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I started to watch the coverage, but then I could no longer continue. The mere sight of people dripping over this man sickens me and fills me with anger.

I wear the notion that Catholics put him in office very ill.
 
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I suppose Hitler felt strongly about his point of view. Should we have sat down with him and tried to find common ground when it came to his disagreement that Jews deserved the right to life, liberty and freedom? How about on the subject of slavery?
Chamberlin tried sitting down with Hitler, was duped into thinking there was going to be peace, and look what he got.
 
I think this is what spoke to me the most during the introduction.
Fr. Jenkins;:
President Obama has come to Notre Dame, though he knows well that we are fully supportive of Church teaching on the sanctity of human life, and we oppose his policies on abortion and embryonic stem cell research.

Others might have avoided this venue for that reason. But President Obama is not someone who stops talking to those who differ with him.

Mr. President: This is a principle we share.

As the Fathers of the Second Vatican Council wrote in their pastoral constitution Gaudium et Spes: “Respect and love ought to be extended also to those who think or act differently than we do in social, political and even religious matters. In fact, the more deeply we come to understand their ways of thinking through such courtesy and love, the more easily will we be able to enter into dialogue with them.”

If we want to extend courtesy, respect and love – and enter into dialogue – then surely we can start by acknowledging what is honorable in others.
 
Father Jenkins in effect gave a campaign speech for the president, heaping much praise on our most pro-abortion president ever, while the bishop of his own diocese, boycotting the ceremonies, was outside at the grotto praying the rosary.
 
Read the speech. Sounds like I’m glad I did; if I’d seen Catholic students applauding those lines about mass murder for “research” or, “hey, let’s have a ‘dialogue’ and ‘common ground’ about killing children,” I would have been sick.

The President, as always, spoke cleverly. It’s hard to remember, at times, that this man opposed the ban on partial-birth abortion and that he enthusiatically supports the annihilation of all “common ground” on the abortion issue via FOCA.

I guess it’s time to leave the ND mess to the bishops and turn back to fighting his SCOTUS nominee.

Joseph Bottum of First Things had a very nice article about this called “At The Gates of Notre Dame.”
I read it too. I didn’t think I could bear to watch the video. I feel heartsick over the attitudes and actions of these seniors. Some Catholic education they received! Notre Dame always touts “educating hearts and minds.” Well, I see a lot of educated minds here, but very few educated hearts. God bless the seniors who decided to protest this. It is an immense shame that so few of them did.

Once upon a time I thought I might return here to teach after finishing my degree. Well, that plan has effectively been put to rest. I know also that I will never send a child of mine to Notre Dame. Why spend the money for an end result like that?

In a way, though, this should come as no surprise. As goes the Church in America, so goes Notre Dame. For too long, solid teaching has been put aside for a false gospel of moral relativism and “anything goes” Catholicism. These students are a reflection of the society that spawned them.

I’m sorry if I sound so bitter. It’s hard not to be when you’ve been so terribly disappointed.
 
Father Jenkins in effect gave a campaign speech for the president, heaping much praise on our most pro-abortion president ever, while the bishop of his own diocese, boycotting the ceremonies, was outside at the grotto praying the rosary.
I called this a scandal on another thread, but was corrected by another Catholic that thinks that’s an overblown statement. I may have felt like that 30 years ago in college, but now I am a pro-life activist so I think differently. People high up on Catholic University campuses should set the very best example and I don’t think Fr. Jenkins did. I think it was scandalous.
 
I’d rather not summarize it, only because I know that people here will be hanging on every little word, but I’m trying to find a transcript or recording of it. I’ll let you know if I find one.

EDIT:
Here’s the transcript for the introduction given by Fr. Jenkins:
wndu.com/localnews/headlines/45259767.html
Wow. Just wow.

This whole situation makes me sick.

I just pray that God brings something good out of this scandal. Like maybe a renewed pro-life movement, or some action from the bishops about how a university much behave in order to call itself Catholic.

Kyrie eleison.

❤️ Love is Patient
 
Wow. Just wow.

This whole situation makes me sick.

I just pray that God brings something good out of this scandal. Like maybe a renewed pro-life movement, or some action from the bishops about how a university much behave in order to call itself Catholic.

Kyrie eleison.

