We are not responsible for our sin

[omgriley]

The baby goes to Heaven and parents are saved from more trouble. So why do you bother?

is this a serious question? You’re really questioning the morality of killing a baby?

Killing is wrong because God alone is the Lord and End of life. No one has any right under any circumstances to claim for himself the right to destroy life and circumvent God’s creative action. Just because God has the power to bring about Good from killing, doesn’t make it OK for you to kill anyway.

And the fact that you regard young, innocent human life as “trouble” is very disturbing. There isn’t any way we can continue our conversation.

My friend, I will pray for you. There’s nothing else I can do.

 

[STT]

Everyone capable of independent thought and action is responsible for those thoughts and actions. No one else is going to take resposibility for them, no matter how hard life is. Even if free will is an illusion, you are still your own agent, and it doesn’t absolve you of responsibility.

“Thou hast no right but to do thy will.”

You are a machine if you don’t have free will. This means that your act is the result of what you experience. Therefore you are not responsible for your sin.

 

[STT]

is this a serious question? You’re really questioning the morality of killing a baby?

Killing is wrong because God alone is the Lord and End of life. No one has any right under any circumstances to claim for himself the right to destroy life and circumvent God’s creative action. Just because God has the power to bring about Good from killing, doesn’t make it OK for you to kill anyway.

And the fact that you regard young, innocent human life as “trouble” is very disturbing. There isn’t any way we can continue our conversation.

My friend, I will pray for you. There’s nothing else I can do.

There are tons of reasons which can justify abortion. Parents don’t want him/her (how a baby could have a reasonable life if the parents don’t want him/her). Parents cannot sustain the life of baby. Etc. Moreover Christian justified killing during Crusade.

 

[STT]

If a machine is malfunctioning and causing problems, do you blame something else, or do you fix the machine, knowing that the malfunctioning machine is responsible for the problems?

I try to fix the problem.

 

[JoeT777]

We all are familiar with sin, resistance against it and temptation for performing it. We all as rational agent always decide to avoid sin. I claim that we sin when temptation is so strong that our resistance collapses. Therefore we are not responsible for our sin.

Actually this statement makes little sense; seeming to confuse compulsion with persuasion. I understand the proposition to be stating that we are not culpable for the sins made under any solicitation, persuasion or entreaty of force outside us or found internally as our disordered desire. Pursuing this to its logical conclusion we can then suggest that God is perverse creating men without free will ~ demonstrated by Adam and Eve. Such a conclusion would bring us to the wrongheadedness that the sins of Adam and Eve were without fault due to temptation of Satan for which God was unjust in His condemnation and punishment.

Sin is a voluntary immoral act of word, deed or desire. (St. Augustine). To act is of the will. One wills to move in a direction surrendering to temptation for his own profit or to persevere against temptation. Temptation crosses a line changing to compulsion only when freewill is removed. If sin is committed under the power of persuasion from external or internal pressures, it nevertheless remains the ‘act of the will’ for which we are culpable so long as the act is voluntary as opposed to being involuntary.

JoeT