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What a wishy washy speech from the Pope. He was less than forceful on abortion and deviant lifestyles, instead focusing on wealth redistribution and climate change. This is a disappointing speech from the Vicar of Christ. He’s a nice man but he missed a golden opportunity.
By this time next year, most will have forgotten the speech. Americans tend to be very fickle. Just an observation.
 
Repent! Pope Francis lectures America on immigration, abortion, gay marriage and the Syrian refugee crisis in first-ever Capitol Hill address by a sitting pontiff
To me, this seems to sum up how the Mainstream Media, at least parts of it are covering this speech.

We have to remember, He must be cautious and aware of what He is saying and still hope for a big effect.
 
Yes, I’d say it was a speech given in a low tone but I would also look at his actions and the total picture. He did apparently visit the Little Sisters of the Poor, I can directly feel the connection to that because I have humbly done volunteer work for them. And as in the past, he said “Who am I to judge”; and so on. I think he recognizes some limitations on what he is going to say.
Well, there aren’t technically any limitations I can see - he can say whatever he wants to, but you are correct in his actions, that won’t get as much press as his words in this case.

My mother volunteers with the Little Sisters every wednesday, and my elementary school and middle school used to send us over to them as volunteers when we were kids - wonderful people.
 
He didn’t specifically mention abortion but certainly alluded to it. As I mentioned earlier, he talked about the need to value life at all stages of development and then singled out the death penalty as something he would like to see abolished.

I don’t think he specifically mentioned Christ but the entire speech was based on Christ’s teachings.
He alluded to the subject? LOL Im sorry, but the killing of millions and millions deserves a bit more than what was said. MUCH MUCH more important than climate change and the Syrian immigrant crisis imo.

He had the absolute PERFECT opportunity to make it 100% clear how God feels about abortion…?? I hold out hope for the UN speech, but I have a feeling that will be more ‘feel good, be nice, etc’.
 
No. I think that most of us just want the encouragement from the Holy Father that when we are attacked as bigots and fundamentalists for believing that what the Churches as true, that we aren’t doing it in vain, that wr are right to stand forarriage and even as we are the only ones left bothering with it. That the courageous souls saying Rosaries outside Planned Parenthood aren’t deluded quacks, after all.
I believe (obviously do not know), that this situation is similar to the Bread of Life discourse in which the Lord stated many times that we must eat His Body if we desire eternal life. The Lord knew His sayings in that discourse would be difficult even for His Apostles, yet the Lord also knew that the Apostles were formed well enough not to stray from Him. The others did leave the Lord after that discourse because they could not handle the sayings and the Lord let them leave. We have no way of knowing how many of those who left returned to the Lord in fullness of faith, yet the Lord let them leave.

God knows who we are and He knows what we believe and He knows that He can count us to remain right where we are doing what He calls us to do. In other words, we are similar to the Apostles in that we sometimes feel troubled by how the Pope responds to issues we feel are the most important, yet I believe the Pope is counting on us to remain right where we are, doing exactly what we need to do, so that he (the Pope) is free to cast a very wide net in an attempt to bring home billions of lost souls. We must not forget that this Pope has a focus on God’s Mercy, and less on doctrine/dogma, and I think that is because He knows with so many people in such a poor state of formation, God’s Mercy must be the first thing to offer to help entice them back to the Church and to the gift of salvation God offers.

Put simply: I believe the Pope is not out to target those who already have strong faith, he is targeting the massive numbers who have a weak faith, or no faith at all. And, to that group, it is better to use Mercy, than a hammer.

Just my humble two cents. 🙂
 
He alluded to the subject? LOL Im sorry, but the killing of millions and millions deserves a bit more than what was said. MUCH MUCH more important than climate change and the Syrian immigrant crisis imo.

He had the absolute PERFECT opportunity to make it 100% clear how God feels about abortion…?? I hold out hope for the UN speech, but I have a feeling that will be more ‘feel good, be nice, etc’.
We live in trying times–these are times that is testing the faith of many. Yet, God is still in control, and He is working through the Pope for His purposes. What the Pope is sowing today may result in many, many millions of souls returning to the faith and to salvation.

When the prodigal son left, the father never stopped loving him, and he never stopped loving his righteous son. When the son returned, the father rejoiced–while at the time, and through all that time, the father always counted on the righteous son to remain right where he was.

People get a negative reaction to the very sight of VP Biden, yet he too is a child of God and I think the Pope’s mission is to try to bring back millions of prodigal sons and daughters…he does not need to bring back those already in the Church.
 
