We agree porn is bad, but should it be banned?

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Christendom banned obscenity in the past and was a much better place because of it. What person not completely given over to hedonism could possibly think our time is better? Just because Muslims believe in something doesn’t make it wrong.
 
Sure, the Romans and plenty of other ancient cultures had pornographic art. I think you’d carve out a niche in the law for ancient works displayed in a museum.
Let’s just say that there are examples that you wouldn’t want a middle school on field trip to happen upon by mistake.

I don’t know that art and pornography exist on any kind of a continuum. They are two categories that don’t necessarily have much to do with each other: an artifact could be just one but also both or neither. Depicting the parts of the human body that usualy merit a covering usually requires a proportionate reason, however. Education, such as health or medical education, is one. Art or art history would be another.
 
It depends on what the Nanny State decides is o.k. for us to see.
 
They used to teach something called Civics in school. It taught young people the basics about being good citizens.

Human Dignity requires Human Decency.
 
The problem with a ban is that porn cannot be defined. If we ban Playboy, we’ll also end up banning Michelangelo’s “The Creation of Adam” and brochures illustrating how to perform a breast self-exam.
Yes, it could be defined. Certainly hardcore pornography involving graphic displays of sexual acts could be defined. The driving force in the porn industry does not seem to be pictures of naked bodies, it seems to be hardcore porn that is driving the industry.

Hardcore porn is not harmless. In my opinion, it is corrupting society and robbing children of their innocence. Very young children are accessing the most vile porn. It is evil. Yes, I think it should be banned.
 
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It is “contributing to the deliquency of minors.” In other words, watching porn can lead to wrong behaviors based on learned perceptions. Children may view other human beings, especially adults, in a wrong, distorted way. And grow up with certain wrong ideas and expectations.
 
I think it also results in teenage boys expecting teenage girls to act as objects for their sexual gratification and behave like women in hardcore porn scenes; objectification of women on the extreme.
 
That’s the problem, teenage boys and girls are experiencing a hormone change. Unless taught respect and restraint, some may try to act on what they see in porn, or think it’s somehow normal or average. Avoiding that would be best. I wonder how feminists are responding to this as well. Aside from one attempt to treat porn as a problem for women, it seems the various feminist groups are not taking a position on this or taking any action. A lot of single mothers are very busy trying to support themselves and their child/children.
 
I thought it was already illegal in many states and is only allowed by being labeled “art” or something. Or am I living in the past?
 
I thought it was already illegal in many states and is only allowed by being labeled “art” or something. Or am I living in the past?
Pornography is not illegal (at least, porn depicting consenting adults). Obscenity is not protected by the First Amendment can be curtailed, and while a lot of us would probably consider porn to be obscene, the law doesn’t consider the two to be necessarily synonymous.
 
Lately, I’ve seen “comedians” have certain words ‘bleeped out’ on TV. Now, they’ve gone one step further. Along with the bleep is a rectangle shape over the mouth so lip reading is not possible.
 
Eroticism would be a valid basis on that kind of imagery to be defined.

Exposing one’s body, and exploiting the body parts for pleasure in a way that de-bases human life, is where the problem lies. When we generally use the word of that imagery addressed in this forum, it’s mainly understood from something like Hugh Hefner’s achievement and the like.

The work de-bases human life. I know some men think they appreciate woman’s body, by saying she is “hot.” Or something like that. But that runs along the same contentment of a juice steak. Where it’s flavor and pleasure for one’s own amusement. The woman in that kind of erotic imagery is not seen as a beautiful person which God has made, but for as the pictures demonstrate most often, a sexual explicit photo. And the fact it’s for that amusement, means her body is more important than she is as a person. Thus, it’s usury. She is therefore an object. Not loved, but lusted after. And yes, any imagery wherefore it is the given intent for lustful provocation, would there in-lie eroticism. Most often what is called porn.
 
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But if it’s not obscene, then why can it not be looked at or viewed openly in a public setting like a library, airport, coffee shop, etc.?
 
But if it’s not obscene, then why can it not be looked at or viewed openly in a public setting like a library, airport, coffee shop, etc.?
We’re not talking about the standard common definition of “obscene” here. I’ve tried to get this across like four times. I’m not sure how else to explain it to you.
 
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but because the consequences of enforcing such a law seem to have the potential for enabling insane levels of tyranny
To segway, and then bring it’s relevance to discussion, let me try it this way in a round about answer:

When Benjamin Franklin stepped out of one of the Constitutional Conventions, a woman standing by asked him what sorta government we had. He said a republic if could keep it that way.

The Founding Father’s of our country understood tyranny. Not just from the hands of government, but at the hands of the people as well. A people have to keep our country as a republic, not the government. Hence our checks and balances.

If people pursue to take away laws, and allow for excess of freedoms, like erotic imagery, it doesn’t increase freedom, but lessen’s it. And therefore falls in the hands of the tyranny of the people who really cannot control themselves. And hence why by your demonstration things are bad enough.

I know the laws try to regulate it. But, it’s like saying we regulate bad behavior. How so? By giving people the freedom to do about what they want as long as it is consented by two adults, and it’s mutual. Which is a bit naive. For, without much hindsight, that ignores the demonstration that deludes a man and woman the fact of their personhood and dignity. They are not respected as person’s in those demonstrations, but as objectified bodies for lustful provocation.

It is but a small sad tyranny. To do what you want. And the government says yes, but under these conditions: X,Y,Z. I think this draws on the same lines as assisted suicide. Which murder would otherwise be sanctioned under law of the state.

It’s a tyranny. And by allowing leverage/leeway for it, it s a tyranny of the public, not the government.
 
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Yes banned…I know what else would be nice…prostitution made illegal in all states.
 
I think it also results in teenage boys expecting teenage girls to act as objects for their sexual gratification and behave like women in hardcore porn scenes; objectification of women on the extreme.
I actually read an interesting article a while back where a private school had offered an optional porn literacy class. (It wasn’t what you’re thinking. There weren’t any porn clips in the class.) While it didn’t say to teens “don’t watch porn” it did clear up the unrealistic depictions of sex and also talked about how the porn industry worked. What struck me was at the end of the article a mention on how most of the teens either drastically cut down or stopped watching porn once they learned those unflattering facts, especially about what the actors do. And they did get a more realistic idea as to what sex is actually like. So you definitely have a point, but at least education (even a non-anti-porn kind) can help.
 
The vilest porn is being viewed by children, primarily via the internet, and there seems to be a reluctance to want to make it illegal, or control what is allowed online. When this is suggested, the cries go up from some of “Nanny state!”, “Creeping totalitarianism!”, “Big brother is watching!”, “Erosion of freedom!”, “Don’t interfere with the freedom of the internet”, and the like.

Are we prepared to sacrifice the innocence of children just so some adults can get their kicks watching sordid filth online? Is that ‘freedom’? Is that where we’re at as a society?
 
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