We had Mormons at Mass on Sunday!

[dosdog]

It is not a surprise that lds missionaries were at Mass. I don’t think that they wanted to be seen as someone said on this thread. I do believe that they wanted to be polite and accept the invitation to attend.

What this does show however, is that the lds church is no cult. It is not afraid to have its members visit acceptable churches such as the RCC. When my daughter were little, they went to catholic mass with my mother even though I converted to the lds faith at 18 years of age. My exwife didn’t mind either and she was very mormon.

Now my daughters know that I am interested in my old faith again and they don’t seem to care. This shows quite an openness in the mormon faith.

The Mormon Church may be the only Christian church that bans certain family members from weddings
Note to those who are not Mormons: Family members are excluded from Mormon temple weddings if they are not Mormons or if they are “unworthy” Mormons. In other words, if your daughter (or son) is a convert to Mormonism, you will be denied entrance to the temple to see her married. You will wait outside the temple or in a visitor center while she is married. She will be wearing a green apron on top of her wedding dress. The fact that you are her mother or father is irrelevant for this special event. You are considered unworthy. You must hold a Mormon temple recommend. The minimum temple recommend requirements are 10% of your income, active attendance for a year, belief in Joseph Smith as a prophet and abstaining from coffee and tea.

exmormon.org/mormon/mormon382.htm

 

[why_me]

The Mormon Church may be the only Christian church that bans certain family members from weddings
Note to those who are not Mormons: Family members are excluded from Mormon temple weddings if they are not Mormons or if they are “unworthy” Mormons. In other words, if your daughter (or son) is a convert to Mormonism, you will be denied entrance to the temple to see her married. You will wait outside the temple or in a visitor center while she is married. She will be wearing a green apron on top of her wedding dress. The fact that you are her mother or father is irrelevant for this special event. You are considered unworthy. You must hold a Mormon temple recommend. The minimum temple recommend requirements are 10% of your income, active attendance for a year, belief in Joseph Smith as a prophet and abstaining from coffee and tea.

exmormon.org/mormon/mormon382.htm

The temple is considered to be a holy place where one must be worthy to enter. This should be no surprise in this age of unholiness. The temple wedding is a very quick event. Nothing like a catholic wedding. However, if the couple wishes to get married in a lds church all can attend. However, they must then wait a year for a temple wedding. People often bring this fact up that non members are not allowed to view a temple wedding as if this is an injustice. But if you search the internet, you will discover that the lds church has enemies who would love to mock lds temple ceremonies by placing them on youtube etc.

 

[mabowden]

However, if the couple wishes to get married in a lds church all can attend. However, they must then wait a year for a temple wedding.

Just as an education for me, and maybe others, what is the difference between an LDS church and a temple? (Or am I misreading something here?)

 

[Ravyn_Guiliani]

What this does show however, is that the lds church is no cult. It is not afraid to have its members visit acceptable churches such as the RCC.

How does this show they are not a cult?

 

[dosdog]

The temple is considered to be a holy place where one must be worthy to enter. This should be no surprise in this age of unholiness. The temple wedding is a very quick event. Nothing like a catholic wedding. However, if the couple wishes to get married in a lds church all can attend. However, they must then wait a year for a temple wedding. People often bring this fact up that non members are not allowed to view a temple wedding as if this is an injustice. But if you search the internet, you will discover that the lds church has enemies who would love to mock lds temple ceremonies by placing them on youtube etc.

BOOK SUMMARY
Mormonism: A Latter Day Deception is a riveting, at times hilarious, account of how a sincere believer was disabused of his confidence in the Mormon revelation. The author, a Harvard Ph.D., joined the Mormon Church in 1980. A year later, he received a Temple Recommend for the Washington, D.C. temple. He entered the Temple a Mormon, but left it a non-Mormon.

Mormonism: A Latter Day Deception presents a rare detailed eyewitness account of the Mormon Temple ceremonies circa 1981. No other book of which the author is aware presents as starkly authentic an account of these secret ceremonies of Mormonism.

As a Harvard Ph.D. in Political Science, the author was driven by his shocking experience in the Mormon Temple to research the origins of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. He presents tersely and cogently irrefutable evidence of its true character.

From the Washington Temple to the millions of rolls of microfilm in Granite Mountain to Joseph Smith’s masonic rip-off, all is revealed and woven together to reveal the church’s foundation in darkness.
goodmorals.org/mormons/
search.barnesandnoble.com/booksearch/isbninquiry.asp?r=1&ean=159160494X

 

[why_me]

Just as an education for me, and maybe others, what is the difference between an LDS church and a temple? (Or am I misreading something here?)

Everyone can enter a lds church or chapel. But the temple is reserved for the worthy lds members. They are separate buildings. I cannot go to the temple because I am not worthy to go. I know this and it is fine by me. However, the church meetings on sunday I can attend. No problem.

 

[why_me]

How does this show they are not a cult?