Reading some of the posts here which express disappointment in the Holy Father’s speech or in it being “washy washy”, while not at all surprising to me to read such commentary here, does nevertheless suggest to me that sadly some may have missed out on this tremendous opportunity we Americans had to hear what this man had to say. This very religious and spiritual man, a man of very good will, who just also happens to lead the Catholic Church on earth.

As I listened to his every word, I heard the whole Catholic faith. He touched on life and the family. But in what it seems to me he clearly has wanted his fellow faithful Catholics to do since early on in his Papacy, he joined those of us not faithful in expanding the dialogue beyond a couple of issues. Beyond focusing to such an extent on merely abortion and marriage to…

Immigrants including those who come north to our borders for a better life. Do not fear the foreigner. Most of us are desendents of foreigners. Do not be taken aback by their numbers. But see their faces. Hear their stories.

His citation of the Golden Rule and the yardstick in which we measure shall we too be measured.

And clearly this Pope, the vicar of Christ on earth according to Catholic belief, believes the death penalty should be abolished. Despite CCC leaving the door open for its use in rare cases, there clearly is no ambiguity as to where this Pope believes Catholics and the world should stand on it.

I took note of his words about politics and legislative activity is always based on care for the people.

His words about people paying taxes and sustaining society.

And of his words that it goes without saying that part of our great effort to give people hope is the creation and the distribution of wealth for the common good.

On climate change his recognition of its human roots and his words “I am convinced that we can make a difference… I am sure.” I heard afterwards that his words 'I am sure" were added by him off text.

The Americans who he referenced as 4 representatives of our nation I thought said a lot…

Lincoln

Martin Luther King Jr

Dorothy Day. A woman some without a Catholic background may not have before heard of. But an inspiring figure on the Catholic left, founder of the Catholic Worker movement and such a staunch advocate for social justice.

And finally Thomas Merton. Actually the one I personally did not know of. But the Pope explained he was “a man of dialogue, a promoter of peace between peoples and religions.”

Chris Matthews, a Catholic and well known cable TV commentator said afterwards that he could think of no one in that chamber who would agree with the speech in its entirety with the exception perhaps of Bob Casey. But what an amazing speech it was to hear.

And finally one of my other favorite moments was outside afterwards when the Holy Father asked for prayers of the masses and said, “If there are any of you that do not believe or cannot pray, I want you to send good wishes my way.”

As a progressive believer, I indeed do pray. But good wishes as well, Pope Francis!
 
As I listened to his every word, I heard the whole Catholic faith. He touched on life and the family. But in what it seems to me he clearly has wanted his fellow faithful Catholics to do since early on in his Papacy, he joined those of us not faithful in expanding the dialogue beyond a couple of issues. Beyond focusing to such an extent on merely abortion and marriage to…
Then you heard only through your liberal political ideology.

It was interesting how he saved the beginning for the end and very telling. He ended with the the need to protect the unborn and the acknowledgement of the attack on the family. He pretty much was saying to not forget the beginning of Genesis with God blessing the family and to be fruitful and multiply. Respecting and treasuring life from it’s conception is the key to everything else.
 
Then you heard only through your liberal political ideology.
Nonsense. I said he spoke the whole faith including life and family. He just spent a lot of time on his other concerns and his wishes for the faith. The strange thing is. While I as a liberal, may disagree with forcing my personal belief about abortion onto all women or disagree on marriage, there was far more in that speech I agreed with the Catholic faith on than not.
 
Reading some of the posts here which express disappointment in the Holy Father’s speech or in it being “washy washy”, while not at all surprising to me to read such commentary here, does nevertheless suggest to me that sadly some may have missed out on this tremendous opportunity we Americans had to hear what this man had to say. This very religious and spiritual man, a man of very good will, who just also happens to lead the Catholic Church on earth.

As I listened to his every word, I heard the whole Catholic faith. He touched on life and the family. But in what it seems to me he clearly has wanted his fellow faithful Catholics to do since early on in his Papacy, he joined those of us not faithful in expanding the dialogue beyond a couple of issues. Beyond focusing to such an extent on merely abortion and marriage to…

Immigrants including those who come north to our borders for a better life. Do not fear the foreigner. Most of us are desendents of foreigners. Do not be taken aback by their numbers. But see their faces. Hear their stories.

His citation of the Golden Rule and the yardstick in which we measure shall we too be measured.

And clearly this Pope, the vicar of Christ on earth according to Catholic belief, believes the death penalty should be abolished. Despite CCC leaving the door open for its use in rare cases, there clearly is no ambiguity as to where this Pope believes Catholics and the world should stand on it.

I took note of his words about politics and legislative activity is always based on care for the people.

His words about people paying taxes and sustaining society.

And of his words that it goes without saying that part of our great effort to give people hope is the creation and the distribution of wealth for the common good.

