Washing my hands of the world; I just don't care anymore

[BobCatholic]

Based on both, I imagine.

Can you tell the difference? You didn’t answer that.

And it was not the “who they are” (if it were, the teacher would never have gotten the job in the first place!) but “what they did” - scandal is a sin. And regardless of who you are, that is not allowed.

Also, LGBTQ+ people don’t tend to ‘encourage people to become one’.

Clearly you ignore the Gay Agenda pushing. They do it all the time.

I don’t think I’m using vague language - I do know the difference between those words. I thought that it was clear what I meant.

You didn’t answer my question, on purpose I suppose

 

[Loly_Maria]

It is also assumed that they are living the Catholic lifestyle, and that the children will be able to follow their example in every way, without ever coming into conflict with the teachings of the Catholic Church.

So, this means they have to be living lives of chastity and holiness. Their living arrangements need to be without any taint of sin.

Well, as far as I’m concerned, being a teacher doesn’t have anything to do with being ‘chaste’. Catholic school or not, I don’t believe in discrimination or firing someone for their non-criminal life outside of work.

Can you tell the difference? You didn’t answer that.

And it was not the “who they are” (if it were, the teacher would never have gotten the job in the first place!) but “what they did” - scandal is a sin. And regardless of who you are, that is not allowed.

Yes - I did answer - I said both.

I don’t imagine that the teacher walked into the interview and said “I’m gay”. They found out that he was gay because of his ‘lifestyle’. His non-criminal lifestyle. Regardless of where they’re working - Catholic school or not - I think that personal life is irrelevant, and it should be illegal to fire someone on those grounds.

Clearly you ignore the Gay Agenda pushing. They do it all the time.

I don’t know what you mean by this.

You didn’t answer my question, on purpose I suppose

I don’t know what you mean by this either. I think I answered everything.

You must have missed my answer, on purpose I suppose

 

[Loly_Maria]

Well, as far as I’m concerned, being a teacher doesn’t have anything to do with being ‘chaste’. Catholic school or not, I don’t believe in discrimination or firing someone for their non-criminal life outside of work.

Yes - I did answer - I said both.

I don’t imagine that the teacher walked into the interview and said “I’m gay”. They found out that he was gay because of his ‘lifestyle’. His non-criminal lifestyle. Regardless of where they’re working - Catholic school or not - I think that personal life is irrelevant, and it should be illegal to fire someone on those grounds.

I don’t know what you mean by this.

I don’t know what you mean by this either. I think I answered everything.

You must have missed my answer, on purpose I suppose

 

[Jeanne_S]

Discrimination against LGBTQ+ people.

To answer your questions: possibly, probably not, not if he was still doing it, and yes.

Are heterosexual teachers in Catholic schools asked about their sex lives? Do they get asked every morning if they’ve been masturbating or having sex with their partners? Hopefully not, because it’s nobody else’s business. You can’t fire a teacher for their sexuality, because their sexuality has nothing to do with being a good teacher.

Well,when said teacher makes their sexuality publicly known,and is living contrary to the Catholic teachings,then no it is not discrimination.Said teacher can seek employment in the public sector.It is creating scandal before innocent children,much as a heterosexual teacher,living with his or her lover without benefit of marriage.

 

[Loly_Maria]

Well,when said teacher makes their sexuality publicly known,and is living contrary to the Catholic teachings,then no it is not discrimination.Said teacher can seek employment in the public sector.It is creating scandal before innocent children,much as a heterosexual teacher,living with his or her lover without benefit of marriage.

The Catholic Church shouldn’t be excluded from following the law. It would be considered discrimination if it was any other job.

No ‘innocent children’ are harmed by teachers having sex lives.

 

[Jeanne_S]

The Catholic Church shouldn’t be excluded from following the law. It would be considered discrimination if it was any other job.

No ‘innocent children’ are harmed by teachers having sex lives.

