We are all catholic. We are all defective

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Not really. All truth is Christ and eternal life with God through His Son!
The question is not whether or not Christ is the Truth. The question is does your faith tradition communicate that Truth accurately. We believe Christ and therefore believe that the Holy Spirit was indeed sent and continues to guide the Church into all truth.
 
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I believe what he meant is that if a Church or church teaches defective doctrines then those that subscribe to it will be defective in their beliefs
I would concur with your conclusion.
I disagree. If a person belongs to a congregation that is defective in their doctrines, then that person may be mistaken or misled, not defective.
 
The question is not whether or not Christ is the Truth. The question is does your faith tradition communicate that Truth accurately. We believe Christ and therefore believe that the Holy Spirit was indeed sent and continues to guide the Church into all truth.
I completely respect that Steve! I believe, as you do, that my Church communicates truth and the best it possibly can. Are we tainted sometimes with human error? OF COURSE we are and I am happy to be apart of a Church that will claim error where it is found and correct such.
 
I disagree. If a person belongs to a congregation that is defective in their doctrines, then that person may be mistaken or misled, not defective.
If our beliefs are incorrect then they are defective. We are talking about defective doctrines and beliefs, not defective people in some other sense of the word. :rolleyes:
 
If our beliefs are incorrect then they are defective. We are talking about defective doctrines and beliefs, not defective people in some other sense of the word. :rolleyes:
Right.

Saying that a denomination “may suffer defects” is bascially the same as saying that some denominations are defective…yet “may suffer defects” is maybe an attempt at being charitable?
 
But you did not answer my question. If Protestant churches suffer from defeacts, according to the RCC, would not their followers be defective??? :confused:
According to the RCC it would consider its members defect? Care to provide a document from the RCC teaching such a position? Name ONE institution, religious or not,where its members are not defective? How easy people forget Christ left His church for sinners. So what is the issue?
 
According to the RCC it would consider its members defect? Care to provide a document from the RCC teaching such a position? Name ONE institution, religious or not,where its members are not defective? How easy people forget Christ left His church for sinners. So what is the issue?
Nicea325…I enjoy your post. Honestly I do, but where did I state that the RCC considers Catholics defective?
 
I disagree with you saying we are not all “catholic” with a little “c”

His opinion from the choice of words that the Vatican used “may suffer defects” brought him to the that conclusion.

I am not making it about anything. I asked the question that you have yet to answer due to my “twisted logic”…If a denomination or Church is considered to suffer defects…does that make the follower of that faith defective…
No, I do not consider you “catholic” with a little “c.” Reason, your sacurments are no longer valid. This is not because of your schsim with Rome, but the fact that Anglican and Episcopal Holy Orders where changed in the 19th century (let alone the ordination of women in the 20th century). As an aside: the fact that your head Bishop (a woman) stated that Saint Paul was wrong Acts is really concerning.

The only Churches that are “catholic” with a little “c” are Roman Catholic, Eastern Catholic, Eastern Orthodox, and Oriential Orthodox Churches.
 
No, I do not consider you “catholic” with a little “c.” Reason, your sacurments are no longer valid. This is not because of your schsim with Rome, but the fact that Anglican and Episcopal Holy Orders where changed in the 19th century (let alone the ordination of women in the 20th century). As an aside: the fact that your head Bishop (a woman) stated that Saint Paul was wrong Acts is really concerning.

The only Churches that are “catholic” with a little “c” are Roman Catholic, Eastern Catholic, Eastern Orthodox, and Oriential Orthodox Churches.
I value your opinion and thank you for giving it. Of course I disagree with it but I do value it. 🙂
 
Nicea325…I enjoy your post. Honestly I do, but where did I state that the RCC considers Catholics defective?
My apologies, I misunderstood. However, in terms of being defective? I did not read the article,but I am curious what do mean by defective?
 
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No, I do not consider you “catholic” with a little “c.” Reason, your sacurments are no longer valid. This is not because of your schsim with Rome, but the fact that Anglican and Episcopal Holy Orders where changed in the 19th century (let alone the ordination of women in the 20th century). As an aside: the fact that your head Bishop (a woman) stated that Saint Paul was wrong Acts is really concerning.
The only Churches that are “catholic” with a little “c” are Roman Catholic, Eastern Catholic, Eastern Orthodox, and Oriential Orthodox Churches.
I value your opinion and thank you for giving it. Of course I disagree with it but I do value it. 🙂
What do you disagree with? The ordination of women?
 
My apologies, I misunderstood. However, in terms of being defective? I did not read the article,but I am curious what do mean by defective?
lol 👍

in 2007 the Vatican stated that some Protestant denominations may suffer from defects. I agree with that 100%…The argument that is a Protestant denomination suffers from defects then would not the followers of that denomination be defective in their beliefs. I said yes.

I believe we all are defective Christians.
 
What do you disagree with? The ordination of women?
That Anglicans/Episcopalians are not “catholic” and that our orders are invalid which makes our Sacraments invalid as well. His opinion…the CC’s teaching…and I disagree.
 
That Anglicans/Episcopalians are not “catholic” and that our orders are invalid which makes our Sacraments invalid as well. His opinion…the CC’s teaching…and I disagree.
Opinion? History says otherwise and facts are not opinions.Tell me where God authorized female priests in the OT and the NT explicitly allowing female ordination?
 
That Anglicans/Episcopalians are not “catholic” and that our orders are invalid which makes our Sacraments invalid as well. His opinion…the CC’s teaching…and I disagree.
Even if your orders were valid in the 20th century, they would have become invalid once you started ordaining women. If Christ wanted female priests, he would have selected female Apostles.
 
lol 👍

in 2007 the Vatican stated that some Protestant denominations may suffer from defects. I agree with that 100%…The argument that is a Protestant denomination suffers from defects then would not the followers of that denomination be defective in their beliefs. I said yes.

I believe we all are defective Christians.
Well of course no one is perfect and we all lack something one way or another.
 
Even if your orders were valid in the 20th century, they would have become invalid once you started ordaining women. If Christ wanted female priests, he would have selected female Apostles.
And how many of the 12 were at the foot of the cross when Christ died?

:rolleyes:

Shall we not throw rocks? Probably best to agree to disagree 👍
 
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