On climate change his recognition of its human roots and his words “I am convinced that we can make a difference… I am sure.” I heard afterwards that his words 'I am sure" were added by him off text.

The Americans who he referenced as 4 representatives of our nation I thought said a lot…

Lincoln

Martin Luther King Jr

Dorothy Day. A woman some without a Catholic background may not have before heard of. But an inspiring figure on the Catholic left, founder of the Catholic Worker movement and such a staunch advocate for social justice.

And finally Thomas Merton. Actually the one I personally did not know of. But the Pope explained he was “a man of dialogue, a promoter of peace between peoples and religions.”

Chris Matthews, a Catholic and well known cable TV commentator said afterwards that he could think of no one in that chamber who would agree with the speech in its entirety with the exception perhaps of Bob Casey. But what an amazing speech it was to hear.

And finally one of my other favorite moments was outside afterwards when the Holy Father asked for prayers of the masses and said, “If there are any of you that do not believe or cannot pray, I want you to send good wishes my way.”

As a progressive believer, I indeed do pray. But good wishes as well, Pope Francis!
What a wonderful recap. I agree whole heartedly with your synopsis. I am positive that many people are considering Catholicism because of his presence. God bless him and you, too. Now I’ll go back and read the thread instead of starting at the end.
 
His citation of the Golden Rule and the yardstick in which we measure shall we too be measured.
He applied the golden rule to abortion, as well, saying it “also reminds us of our responsibility to protect and defend human life at every stage of its development,”
And finally Thomas Merton. Actually the one I personally did not know of. But the Pope explained he was “a man of dialogue, a promoter of peace between peoples and religions.”
Thomas Merton is definitely someone to read. I would start with his famous Seven Story Mountain, which is his autobiography.
 
I cannot watch the Pope’s speech to congress but I just read the speech. Not once in the speech did I see the name “Jesus Christ”. I also did not see the words “abortion”. Those of you who did watch the speech please tell me that the Pope did reference our Lord Jesus Christ and make at least some comment about the evil of abortion.

Let me guess, the Pope sounded very “Nice”. :rolleyes:

Ran Pleasant
He did mention prolife in the need to abolish the death penalty.
 
I cannot watch the Pope’s speech to congress but I just read the speech. Not once in the speech did I see the name “Jesus Christ”. I also did not see the words “abortion”. Those of you who did watch the speech please tell me that the Pope did reference our Lord Jesus Christ and make at least some comment about the evil of abortion.

Let me guess, the Pope sounded very “Nice”. :rolleyes:

Ran Pleasant
The Pope did mention Pro-Life in that he said all stages of life should be respected.
“protect and defend human life at every stage of its development,”
Wednesday, Pope Francis did indeed mention abortion:
The pontiff did address the “innocent victim of abortion” during a speech on Wednesday to U.S. bishops who had assembled at the Cathedral of St. Matthew the Apostle in Washington, D.C., and he has repeatedly spoken about the issue in the past.
“The innocent victim of abortion, children who die of hunger or from bombings, immigrants who drown in the search for a better tomorrow, the elderly or the sick who are considered a burden, the victims of terrorism, wars, violence and drug trafficking, the environment devastated by man’s predatory relationship with nature – at stake in all of this is the gift of God, of which we are noble stewards but not masters,” Pope Francis told the bishops on Wednesday, according to prepared remarks.
theblaze.com/stories/2015/09/24/pope-francis-said-that-every-life-is-sacred-but-he-left-this-word-out-his-historic-speech-to-congress/

It is conceivable why abortion might not be mention in congress with so much politics on the line but let’s not cherry pick his statements.
 
He applied the golden rule to abortion, as well, saying it “also reminds us of our responsibility to protect and defend human life at every stage of its development,”
Not quite sure why you chose my post for something to reply to unless you were just pointing out the Golden Rule too. So that’s fine. And that must be it as I wouldn’t see why anyone didn’t see that I pointed out the Pope spoke the entirety of the Catholic faith including on life. But I was just watching an EWTN recap. And honestly I would have thought about all they got out of the Pope’s address was what you said here and marriage. There was even a priest on there who was still talking about the virtues of the death penalty after the Pope clearly called for its abolishment. I finally had to turn it off. Bill Donahue was criticizing media coverage and I was sitting there thinking, I don’t see EWTN painting the whole picture either. I couldn’t bear watching another min. But if all anyone got from the Holy Father’s speech was abortion and marriage, I can only say they sure missed out on a whole lot more.
 