Very few cults allow their members such freedom of expression. The idea of a cult is to exercise control over their members. But for mormons, there is no prohibition on attending other churches or in attending other denomination events.

When I was a young catholic boy, it was a sin to enter a protestant church. I wouldn’t dream of doing so.

 

[why_me]

BOOK SUMMARY
Mormonism: A Latter Day Deception is a riveting, at times hilarious, account of how a sincere believer was disabused of his confidence in the Mormon revelation. The author, a Harvard Ph.D., joined the Mormon Church in 1980. A year later, he received a Temple Recommend for the Washington, D.C. temple. He entered the Temple a Mormon, but left it a non-Mormon.

Mormonism: A Latter Day Deception presents a rare detailed eyewitness account of the Mormon Temple ceremonies circa 1981. No other book of which the author is aware presents as starkly authentic an account of these secret ceremonies of Mormonism.

As a Harvard Ph.D. in Political Science, the author was driven by his shocking experience in the Mormon Temple to research the origins of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. He presents tersely and cogently irrefutable evidence of its true character.

From the Washington Temple to the millions of rolls of microfilm in Granite Mountain to Joseph Smith’s masonic rip-off, all is revealed and woven together to reveal the church’s foundation in darkness.
goodmorals.org/mormons/
search.barnesandnoble.com/booksearch/isbninquiry.asp?r=1&ean=159160494X

Exactly. You made my point. I have no idea why others would want to demean another faith’s sacred practices. But such is the world today. Hence, worthly members are permited to attend the temple. However, if they become antimormon, I suppose they are free to demean the religion. But it does say something about their character.

 

[dosdog]

Exactly. You made my point. I have no idea why others would want to demean another faith’s sacred practices. But such is the world today. Hence, worthly members are permited to attend the temple. However, if they become antimormon, I suppose they are free to demean the religion. But it does say something about their character.

Originally Posted by dosdog
To many Jews, “baptized” has a greater emotional reaction because to them — and me — to posthumously baptize a Jew is to rape his soul.
deseretnews.com/dn/print/1,14…037136,00.html

Sep 7, '07, 11:49 am
zerinus
Senior Member

My answer to that is, “too bad”

 

[BartBurk]

The temple is considered to be a holy place where one must be worthy to enter. This should be no surprise in this age of unholiness. The temple wedding is a very quick event. Nothing like a catholic wedding. However, if the couple wishes to get married in a lds church all can attend. However, they must then wait a year for a temple wedding. People often bring this fact up that non members are not allowed to view a temple wedding as if this is an injustice. But if you search the internet, you will discover that the lds church has enemies who would love to mock lds temple ceremonies by placing them on youtube etc.

This can be changed very quickly if the LDS Church wanted to do it. They could have a wedding ceremony for everyone to attend and then have the sealing done in the temple immediately afterwards. In fact in some countries an LDS wedding has to be done this way because the wedding has to be done in public view – I think Great Britain is one of those countries. The LDS Church uses LDS temple weddings as a club to encourage all members of a family to be “temple worthy.” What it in fact does is force many people who don’t believe in Mormonism anymore to lie to get a temple recommend so they can attend their family members wedding. It is also a tremendous club to make sure the members pay their 10% so they can attend the wedding.

 

[Harpazo]

Very few cults allow their members such freedom of expression. The idea of a cult is to exercise control over their members. But for mormons, there is no prohibition on attending other churches or in attending other denomination events.

When I was a young catholic boy, it was a sin to enter a protestant church. I wouldn’t dream of doing so.

Yea, since Mormons allow their followers to drink Coffee or other beverages, and excercise control like that, they’re not a cult at all.

BTW I don’t see the point of going to a Protestant ecclesial community either.

In Pax Christi
Andrew

 

[Ravyn_Guiliani]

BTW I don’t see the point of going to a Protestant ecclesial community either.

In Pax Christi
Andrew

what cannot be done is you cannot take Communion in any other church or community, you can attend and in fact are encouraged to if it is in the ecumenical vein–to share common prayer or to learn about other Christians or to help the community. But it would not fulfill your obligation to go to Mass and should be considered extracurricular.

 

[RebeccaJ]

It is not a surprise that lds missionaries were at Mass. I don’t think that they wanted to be seen as someone said on this thread. I do believe that they wanted to be polite and accept the invitation to attend.

What this does show however, is that the lds church is no cult. It is not afraid to have its members visit acceptable churches such as the RCC. When my daughter were little, they went to catholic mass with my mother even though I converted to the lds faith at 18 years of age. My exwife didn’t mind either and she was very mormon.

Now my daughters know that I am interested in my old faith again and they don’t seem to care. This shows quite an openness in the mormon faith.

I think you misunderstand what the missionaries were doing. They are not given permission to visit churches because the LDS church is open. The LDS believe no church on the planet but themselves are the TRUE church.

