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Not necessarily. For a number of technical reasons. But certainly any orders which derived from female “bishops” would be invalid.
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Nicea325
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And how does the failure of Apostolic presence at the foot of cross justify female ordination?And how many of the 12 were at the foot of the cross when Christ died?
Shall we not throw rocks? Probably best to agree to disagree
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aidanbradypop
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And how does no mention in the Scriptures against it justify not allowing such to happen?
I bet I already know the answer
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Nicea325
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Oh I see! If it is not written,it makes it correct? Relativism at its best!
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Of course the Women were at the foot of the Cross! Jesus KNEW they would be there and that the men would run in fear. He IS GOD. Jesus knew what was going to happen.And how many of the 12 were at the foot of the cross when Christ died?
Shall we not throw rocks? Probably best to agree to disagree
That’s why he finished training them after His Ascension. That’s why He had the Holy Spirit come to them on the Pentecost, after His Ascension.
For some reason Jesus did not want female priests. I have theories regarding why, but I do not have the mind of God. So, I do not really know why Jesus did not pick His faithful female followers as Apostles. Afterall, the person who believed in Him and loved Him the most was His Mother, Mary.
But, what I do know is that Jesus is God. God is all knowing. Humans have free will, but God knows the future. Before His Crucifixion, Jesus was God. He knew the future. He knew the Catholic Church would not allow female priests based on his selections.
We know he had a reason. We don’t know exactly what his reason was, but he had one. So we follow the example he set.
God Bless.
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aidanbradypop
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Oh…I thought you were going to say Tradition but I was wrong.
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pablope
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Well…let me put it this way…if you were taught 2+2=5…then you would carry this through your whole life as true…2+2=5. You would not know any better…until someone can convince you it is false. You would stick to your belief that 2+2=5 like a leech.
And if the denomination’s teachings came from the rejection of apostolic authority…1 Samuel 15:22-23
22 But Samuel replied:
“Does the Lord delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices
as much as in obeying the Lord?
To obey is better than sacrifice,
and to heed is better than the fat of rams.
23 For rebellion is like the sin of divination,
and arrogance like the evil of idolatry.
Because you have rejected the word of the Lord,
he has rejected you as king.”
And it is for this very reason the Bible says:
Then from 1John 4… Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world……………6 We are from God, and whoever knows God listens to us; but whoever is not from God does not listen to us. This is how we recognize the Spirit[a] of truth and the spirit of falsehood.
And you can see the revelation to Paul to find out what the truth is:
Galatians 2:2 I went in response to a revelation and, meeting privately with those esteemed as leaders, I presented to them the gospel that I preach among the Gentiles. I wanted to be sure I was not running and had not been running my race in vain.
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aidanbradypop
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God’s blessings to you as well Phil
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aidanbradypop
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Hey friend!
I must go move snow (everyday thing in ND lol) but I wanted to point out that as an Episcopalian…I am not against Apostolic Succession but rather authority given to one man. I’m sure many agree that are not Roman Catholic.
Ok must get to work. I will gladly post with you later!
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The practice of ordaining women into the priesthood has grown considerably over the years. Aside from the Orthodox, the other “catholic” churches [Lutheran & Anglican] have ordained many women and the new archbishop of Sweden is a woman.
This is something we should view as God’s Will; can one imagine the wonderful work that these faithful women are providing the Church?
This is something we should view as God’s Will; can one imagine the wonderful work that these faithful women are providing the Church?
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Nicea325
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BINGO! Tradition does not and did not teach Christ had female Apostles who later ordained other women. All of this is based on what? Traditions. Apparently it was not taught before the NT was writen. Christ never mentions it and if He truly found it important to have female Apostles as counterparts to male Apostles, I am sure He would have implemented it.
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God’s will? Openly gay/lesbians being ordained? Relativism has moved in nice and smoothly and many buy into it as being: It is God’s will.
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frobert
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Some people might this is off topic but it but with so many apologies being made it is easy to see how some can conclude that the CC has or had some defects of its own.