What a wonderful recap. I agree whole heartedly with your synopsis. I am positive that many people are considering Catholicism because of his presence. God bless him and you, too. Now I’ll go back and read the thread instead of starting at the end.
Good Tidings, thank you. Yes I am sure this Pope has many considering Catholicism. I even admit that even I. someone who hasn’t been to Mass in 16 mos, had it cross my mind. But then I read and hear and watch others and I see just a couple of issues still being their emphasis and I get discouraged once again and I’m reminded that there will yet be another Pope whose tone is yet to be known. But indeed God bless the only one this world has now. May his Papacy remain a shining, guiding light and he continue to long be the spiritual inspiration that he is for so many of us and for many yrs to come. God bless you too. Joyful and glad reading!
 
The Vatican uniquely addresses the subject of abortion, so perhaps those who are taking such points to task should argue with what the Vatican has said.
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SACRED CONGREGATION FOR THE DOCTRINE OF THE FAITH
DECLARATION ON PROCURED ABORTION
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  1. The problem of procured abortion and of its possible legal liberalization has become more or less everywhere the subject of impassioned discussions. These debates would be less grave were it not a question of human life, a primordial value, which must be protected and promoted. Everyone understands this, although many look for reasons, even against all evidence, to promote the use of abortion. One cannot but be astonished to see a simultaneous increase of unqualified protests against the death penalty and every form of war and the vindication of the liberalization of abortion, either in its entirety or in ever broader indications. The Church is too conscious of the fact that it belongs to her vocation to defend man against everything that could disintegrate or lessen his dignity to remain silent on such a topic. Because the Son of God became man, there is no man who is not His brother in humanity and who is not called to become a Christian in order to receive salvation from Him.
vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_19741118_declaration-abortion_en.html

One’s argument in turn, is then, with the reasoning of the Church, not those who are trying to follow the teaching.

Bringing up such arguments too, one can say, one is making the evil one happy and so on.

This is what the Church says, not some political party in America. That is where your argument lies.
 
Reading some of the posts here which express disappointment in the Holy Father’s speech or in it being “washy washy”, while not at all surprising to me to read such commentary here, does nevertheless suggest to me that sadly some may have missed out on this tremendous opportunity we Americans had to hear what this man had to say. This very religious and spiritual man, a man of very good will, who just also happens to lead the Catholic Church on earth.

As I listened to his every word, I heard the whole Catholic faith. He touched on life and the family. But in what it seems to me he clearly has wanted his fellow faithful Catholics to do since early on in his Papacy, he joined those of us not faithful in expanding the dialogue beyond a couple of issues. Beyond focusing to such an extent on merely abortion and marriage to…

Immigrants including those who come north to our borders for a better life. Do not fear the foreigner. Most of us are desendents of foreigners. Do not be taken aback by their numbers. But see their faces. Hear their stories.

His citation of the Golden Rule and the yardstick in which we measure shall we too be measured.

And clearly this Pope, the vicar of Christ on earth according to Catholic belief, believes the death penalty should be abolished. Despite CCC leaving the door open for its use in rare cases, there clearly is no ambiguity as to where this Pope believes Catholics and the world should stand on it.

I took note of his words about politics and legislative activity is always based on care for the people.

His words about people paying taxes and sustaining society.

And of his words that it goes without saying that part of our great effort to give people hope is the creation and the distribution of wealth for the common good.

On climate change his recognition of its human roots and his words “I am convinced that we can make a difference… I am sure.” I heard afterwards that his words 'I am sure" were added by him off text.

The Americans who he referenced as 4 representatives of our nation I thought said a lot…

Lincoln

Martin Luther King Jr

Dorothy Day. A woman some without a Catholic background may not have before heard of. But an inspiring figure on the Catholic left, founder of the Catholic Worker movement and such a staunch advocate for social justice.

And finally Thomas Merton. Actually the one I personally did not know of. But the Pope explained he was “a man of dialogue, a promoter of peace between peoples and religions.”

Chris Matthews, a Catholic and well known cable TV commentator said afterwards that he could think of no one in that chamber who would agree with the speech in its entirety with the exception perhaps of Bob Casey. But what an amazing speech it was to hear.

And finally one of my other favorite moments was outside afterwards when the Holy Father asked for prayers of the masses and said, “If there are any of you that do not believe or cannot pray, I want you to send good wishes my way.”

As a progressive believer, I indeed do pray. But good wishes as well, Pope Francis!
I agree with the others who have said this is a wonderful recap. I, too, felt that the Pope beautifully captured the entirety of the Catholic faith and I also loved his request to the non-believers to “send good wishes my way.”

Sy, I’ve really enjoyed reading your thoughts on the Pope’s visit these past few days. You have posted so much of what I have been feeling and expressed it better than I could. Thank you.
 
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