The mormon missionaries have one purpose, to baptize people into the mormon church. If they are at a Catholic church, it is only as a means to that end. They have no interest in Catholic teaching, theology, beliefs, nothing. They are not there in some form of believe anything and everything you want, just as long as you baptize someone tomorrow. They are not there because they are questioning their own faith.

For the original poster…the missionaries will use that business card alright. They will be around with a Book of Mormon within a few weeks, and testifying to you the truth of Joseph Smith as a prophet. I’ll bet you a donation to Catholic Answers on that one. They will act like your friend, learn all about your family, and work on them as well. Keep your children locked up!

 

[tundramom]

I think you misunderstand what the missionaries were doing. They are not given permission to visit churches because the LDS church is open. The LDS believe no church on the planet but themselves are the TRUE church.

The mormon missionaries have one purpose, to baptize people into the mormon church. If they are at a Catholic church, it is only as a means to that end. They have no interest in Catholic teaching, theology, beliefs, nothing. They are not there in some form of believe anything and everything you want, just as long as you baptize someone tomorrow. They are not there because they are questioning their own faith.

For the original poster…the missionaries will use that business card alright. They will be around with a Book of Mormon within a few weeks, and testifying to you the truth of Joseph Smith as a prophet. I’ll bet you a donation to Catholic Answers on that one. They will act like your friend, learn all about your family, and work on them as well. Keep your children locked up!

I agree… but being in a catholic church was part of what started my own questioning… and it started out as defending the LDS church until I found that it was all based on shifting sand.

in Christ
Steph

 

[retrovert]

It just struck me…What if two catholics visited a Mormon service. Has anyone actually done it, and if so, how were you received? And by the way what is the Churches teaching on visiting and worshiping at other churches?

 

[Harpazo]

what cannot be done is you cannot take Communion in any other church or community, you can attend and in fact are encouraged to if it is in the ecumenical vein–to share common prayer or to learn about other Christians or to help the community. But it would not fulfill your obligation to go to Mass and should be considered extracurricular.

Oh I know, but I just don’t think it’s edifying anymore. I was Protestant, but God has led me to THE Church. I always feel extremely out of place and as if I’m not where I’m supposed to be upon entering a Protestant ecclesial community.

In Pax Christi
Andrew

 

[zerinus]

It just struck me…What if two catholics visited a Mormon service. Has anyone actually done it, and if so, how were you received? And by the way what is the Churches teaching on visiting and worshiping at other churches?

They would be very cordially welcome. There is an easy way to find out though; try it out yourself!

zerinus

 

[Rbt_Southwell]

They would be very cordially welcome. There is an easy way to find out though; try it out yourself!

zerinus

I tried it twice. Both times I was politely escorted to an anteroom (in the hallway) and given two !] hosts to talk “Jesus” with me. The first time I let them do all the talking (about 40 minutes) and then I excused myself. The second time I asked questions and was escorted out with a promise that the ‘bishop’ would 'personally contact me to clarify any misconceptions about the LDS church." He never did.

This happened in Riverside, California at the Canyon Crest stake and in Arlington (east Riverside) at the stake building off of Magnolia.

I did get the ‘outsider’ tour at the La Jolla ‘temple.’ The movie was the highlight of the day. The neo-Gothic structure was designed by a Catholic architect.

Robert

 

[Lehl]

It just struck me…What if two catholics visited a Mormon service. Has anyone actually done it, and if so, how were you received? And by the way what is the Churches teaching on visiting and worshiping at other churches?

I have Mormon in-laws, so I’ve been to several Mormon services. Usually this was just for special occasions of the extended family…wedding receptions, a baby being blessed, a funeral, SIL going on a mission (that one was the worst since she was going to a predominantly Catholic country.)

As far as as anyone just showing up to a service…I would say that is pretty rare.

Think about it–although the Mormons have a “Visitors Welcome” sign outside of most all their ward houses, WHERE are their service times posted publicly? They aren’t. That’s because WHERE you live dictates where and when you will attend service. It seems when you attend is rotated throughout the year…at least according to my in-laws.

I imagine if you did happen to show up at just the right time for a ward service, you’d be warmly welcomed and taken under someone’s wing. You’ve got to remember that Mormons have a slogan “Every member a missionary.”

You would receive a heckuva lot more attention than you would if you were to show up a new Catholic church or a different Mass time than you usually attend. Since they are mandated to where and when they go–they know EVERYONE. A new face is an opportunity. You would be a rock star.

Since I always showed up with the family, the ward members always assumed I was Mormon by association. Besides, who would have guess the bishop’s daughter-in-law (their equivalent of a pastor) is a CATHOLIC?

But the truth always came out when they would start talking shop with me…such as, “Which ward are you in?” I love to watch the change in expression when I inform them we are Catholic. The bishops’ son–a Catholic CONVERT???



That gets them talking. And hopefully thinking!

 

[Ravyn_Guiliani]

I love to watch the change in expression when I inform them we are Catholic. The bishops’ son–a Catholic CONVERT???



That gets them talking. And hopefully thinking!

or atleast worrying…