. The ice formed instantaneously and fell back to earth. The animals were crushed by the ice. This is a real discovery of a herd of mammoth.
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You do understand this is just plan absurd, right?
 
niceatheist said:
The Church has changed mightily over its two thousand year history. It has hardly gone unscathed from various kinds of controversies, and Rome, at least, has learned the wisdom not to go head to head against science. It has chosen the wiser course of not setting Scripture up against science.
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It never set scripture against science. The Sciences wouldn’t exist as they do without the belief that the world is ordered and knowable, which was a viewpoint primarily spread via Christianity.

I assume you’re referencing Galileo, since that’s the only cudgel people who try to claim the Church was anti-science have in their arsenal. Suffice it to say, that controversy had nothing to do with the science, and everything to do with Galileo. It’s well documented, and you can find a pretty thorough explanation of what happened on the CA website. No one is blameless in that controversy, least of all Galileo.

The Church has changed, that is very true, but it have never bowed to the whims of the ever-changing zeitgeist. It has always, and will always, stand for Truth.

To be clear though, I think you and I agree that the Noah flood was not global. I don’t discount is as a possibility, I just don’t think the evidence we have so far bears it out.
 
There is ongoing archeology to find verification of the bible stories. Another one is the red sea exodus. It does not necessarily have anything to do with faith and morals. But, it does help establish veracity and the reality of the word as historical rather than myth or legend. The historical substance of the bible is a favorite assault of the anti christian and the atheists. Christians and Catholics don’t need the proof because we already believe. However, some might need it for their conversion. Right?
 
niceatheist said:
I’m not even sure why you need to go to this much trouble. If God can do anything He wants, and could make a flood of global proportions, then hide evidence, then why bother even creating a veneer of credibility to try to forcefit it into something vaguely resembling science? Why not just call geology a lie. Sure, it’s a kind of Omphalism, but if nothing we observe can be trusted, then just go for broke.
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You were claiming there is not enough water. We now know there is. In addition, the deep sea trenches are sucking in 4 times the amount we thought before.

Can we put the enough water issue to rest yet?
 
When it comes to the Flood, it isn’t research. It’s hoaxes and farfetched fancy.

Geology wasn’t invented to assault the Bible. If certain literal interpretations of the Bible collapse because of geology, then the problem is with those interpretations.
 
Not if you look at the evidence. You can look at the evidence and come up with your own theories. But, that is true about everything in science.
 
No, there isn’t enough water. There isn’t enough water in the oceans, not enough in the mantle to cover the highest mountains. It would require orders of a magnitude more water than exists today. And why is that a problem for you, since you have decided that God did it anyways. Why try to shrink the mountains, get rid of oceanic trenches and abysses? It seems so unnecessary.
 
Sundiver said:
Not if you look at the evidence. You can look at the evidence and come up with your own theories. But, that is true about everything in science.
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Except the claims your trying to invoke directly run counter to the evidence. Science isn’t about forcefitting your preconceived notions on to reality
 
Sundiver said:
Clearly you have not considered all the facts.
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I have. The problem is that I have only considered the facts. The facts are pretty clear. There isn’t enough water for the story to be literally true. The ark wouldn’t float, and even if it did it couldn’t contain all the animals. There’s no physical evidence for such a flood.
 
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