"We don't believe that anymore"

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My dear friend Leonard…I hope you have been doing well…we are going to have to start keeping in touch again. I will not mention exactly who the DRE is, because I am sure you probably know him and I don’t want to scandalize his reputation for orthodoxy 🙂 But yes…there are plenty of younger people holding on to tradition and learning the Baltimore Catechism…Leonard, to be honest…it is actually amazing the number of younger Catholics and the high number of converts who are choosing to do things such as read the Baltimore Catechism and attend more traditional parishes…it would probably bring a tear to your eye. It is great to hear from you again…please keep in touch…Did you go to the Blue Mass at The Cathedral this past weekend? I couldn’t make it.
brotherhrolf said:
Sonny, I sure as heck hope that the DRE was not one at the parish due north of you!

For most of us who were kids in the 50s and early 60s, we learned our faith via the Baltimore Catechism. It was black and white: Who is God? God is the supreme being who made all things.

At 55, the bedrock of my faith is the Baltimore Catechism. Credo. I believe. And I am glad to see that some of the youngsters on these forums are being homeschooled and taught the Baltimore Catechism.
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dumspirospero said:
Just wondering how many of you all out there have ever been in a discussion or had a question answered by a priest, Bishop, Deacon, or DRE with the response, “That is no longer Catholic belief or doctrine” or “The Catholic Church no longer believes that” or “The Catholic Church no longer teaches that since Vatican II”…This "
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I engaged in a lengthy debate with another DRE at a conference for, of all things, RCIA directors, because she insisted that the Church no longer teaches original sin, it was just a pipe dream of Augustine’s who had a lot of hang-ups, and we now know better, so baptism is just a membership thing and has nothing to do with sin. I kept insisting in the friendliest manner I could muster “it’s in the catechism” and she kept saying, “no, it isn’t” even when other’s present pointed out the chapter and verse to her she wouldn’t budge. this happened 2 yrs ago.
 
That very thing was one of the big reasons for my 10year sojourn in Protestantism. If the Church doesn’t really know what it believes, why bother?
 
while on vacation I went to a Mass in the city that we were visiting, the priest during the homily said that " He was glad that he had finally found a Church that no longer followed the (Baltimore) Catechism" and that life was too short for all of the burdens that it puts upon us. There was another priest as well as a deacon on the alter that day with him. The congregation was very large, each seat was full and no one batted an eye. I should have left but I didn’t, I just sat there very confused and sad, I really hope I misunderstood him but I don’t think so.
 
I hear ya Annie…and the sad part is that these are the people charged with instructing those desiring to become Catholic…they are setting them up for failure from the very beginning…it is very troubling and disheartening…but I never lose faith because of the promise Christ made Peter. 🙂 God Bless, Sonny
puzzleannie said:
I engaged in a lengthy debate with another DRE at a conference for, of all things, RCIA directors, because she insisted that the Church no longer teaches original sin, it was just a pipe dream of Augustine’s who had a lot of hang-ups, and we now know better, so baptism is just a membership thing and has nothing to do with sin. I kept insisting in the friendliest manner I could muster “it’s in the catechism” and she kept saying, “no, it isn’t” even when other’s present pointed out the chapter and verse to her she wouldn’t budge. this happened 2 yrs ago.
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puzzleannie said:
I engaged in a lengthy debate with another DRE at a conference for, of all things, RCIA directors, because she insisted that the Church no longer teaches original sin, it was just a pipe dream of Augustine’s who had a lot of hang-ups, and we now know better, so baptism is just a membership thing and has nothing to do with sin. I kept insisting in the friendliest manner I could muster “it’s in the catechism” and she kept saying, “no, it isn’t” even when other’s present pointed out the chapter and verse to her she wouldn’t budge. this happened 2 yrs ago.
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Dissenters will literally invest anything with authority to nullify binding Church teachings. A week ago I was arguing with a Catholic who said an encyclical not written by a pope (!?) said that condom use was acceptable. When pressed for documentation, she responded with the press rumor that B16 was allowing exceptions for African spouses with AIDS. See that? Press rumor about Church teaching=fact.

Always ask for documentation from teaching poo-pooers. And make sure that documentation comes from the Vatican.
 
Not to sound like a know it all (because I am really REALLY not) but isn’t it a Dogma that cannot be changed while a Doctrine can be? Or am I getting my terminology confused?:confused:

Thanks:)
 
Cardinalsong said:
Not to sound like a know it all (because I am really REALLY not) but isn’t it a Dogma that cannot be changed while a Doctrine can be? Or am I getting my terminology confused?:confused:

Thanks:)
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I think it is dogma and discipline.
 
For those that are teaching Catechism, what text books are you using?
 
Sadly, I have heard comments like this. One DRE I know said she didn’t like EWTN or Mother Angelica because “they were too pre-Vatican II”. I heard one lady say that the Church doesn’t look upon missing Mass for reasons other than sickness as a mortal sin anymore. And another lady, who is heavily involved in religious ed. classes, told my mother that John Paul II was going to do away with Confession, but he died before he could do it. I said “does she know that he went to Confession himself once a week? and he couldn’t have done that even if he tried”.
 
