Was there a point that only God existed?

[rom]

3000 years ago God was not a man on earth. But 2000 years ago, God came down from heaven and became man. That is a real change when you come down from heaven and become a man, whereas before you were not a man.

It was not His divine nature that changed and became a man. What happened was that the human and divine nature were united in the Person of Christ without detriment or change happening to His divine nature. Christ, as God, never changed when He assumed human nature.

 

[STT]

Imaginary time – or mathematical time - has always existed, but not real time.

Real time, as the duration of material beings, exist with material beings. If material beings did not always exist, then real time did not always exist. Real time is an important property of material beings because it is the measure or duration of their existence. This is why when there was ever a moment when no material beings exist, then there was a moment when time was not.

There is only one time.

There will still be need for God if the universe has always existed. An everlasting universe is a universe that is eternally dependent on God.

No.

Creation from eternity means that God’s act of creation takes place in His duration, which is eternity. You need to make a distinction between God’s duration (which is eternity) and the duration of creatures (which is time, I mean real time). Eternity is the duration of an absolutely changeless and necessary being, which God is. Since God is changeless, His duration cannot have a “before” and “after” measurable by time. Time only applies to creatures, which are changeable beings.

Let me ask the question this way: how could the universe exist and exist not at the same point?

 

[STT]

Ask God, simple

Let me ask the question this way: how could the universe exist and exist not at the same point?

 

[rom]

There is only one time.

There is only one real time, and it exists only when material things exist. Any other time is imaginary.

No.

Why not?

Let me ask the question this way: how could the universe exist and exist not at the same point?

It can’t. But what is your point?

 

[Elf01]

Let me ask the question this way: how could the universe exist and exist not at the same point?

How can Schrödinger’s cat be both dead and alive?

Schrödinger's cat - Wikipedia

 

[AlNg]

There is only one time.

I thought that there were at least two times. There is real time, and there is rotated time. Imaginary time was real time, but it has undergone a Wick rotation.

 

[AlNg]

How can Schrödinger’s cat be both dead and alive?

The ensemble interpretation of quantum mechanics resolves the paradox.

 

[Elf01]

The ensemble interpretation of quantum mechanics resolves the paradox.

The early universe would have been small enough for quantum mechanics to apply wouldn’t it?

 

[AlNg]

The early universe would have been small enough for quantum mechanics to apply wouldn’t it?

Yes. However, the question at hand is the correct interpretation of quantum mechanics.

 

[Wesrock]

Roseeurekacross:

Ask God, simple

Let me ask the question this way: how could the universe exist and exist not at the same point?

The universe has never not existed at any time.

But that doesn’t mean it’s been around for infinite time.

 

[tafan2]

One really cannot speak of “before creation”, since before implies time, and time only exists with the universe.

 

[AlNg]

time only exists with the universe.

Please prove that there was no time at all before the creation of the material universe. There was time before the material universe existed. In fact, you had the good angels and you had the bad angels, including Satan, before the existence of the material universe, and they were in a time period. The proof that they were in a time period is that there was a time when the bad angels were not fallen. They fell later on after they were created but before the creation of the material universe.

 

[STT]

Why not?

Because God is needed if the universe has a beginning.

It can’t. But what is your point?

Therefore the universe cannot exist and can exist from God’s perspective.

 

[STT]

The universe has never not existed at any time.

But that doesn’t mean it’s been around for infinite time.

I mean how the universe could exist and exist not at the same point from God’s perspective?

 

[Dovekin]

In the beginning, God created the first and last moments of time, and every time in between.

Einstein identified time and space as two aspects of a single reality, so you can’t have space without time, nor time without space. If angels exist within time, they exist within space.

 

[rom]

Because God is needed if the universe has a beginning.

If God is needed for the universe to begin existing, then with more reason He is needed for the universe to exist forever.

In the same way, if you need to turn on the electric current to illuminate an enclosed, dark room, then you need the same electric current to keep that room perpetually illuminated.

Therefore the universe cannot exist and can exist from God’s perspective.

Do you realize what you just did? You violated the principle of non-contradiction! The universe simply cannot be existent and non-existent at the same instant - from God’s perspective or from anybody’s perspective.

 

[AlNg]

Einstein identified time and space as two aspects of a single reality, so you can’t have space without time, nor time without space.

That is a model of our universe after the Big Bang. . It may not be exactly right before a singularity point such as the Big Bang.

 

[AlNg]

In the same way, if you need to turn on the electric current to illuminate an enclosed, dark room, then you need the same electric current to keep that room perpetually illuminated.

You can illuminate the room with a match or a candle.

 

[STT]

If God is needed for the universe to begin existing, then with more reason He is needed for the universe to exist forever.

That doesn’t follow.

Do you realize what you just did? You violated the principle of non-contradiction! The universe simply cannot be existent and non-existent at the same instant - from God’s perspective or from anybody’s perspective.

No. I wanted to say that the existence of the universe and non-existence of universe from Go’s perspective leads to a contradiction.

 

[rom]

You can illuminate the room with a match or a candle.

Hahaha, that’s true. The point is, you need a source of illumination if you want to keep the room lighted.

No. I wanted to say that the existence of the universe and non-existence of universe from Go’s perspective leads to a contradiction.

Oh OK, we can agree on that.

Hey AINg and STT, it’s been a pleasure exchanging views with you, but I have to quit this thread now because I need to work on my [website.] (https://www.thetheologycorner.com/) I will see you again in other threads maybe next week. Good luck, and God bless!