Wrong! Being a Catholic school,they are within their rights to expect their teachers’ to reflect the Catholic.Any teacher not willing to comply can look for work elsewhere.Again,even if it was a heterosexual individual openly living with their boy or girlfriend they too would be creating scandal.It isn’t that difficult to figure out.

 

[Loly_Maria]

Wrong! Being a Catholic school,they are within their rights to expect their teachers’ to reflect the Catholic.Any teacher not willing to comply can look for work elsewhere.Again,even if it was a heterosexual individual openly living with their boy or girlfriend they too would be creating scandal.It isn’t that difficult to figure out.

That might be the law now, but it doesn’t mean that it shouldn’t change. I don’t believe that it should be within their rights to discriminate, and I hope that it changes very soon.

Also, I imagine that they would be a lot more willing to ‘turn a blind eye’ to a heterosexual couple than they would an LGBTQ+ one. But, obviously, nobody here will agree with that.

 

[Jeanne_S]

That might be the law now, but it doesn’t mean that it shouldn’t change. I don’t believe that it should be within their rights to discriminate, and I hope that it changes very soon.

Also, I imagine that they would be a lot more willing to ‘turn a blind eye’ to a heterosexual couple than they would an LGBTQ+ one. But, obviously, nobody here will agree with that.

You don’t state whether you are a Catholic yourself.If not,that explains a lot ,if you are,I suggest you read the Catechism,that will give you a better understanding of your faith.

 

[adrift]

The Catholic Church shouldn’t be excluded from following the law. It would be considered discrimination if it was any other job.

No ‘innocent children’ are harmed by teachers having sex lives.

You are big on discrimination then Catholics shouldn’t be discriminated against by following their faith.

 

[Jeanne_S]

You are big on discrimination then Catholics shouldn’t be discriminated against by following their faith.

Exactly!My neighbor,a Christian,works in a Orthodox Jewish HS. She has to comply with their dress code,which believe me isn’t very stylish,she enjoys her job so she comply so with their rules.

 

[someperson555]

Um who cares if the teacher is gay? Unless hes teaching theology I dont see a problem with it. People should just mind their own business. This is why I refuse to associate with most other Catholics and refuse to take part in all these marches and other self righteous displays. There is a separation of church and state therefore no one should be denied opportunity based on his personal life. Lets be honest most of you want a theocracy and if youd have your way wed be back to the inquisition in a matter of years. When will theocracy supporters realise that unifying church and state DOESN’T WORK.
Although I dislike that girl too who you mentioned. I know her type. Shes probably one of those twice a year catholics. I for one am fed up with hypocrisy from both sides. This is why im beginning to distance myself from both secularism and religion. Both sides are highly dogmatic and fanatical. I dont like either of them trying to force their dogmas down my throat! Both religion and secularism only have a surface difference. Neither are truly objective in their research and both accept or reject facts based on emotions.

On a final note its really funny to see how most Christians have lived a life of iniquity and now that theyre old they adopt this persona of " a morally upright church goer". So when a person like that tries to preach to me about homosexuality I just facepalm.

 

[Jeanne_S]

Um who cares if the teacher is gay? Unless hes teaching theology I dont see a problem with it. People should just mind their own business. This is why I refuse to associate with most other Catholics and refuse to take part in all these marches and other self righteous displays. There is a separation of church and state therefore no one should be denied opportunity based on his personal life. Lets be honest most of you want a theocracy and if youd have your way wed be back to the inquisition in a matter of years. When will theocracy supporters realise that unifying church and state DOESN’T WORK.
Although I dislike that girl too who you mentioned. I know her type. Shes probably one of those twice a year catholics. I for one am fed up with hypocrisy from both sides. This is why im beginning to distance myself from both secularism and religion. Both sides are highly dogmatic and fanatical. I dont like either of them trying to force their dogmas down my throat! Both religion and secularism only have a surface difference. Neither are truly objective in their research and both accept or reject facts based on emotions.