❤️ Love is Patient
I agree that it is a scandal, and I do think the publicity gave the pro-life movement some donations, prayers and press time the very week that a poll shows that 51% of Americans are pro-life according to their own admission. So, actually God will turn this travesty to the good as He always does. Notre Dame is the big loser in this, with Fr. Jenkins at the head of it. Many alumnus have made a reverse pledge, the last I heard they will be out 8 million dollars. I can’t be sure of that, but at least it got people thinking.
 
Originally Posted by Fr. Jenkins;
President Obama has come to Notre Dame, though he knows well that we are fully supportive of Church teaching on the sanctity of human life, and we oppose his policies on abortion and embryonic stem cell research.
Others might have avoided this venue for that reason. But President Obama is not someone who stops talking to those who differ with him.
Mr. President: This is a principle we share.
As the Fathers of the Second Vatican Council wrote in their pastoral constitution Gaudium et Spes: “Respect and love ought to be extended also to those who think or act differently than we do in social, political and even religious matters. In fact, the more deeply we come to understand their ways of thinking through such courtesy and love, the more easily will we be able to enter into dialogue with them.”
If we want to extend courtesy, respect and love – and enter into dialogue – then surely we can start by acknowledging what is honorable in others.
this doesnt speak to me at all

maybe send it to hallmark but not for use in talking about right and wrong

sure everyone can talk about reaching out and “dialogue” and cooperation but at the end of the day abortion is wrong and there is no amount of dialogue that can change it
no matter how much ND or Obama try to make it sound like we are all in it together

again shame on ND and the president

it would be refreshing to see someone take a stand for what they believe in for a change and not back down and not agree to dialogue which goes nowhere

it would be nice to see convictions and STRENGTH in those convictions rather than wishy washy nicenice talk

and this talk of obama “striding” into the the challenge is ridiculous-he brought up the issue sure but he said basically NOTHING in a really nice way

bah!

:mad:
 
I am so upset with the faculty and student population of Notre Dame. That school needs a good housecleaning!

Does the the Bishops have no power to affect change within the administration of Notre Dame?
 
I think this is what spoke to me the most during the introduction.
If we want to extend courtesy, respect and love – and enter into dialogue – then surely we can start by acknowledging what is honorable in others.
Extending courtesy, respect, and love does not call for a bestowing of a *very high *honor on someone. This can be done extremely well without that. Fr. Jenkins was dripping with eagerness to impress Obama, even going so far as to point out some of the attributes they “personally” share. It looks like you share quite a few, Fr. Jenkins, you’re both falling all over yourselves for the sake of popularity and prestige.
 
Jenkins and the CHurch leaders are a far cry from the post Pentecost Apostles. God help us.
 
I guess those Notre Dame students who shouted down the protester in the audience didn’t want a “dialogue” about the abortion issue.:irish1:

Also, I noticed most the mainstream media (MSM) press coverage of this was almost entirely pro-abortion and pro-Obama and for his visit at Notre Dame.

They (like the Associated Press) all use the “anti-abortion” and “pro-choice” terminology; they never interview anyone who can say anything intelligent about being Pro-Life, and the bulk of their new articles focus on one individual who is very supportive of Obama being at Notre Dame to receive his Honorary Doctorate of Laws.

Honestly, Notre Dame University students who either stood or cheered for Obama or shushed or jeered the few lone voices that were speaking out against this outrage against the fundamental Catholic principles of the right to life and the protection of life at the moment of conception, you need to think about how President Obama has used you and Notre Dame University’s prestige to attempt to drive a wedge among Catholics on the issue of abortion and his other pro-death policies, like embryonic stem cell destruction.

What Obama wanted was that his pro-death policies receive legitimation and affirmation in a highly public and publicized manner from Catholic institutions and academics.

Obama got that today by giving the Commencement Address at and receiving his Honorary Doctorate of Laws from Notre Dame University.

Obama wants to gain Catholics’ trust and votes; for Obama, his visit to Notre Dame today was all about getting more Catholic votes to be reelected in 2012.

Now Obama can ask American Catholics what are they complaining about?

Obama can say to American Catholics that he supports abortion policies, stem-cell destruction, and other pro-death political policies, yet the largest and one of the most prestigious Catholic universities in the nation, Notre Dame University, had him speak at their Commencement Ceremony and awarded him an Honorary Doctorate of Laws.

The joke is all on us Catholics and Notre Dame University.