Karen1996 said:
Sadly, I have heard comments like this. One DRE I know said she didn’t like EWTN or Mother Angelica because “they were too pre-Vatican II”. I heard one lady say that the Church doesn’t look upon missing Mass for reasons other than sickness as a mortal sin anymore. And another lady, who is heavily involved in religious ed. classes, told my mother that John Paul II was going to do away with Confession, but he died before he could do it. I said “does she know that he went to Confession himself once a week? and he couldn’t have done that even if he tried”.
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We have a DRE couple at our parish now.
They had been at another parish before this.

That parish had a Religious Education meeting in the MAIN of the church. The lady who is our DRE now volunteered to teach at this parish. She came into the Main and genuflected.
That DRE of that parish yelled to the back of the church, “You don’t have to do that! Jesus is everywhere!”

She walked out and never went back.
I’m glad, she and her husband are WONDERFUL for us!!!
 
netmil(name removed by moderator) said:
For those that are teaching Catechism, what text books are you using?
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The set that I use for Junior High is called “We Are Strong Together.” It’s put out by our Canadian Conference of Catholic Bishops. (It’s beginning to be out of date, though - we had a question recently asking “Who is the current Pope?” with a picture of JPII on it - it’s time to upgrade, I think!)
 
Karen1996 said:
Sadly, I have heard comments like this. One DRE I know said she didn’t like EWTN or Mother Angelica because “they were too pre-Vatican II”. I heard one lady say that the Church doesn’t look upon missing Mass for reasons other than sickness as a mortal sin anymore. And another lady, who is heavily involved in religious ed. classes, told my mother that John Paul II was going to do away with Confession, but he died before he could do it. I said “does she know that he went to Confession himself once a week? and he couldn’t have done that even if he tried”.
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I was told back in the 80’s—that the Church did away with confession to a priest. The person who said this to me–left the Church a few years later.
 
Although I have no conscious memory of the Latin Mass, I do remember when “everything changed” at my parish. That is when I began hearing “we don’t beleive that anymore” about so many things: saying the Rosary, saints, women wearing hats in church, people wearing black to funerals (I realize that a lot of this isn’t doctrine.)

Suffice it to say I have been hearing this for the better part of 40 years. I spent about 10 away from the Church, searching for all that was taken away from me as a small child.

Thank God I finally realized that it never went away–it was just put into a closet, where, for many, many people, it sadly remains.
 
puzzleannie said:
I engaged in a lengthy debate with another DRE at a conference for, of all things, RCIA directors, because she insisted that the Church no longer teaches original sin, … even when other’s present pointed out the chapter and verse to her she wouldn’t budge. this happened 2 yrs ago.
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Now you understand the sig:
Liberalism :A mental disorder** wherein the Illogical becomes completely logical** with no lasting effect on the conscience.
 
I have heard this so many times and the only reason I am actually sort of thankful for it is because when I find it in question, comments like this force me to go look it up… to make sure I’m either right or wrong, either way I want the concrete proof. My last parish had RCIA instructors teaching that birth control and abortion were gray areas in the Church. I think they were happy when the military moved me across the country because their only one to refute them was leaving. It saddened me each year that they’d teach new converts that birth control was ok and abortion was necessary in some instances.

My mother is famous for her “oh, the Church when through Kumbyah years… and now it’s reverting back.” comment. Um… no, the CHURCH never went through Kumbyah yearsh… the PEOPLE that didn’t want to be obedient to the Magesterium had kumbyah years and now their children are realizing the hypocrisy and misunderstanding of those parents teachings that they’re discovering the REAL truth in the Church on their own and teaching their children THAT. At least that’s the way it is for nearly all my friends and myself that have Catholic parents that still try to force birth control on us and wonder why we practice NFP in our marriages.
 
Wow, I guess I’m not the only one who hear’s this. I have a meeting with our priest tomorrow because of this saying and other things. My kids who are in RCIA for confirmation are questioning their instructor over errors she’s teaching. Like you don’t have to attend a Catholic mass on Sunday or telling them there’s only 3 mortal sins and other things. When they question her she says, " We don’t believe that anymore." or “We do things differently here” Argh!! Unfortuneatly, this was said by the priest too during their interviews for confimation with the teacher and priest together.
 
cwcarp said:
Wow, I guess I’m not the only one who hear’s this. I have a meeting with our priest tomorrow because of this saying and other things. My kids who are in RCIA for confirmation are questioning their instructor over errors she’s teaching. Like you don’t have to attend a Catholic mass on Sunday or telling them there’s only 3 mortal sins and other things. When they question her she says, " We don’t believe that anymore." or “We do things differently here” Argh!! Unfortuneatly, this was said by the priest too during their interviews for confimation with the teacher and priest together.
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A code name for make it up as you go, “contemporary Catholicism”.
 
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