On a final note its really funny to see how most Christians have lived a life of iniquity and now that theyre old they adopt this persona of " a morally upright church goer". So when a person like that tries to preach to me about homosexuality I just facepalm.

Separation of church and state means that the state cannot dictate what religion any one person chooses to practice.which is why we have freedom of religion.Any individual who takes issue with the Catholic faith,Jewish,Muslim,etc,then get a job elsewhere.Good Grief is it really as complicated as some of you make it out to be?

 

[someperson555]

Separation of church and state means that the state cannot dictate what religion any one person chooses to practice.which is why we have freedom of religion.Any individual who takes issue with the Catholic faith,Jewish,Muslim,etc,then get a job elsewhere.Good Grief is it really as complicated as some of you make it out to be?

Dont twist the issue. This is blatant discrimination. No business should have the right to fire someone just because it doesn’t approve of his personal life. I mean what are we some islamic country with sharia law?
Is he advocating gay marriage? Is he making out with his boyfriend in front of the class? No? THEN WHATS THE PROBLEM?

 

[robertmidwest]

An actively gay teacher should still be employed, or else it’s discrimination.

A teacher’s personal life has nothing to do with their ability to do a good job (unless, of course, there are legitimate reasons not to employ, like having committed a serious crime).

It’s a religious organization, they can legally descriminate.

 

[Jeanne_S]

Dont twist the issue. This is blatant discrimination. No business should have the right to fire someone just because it doesn’t approve of his personal life. I mean what are we some islamic country with sharia law?
Is he advocating gay marriage? Is he making out with his boyfriend in front of the class? No? THEN WHATS THE PROBLEM?

Get a Catechism,learn your faith. Finally,The gay community opened this can of worms.
Don’t ask,don’t tell.I agree it is no ones business what people choose to do in the privacy of their own homes.When you bring it to the public attention,forcing your lifestyle on society,then you get what you get.

 

[Zoltan_Cobalt]

No ‘innocent children’ are harmed by teachers having sex lives.

Correction:

No ‘innocent children’ are harmed by teachers having NORMAL sex lives

 

[robertmidwest]

Dont twist the issue. This is blatant discrimination. No business should have the right to fire someone just because it doesn’t approve of his personal life. I mean what are we some islamic country with sharia law?
Is he advocating gay marriage?

Yes he is advocating gay marriage. He is engaged to another fellow and has it on his facebook account.

No, it’s not sharia law. It is a Catholic school. They can legally discriminate on matters of faith.

 

[robertmidwest]

Big question is why did they let him sub to begin with? I think the school admin has to bear the responsibility for this mess.

 

[NovusFidem]

Honestly, when I was going through this (many friends suddenly started to be pro-abortion), I simply removed them from my view. I didn’t break our friendship, I didn’t even tell them I did this; I just blocked their feed from showing on my facebook page.

While face to face one can argue without stepping on toes all the time, on the internet people focus too much on the stupidest details in order to ignore what you said. You try to be as pastoral as you can, but the instant you say “against gay marriage”, you are suddenly the bigoted/mean/prejudiced person. They won’t even bother to remember how well you usually treat all your gay friends…

My suggestion is to just ignore them, for now. We need to keep fighting for what is good, but you also need rest, or else you might become jaded. The way you speak of how you feel already shows how tired you are. Take a few months to rest from internet debates, close off from any “controversial-opinion friend” timeline/news feed, and try to remember that you are doing all this fighting because you love them, and you want them to see the consequences of their decisions.

And don’t ever give up trying to help your brothers and sisters!

 

[Loly_Maria]

The gay community opened this can of worms.
Don’t ask,don’t tell.I agree it is no ones business what people choose to do in the privacy of their own homes.When you bring it to the public attention,forcing your lifestyle on society,then you get what you get.

Yes, the LGBTQ+ community decided that they wanted to stop being oppressed, and ‘opened this can of worms’.

I’ve never known an LGBTQ+ person to force their lifestyle on anyone. Christians, though, do it all the time…

And, I have read the Catechism.