List of apologies made by Pope John Paul II
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Pope John Paul II made many apologies. During his long reign as Pope, he apologized to Jews, Galileo, women, people convicted by the Inquisition, Muslims killed by the Crusaders and almost everyone who had allegedly suffered at the hands of the Catholic Church over the years. Even before he became the Pope, he was a prominent editor and supporter of initiatives like the Letter of Reconciliation of the Polish Bishops to the German Bishops from 1965. As Pope, he officially made public apologies for over 100 of these supposed wrongdoings, including:.
On 20 November 2001, from a laptop in the Vatican, Pope John Paul II sent his first e-mail apologizing for the Catholic sex abuse cases, the Church-backed “Stolen Generations” of Aboriginal children in Australia, and to China for the behaviour of Catholic missionaries in colonial times.
List of apologies made by Pope John Paul II
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Pope John Paul II made many apologies. During his long reign as Pope, he apologized to Jews, Galileo, women, people convicted by the Inquisition, Muslims killed by the Crusaders and almost everyone who had allegedly suffered at the hands of the Catholic Church over the years. Even before he became the Pope, he was a prominent editor and supporter of initiatives like the Letter of Reconciliation of the Polish Bishops to the German Bishops from 1965. As Pope, he officially made public apologies for over 100 of these supposed wrongdoings, including:.
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The conquest of Mesoamerica by Spain in the name of the Church
The legal process on the Italian scientist and philosopher Galileo Galilei, himself a devout Catholic, around 1633 (31 October 1992).
Catholics' involvement with the African slave trade (9 August 1993).
The Church's role in burnings at the stake and the religious wars that followed the Protestant Reformation (May 1995, in the Czech Republic).
The injustices committed against women, the violation of women's rights and for the historical denigration of women (10 July 1995, in a letter to "every woman").
The inactivity and silence of many Catholics during the Holocaust (16 March 1998)
For the execution of Jan Hus in 1415 (18 December 1999 in Prague). When John Paul II visited Prague in 1990s, he requested experts in this matter "to define with greater clarity the position held by Jan Hus among the Church's reformers, and acknowledged that "independently of the theological convictions he defended, Hus cannot be denied integrity in his personal life and commitment to the nation's moral education." It was another step in building a bridge between Catholics and Protestants.
For the sins of Catholics throughout the ages for violating "the rights of ethnic groups and peoples, and [for showing] contempt for their cultures and religious traditions". (12 March 2000, during a public Mass of Pardons).
For the actions of the Crusader attack on Constantinople in 1204, though not for the Crusades themselves, as is often claimed. (4 May 2001, to the Patriarch of Constantinople).
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An excuse is worse and more terrible than a lie, for an excuse is a lie guarded.
— Pope John Paul II
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Defects in character do not equate to defects in dogma and doctrine.
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I know you are not suggesting that female priests/ bishops are all Lesbian. Pope Francis is guiding the Church into an acceptance of all God’s children.
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SteveVH
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As to who may be ordained and who may not, it is not a matter of “acceptance of all God’s children”. I cannot be ordained because I am married but I am certainly accepted as a child of God by my Church. And Pope Francis is not teaching anything that has not always been taught by our Church.
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aidanbradypop
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Yeah we are just crazy with or without dogma and doctrine. lol
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frobert
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Agreed
Just that some might think that interpretation of dogma and doctrine might have something to do with some of the decisions that were made that lead to the mistakes made in the past by the CC. For example Jon Has was burned at the stake for heresy against the doctrines of the Catholic Church.
I know that I am confusing the dogma itself with different interpretations of the dogma in different centuries, but shouldn’t interpretations by doctors of the church be consistent throughout the centuries. Thinking about this is just raising too many questions. Nothing is just cut and dry.
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You may be very surprised how this issue plays out in years to come. Francis is laying the groundwork per the guidance of the holy Spirit. The very arguments against female priests did not prevail among many Protestant Christians. The issue of homosexuality is undergoing major transformation both in and outside the Church.
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I doubt it, in your implied sense. But keep us advised. Particularly on examples of Pope Francis in action on these positions. If they are sufficiently subtle, I would likely miss them.
The arguments against female ordination prevailed amongst Catholic Christians, in and out of the RCC.
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