Obama wants to break and tear apart Catholic solidarity (as a Catholic people and voting group) on the Pro-Life issues.
 
I guess those Notre Dame students who shouted down the protester in the audience didn’t want a “dialogue” about the abortion issue.:irish1:

Also, I noticed most the mainstream media (MSM) press coverage of this was almost entirely pro-abortion and pro-Obama and for his visit at Notre Dame.

They (like the Associated Press) all use the “anti-abortion” and “pro-choice” terminology; they never interview anyone who can say anything intelligent about being Pro-Life, and the bulk of their new articles focus on one individual who is very supportive of Obama being at Notre Dame to receive his Honorary Doctorate of Laws.

Honestly, Notre Dame University students who either stood or cheered for Obama or shushed or jeered the few lone voices that were speaking out against this outrage against the fundamental Catholic principles of the right to life and the protection of life at the moment of conception, you need to think about how President Obama has used you and Notre Dame University’s prestige to attempt to drive a wedge among Catholics on the issue of abortion and his other pro-death policies, like embryonic stem cell destruction.

What Obama wanted was that his pro-death policies receive legitimation and affirmation in a highly public and publicized manner from Catholic institutions and academics.

Obama got that today by giving the Commencement Address at and receiving his Honorary Doctorate of Laws from Notre Dame University.

Obama wants to gain Catholics’ trust and votes; for Obama, his visit to Notre Dame today was all about getting more Catholic votes to be reelected in 2012.

Now Obama can ask American Catholics what are they complaining about?

Obama can say to American Catholics that he supports abortion policies, stem-cell destruction, and other pro-death political policies, yet the largest and one of the most prestigious Catholic universities in the nation, Notre Dame University, had him speak at their Commencement Ceremony and awarded him an Honorary Doctorate of Laws.

The joke is all on us Catholics and Notre Dame University.

Obama wants to break and tear apart Catholic solidarity (as a Catholic people and voting group) on the Pro-Life issues.
That’s exactly what this was all about. This had less to do with the actual issue of abortion than it had to do with the attempt to paint a “division” within the Church that is really nonexistent. Way to stand up for moral relativism Fr. Jenkins!
 
Obama got what he wanted. He wanted to be praised in a Catholic universitiy by Catholic priests and Catholic students even while acknowledging his pro-abortion stance. Notre Dame delivered.
 
Obama got what he wanted. He wanted to be praised in a Catholic universitiy by Catholic priests and Catholic students even while acknowledging his pro-abortion stance. Notre Dame delivered.
Yes he did and he was handed it on a silver platter by ND! It definitely was a coup for the administration. The media made the protesters look deranged and the people cheering in the crowd like the Catholic norm. ND has a lot to answer to.
 
Other then the fact is we know that ND is not truly Catholic any longer, are there actual stats on the religious affiliation of the staff and students? What is the Mass attendance weekly of students and staff that say they are catholic? This is information that many people could use when selecting a University for their CATHOLIC kids.
 
Other then the fact is we know that ND is not truly Catholic any longer, are there actual stats on the religious affiliation of the staff and students? What is the Mass attendance weekly of students and staff that say they are catholic? This is information that many people could use when selecting a University for their CATHOLIC kids.
JP the Great in San Diego rocks. It’s a teeny tiny school with at present, degrees in limited areas. I urge all who yearn for a Catholic education to check it out. One of the most impressive faculties I have ever seen–it appears this is truly their VOCATION, not their paycheck or notoriety. The Blessed Sacrament is available for reflection 24-7. Mass five days a week is built into the school day. The commercials televised in California for Props 4 and 8 were produced by the freshmen and sophomores of JP–not bad for a bunch of snotty nosed kids!
 
Other then the fact is we know that ND is not truly Catholic any longer, are there actual stats on the religious affiliation of the staff and students? What is the Mass attendance weekly of students and staff that say they are catholic? This is information that many people could use when selecting a University for their CATHOLIC kids.
I think about 50 percent of the professors are Catholic, many of them only nominally Catholic. Some of the Protestant professors are more conservative than the Catholic ones. I think mass attendance among the students is fairly high simply because mass is so easy to attend at Notre Dame. I understand they have masses everyday in the dorms and there are several masses in the Basilica each day and on Sunday. The staff is probably mostly non-Catholic. The big problem here is the lack of orthodox Catholic presence among the tenured faculty.
 
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